So why do people hate OSX here so much?

[davmat787]

Apple fanboy here, but sometimes I like to play both sides of the fence:

http://blog.macsales.com/10146-apple-further-restricts-upgrade-options-on-new-imacs

"For the main 3.5″ SATA hard drive bay in the new 2011 machines, Apple has altered the SATA power connector itself from a standard 4-wire power configuration to a 7-wire configuration. Hard drive temperature control is regulated by a combination of this cable and Apple proprietary firmware on the hard drive itself. From our testing, we’ve found that removing this drive from the system, or even from that bay itself, causes the machine’s hard drive fans to spin at maximum speed and replacing the drive with any non-Apple original drive will result in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test (AHT)."

Now why would Apple do a thing like that?

 

[fantolay]

Apple products aren't overpriced... they are priced fairly considering their usability.

Go ahead and get your fucking ULTRA POWERFUL!!111 WINDOWS SYSTEM FOR HALF THE PRICE WRR!@$!@ YAHHH - I'll give you two months before the system starts running slowly. Then you have to waste time downloading and installing and running software to clean it up. Half the antivirus and firewall programs run in the background and hog memory anyway. Not to mention some of the pro versions of these programs might cost money. Click the wrong link in a google search and your fucked up the asshole with adware and shit.

None of those things happen on Macs. Runs just as fast after two years as it did on day one. That is worth the extra $1k.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Now why would Apple do a thing like that?

From what ive read it has to do with the fan that sits over the hard drive using the extra pins to query temps and adjust accordingly. There have been reports of people using standard hard drives with no issues other than 100% fan speed which there are apps to fix that

 

[HeXen]

Apple products aren't overpriced... they are priced fairly considering their usability.

Go ahead and get your fucking ULTRA POWERFUL!!111 WINDOWS SYSTEM FOR HALF THE PRICE WRR!@$!@ YAHHH - I'll give you two months before the system starts running slowly. Then you have to waste time downloading and installing and running software to clean it up. Half the antivirus and firewall programs run in the background and hog memory anyway. Not to mention some of the pro versions of these programs might cost money. Click the wrong link in a google search and your fucked up the asshole with adware and shit.

None of those things happen on Macs. Runs just as fast after two years as it did on day one. That is worth the extra $1k.

agree. though Apple is not safe from malware either. its always about targeting whats most used.

 

[halik]

Apple fanboy here, but sometimes I like to play both sides of the fence:

http://blog.macsales.com/10146-apple-further-restricts-upgrade-options-on-new-imacs

"For the main 3.5″ SATA hard drive bay in the new 2011 machines, Apple has altered the SATA power connector itself from a standard 4-wire power configuration to a 7-wire configuration. Hard drive temperature control is regulated by a combination of this cable and Apple proprietary firmware on the hard drive itself. From our testing, we’ve found that removing this drive from the system, or even from that bay itself, causes the machine’s hard drive fans to spin at maximum speed and replacing the drive with any non-Apple original drive will result in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test (AHT)."

The old powermac G5 towers had the same issue - if you replace the logic board, the temp thing would get all fucked and run at full speed. You needed to source an apple-only cd that runs a calibration to get he fans to calm the f down.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Apple products aren't overpriced... they are priced fairly considering their usability.

Go ahead and get your fucking ULTRA POWERFUL!!111 WINDOWS SYSTEM FOR HALF THE PRICE WRR!@$!@ YAHHH - I'll give you two months before the system starts running slowly. Then you have to waste time downloading and installing and running software to clean it up. Half the antivirus and firewall programs run in the background and hog memory anyway. Not to mention some of the pro versions of these programs might cost money. Click the wrong link in a google search and your fucked up the asshole with adware and shit.

None of those things happen on Macs. Runs just as fast after two years as it did on day one. That is worth the extra $1k.

Whatever.

 

[caniba]

agree. though Apple is not safe from malware either. its always about targeting whats most used.

Agreed, but Apples days of fantasyland are over. Malware and viruses are already getting into the "safe" OS.

 

[Kaido]

Now why would Apple do a thing like that?

Absolutely love the new Macbook Air. Absolutely hate that the memory is soldered onto the motherboard. You physically cannot upgrade to 8GB of RAM - you are stuck at 4GB max (or 2 gigs if you so choose - bleh!).

Apparently Apple will be hooking OWC & other deals up with the pin system, and not too many people actually upgrade their own iMacs due to the complexity of disassembly, but still...what a crock In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy my Hackintosh...

 

[Kaido]

Agreed, but Apples days of fantasyland are over. Malware and viruses are already getting into the "safe" OS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_virus

The Leap worm is delivered over the iChat instant messaging program as a gzip-compressed tar file called latestpics.tgz. For the worm to take effect, the user must manually invoke it by opening the tar file and then running the disguised executable within.
The executable is disguised with the standard icon of an image file, and claims to show a preview of Apple's next OS. Once it is run, the virus will attempt to infect the system.
For non-"admin" users, it will prompt for the computer's administrator password in order to gain the privilege to edit the system configuration. It doesn't infect applications on disk, but rather when they are loaded, by using a system facility called "apphook". By default, user accounts run as non-admin, unless explicitly logged with the 'admin' login.

http://www.macworld.com/article/138380/2009/01/iworktrojan.html

This new Trojan Horse can be found in pirated copies of Apple’s iWork ‘09 application suite, which has been downloaded over 20,000 times, according to Intego’s numbers.

...

This is not a virus—it cannot spread from one Mac to another on its own. It’s also not a remote exploit; the user must download and install a pirated copy of iWork ‘09 to become infected. To check if you’ve been infected, look in /System/Library/StartupItems for an item named iWorkServices. If it exists, you’ve been infected with this Trojan horse.

Sounds rough man.

 

[Arkaign]

Apple products aren't overpriced... they are priced fairly considering their usability.

Go ahead and get your fucking ULTRA POWERFUL!!111 WINDOWS SYSTEM FOR HALF THE PRICE WRR!@$!@ YAHHH - I'll give you two months before the system starts running slowly. Then you have to waste time downloading and installing and running software to clean it up. Half the antivirus and firewall programs run in the background and hog memory anyway. Not to mention some of the pro versions of these programs might cost money. Click the wrong link in a google search and your fucked up the asshole with adware and shit.

None of those things happen on Macs. Runs just as fast after two years as it did on day one. That is worth the extra $1k.

Maybe if the customer is completely retarded that would be true. I haven't had a performance problem or malware/virus infection in many years, and I don't run regular garbage like Norton or McAfee.

I'll keep my extra $1k and have a better system for it.

Macbook Pro and Macbook Air are almost unquestionably the best in the business though.

 

[Ns1]

Maybe if the customer is completely retarded that would be true. I haven't had a performance problem or malware/virus infection in many years, and I don't run regular garbage like Norton or McAfee.

I'll keep my extra $1k and have a better system for it.

Macbook Pro and Macbook Air are almost unquestionably the best in the business though.

I dropped by my uncle's house the other night and found 3 infected computers.. and I was not surprised.

 

[Kaido]

I dropped by my uncle's house the other night and found 3 infected computers.. and I was not surprised.

The thing that ticked me off is that I got a virus from a fake driver download site on my XP SP3 laptop, the one that looks like a Windows antivirus program. It went through Firefox (with the Adblock plugin and popups disabled!), through Microsoft Security Essentials, and took over the system. Boom.

 

[Arkaign]

I dropped by my uncle's house the other night and found 3 infected computers.. and I was not surprised.

Hahaha, true. I do make a good deal of my income from general people being retarded. It's surprising how many truly competent PC users I come across on a regular basis though during my duties.

I think Macs make sense for a lot of people. I'm not saying that only idiots should buy Macs, but it's definitely a safer path for those without the time, intellect, or interest to follow some common sense while working. For others, it's simply a preference, or they've gotten used to, or are better at operating the Apple OS. Nothing wrong with that.

$ for $, if you are halfway competent, even a hackintosh will run circles around an equally priced Apple desktop.

Notebooks are a different story, as comparing a $600 Dell or HP notebook to a Macbook is apples and oranges, lol. Design, build quality, etc, make a HUGE difference in mobile machines, whereas desktops just sit there out of the way, and the build/design is largely irrelevant during use. How often do I look at or touch my Antec Sonata while I use my computer? Only to put a disc or usb stick in, so pretty damned rarely. How often do I look at or touch the mobile device while I'm using it? Well, pretty much the entire time.

 

[Arkaign]

The thing that ticked me off is that I got a virus from a fake driver download site on my XP SP3 laptop, the one that looks like a Windows antivirus program. It went through Firefox (with the Adblock plugin and popups disabled!), through Microsoft Security Essentials, and took over the system. Boom.

XP is becoming a mofo to support. And fake sites are taking over google search I've had slightly better luck with Bing, but I keep a VM handy in case I need to go outside the comfortable realm in internet searching.

 

[SparkyJJO]

The thing that ticked me off is that I got a virus from a fake driver download site on my XP SP3 laptop, the one that looks like a Windows antivirus program. It went through Firefox (with the Adblock plugin and popups disabled!), through Microsoft Security Essentials, and took over the system. Boom.

Stop running outdated software?

 

[Kaido]

XP is becoming a mofo to support. And fake sites are taking over google search I've had slightly better luck with Bing, but I keep a VM handy in case I need to go outside the comfortable realm in internet searching.

Yeah, I actually like XP better in VMware for Mac than I do on real hardware :awe: Not only is it faster all around (no physical hardware to boot up, and especially fast off an SSD), but you get the advantage of snapshots. I keep a sandbox VM that I can revert just for purposes like that.

The funny thing is, VMware Fusion 3.0 (for Mac) has also been more stable than any of my XP machines - I leave it on 24/7 (work VM & sandbox VM) and they've never crashed on me. I don't know what kind of voodoo potion VMware puts in their software, but I like it :biggrin:

Edit: My only wish is that VMware supported direct hardware mapping like ESXi does - I'd love to pop a GPU into a VM for gaming!

 

[Kaido]

Stop running outdated software?

Still got end of life support until 2014 (and downgrade rights until 2020) :awe: Ain't outdated yet! :biggrin:

 

[Arkaign]

Yeah, I actually like XP better in VMware for Mac than I do on real hardware :awe: Not only is it faster all around (no physical hardware to boot up, and especially fast off an SSD), but you get the advantage of snapshots. I keep a sandbox VM that I can revert just for purposes like that.

The funny thing is, VMware Fusion 3.0 (for Mac) has also been more stable than any of my XP machines - I leave it on 24/7 (work VM & sandbox VM) and they've never crashed on me. I don't know what kind of voodoo potion VMware puts in their software, but I like it :biggrin:

Edit: My only wish is that VMware supported direct hardware mapping like ESXi does - I'd love to pop a GPU into a VM for gaming!

Good stuff. I agree, my only qualm about VMs is wishing for slightly better hardware support. Being able to run decent 3d acceleration and stuff in a VM would be pretty sweet.

 

[Kaido]

Good stuff. I agree, my only qualm about VMs is wishing for slightly better hardware support. Being able to run decent 3d acceleration and stuff in a VM would be pretty sweet.

Yeah, GPU is really my only qualm. On my i7, I can throw a VM 4 cores and 8 gigs of RAM and put the VM files on their own SSD (although for some reason mapping it to bare metal is slower??), but I'm still stuck with integrated graphics. Bleargh.

My hope...my dream...is that Thunderbolt will be mappable within a VM, and that's we'll see some pretty serious external GPU's down the line. I'd love to own a 13" Macbook Air, go to work and dock it to a Quadro for DCC work, then come home and dock it to a Fermi for gaming, and yet have a nice, lightweight laptop to tote around with good battery life. I can see it happening ^_^

 

[Arkaign]

That'd be awesome. And the upcoming Sandy-Bridge-powered MacBook air w/8GB sounds like my ideal notebook.

 

[Kaido]

That'd be awesome. And the upcoming Sandy-Bridge-powered MacBook air w/8GB sounds like my ideal notebook.

I think the new Air is pretty much the perfect portable laptop. The screen is great, the trackpad is awesome (and I hate trackpads with a passion!), it's light, the battery life is good, the SSD is really nice...I have an iPad and really enjoy it, but I pretty much hate surfing the net on it. It's fine for apps, but I'm a typer and I despite typing on the iPad. Drives me bananas! I've used both the Bluetooth and docked keyboards and they're both pretty useless on the couch. A lightweight laptop with built-in SSD, OTOH...now we're talkin' :awe:

Lion seems to be going the way of iOS. I wouldn't be surprised to see touchscreens in coming generations of Mac computers, or maybe even some sort of convertible like the Dell Duo or something. Eh, maybe not on that, that would ruin Apple's aesthetic :biggrin:

 

[alkemyst]

those still running XP usually can afford better but have outdated hardware.

If it's even your third rig, it's time to upgrade.

XP only makes sense in rare situations now.

 

[Kaido]

those still running XP usually can afford better but have outdated hardware.

If it's even your third rig, it's time to upgrade.

XP only makes sense in rare situations now.

I agree, Windows 7 is pretty great. I have no qualms with it, other than it's crappy (network) search function (thank you Launchy and plugin friends!). With the Classic theme on, most of my users hardly notice the transition when I do upgrades at work. Surprisingly smooth & stable, and waaaaay better than OSX at gaming. If I had the cash, I'd do a Macbook Air for everyday use and then a really nice gaming rig for my home theater. And now, back to night classes

 

[Arkaign]

those still running XP usually can afford better but have outdated hardware.

If it's even your third rig, it's time to upgrade.

XP only makes sense in rare situations now.

Yeah I usually see it in business situations where it's needed to keep some old software running for whatever reason. One of our clients has some old fax-to-email software, new version that supports Vista/Win7 is really expensive, so we just left it running on an old XP box with IE/browser/etc removed. It's behind a SonicWall, so it's been problem-free. Another one was to run QuarkXpress 6, a client was in process of upgrading/migrating to Adobe InDesign, but needed to be able to keep using Quark for a while. For whatever reason, it ran like ass in the Windows 7 XP mode, so again, we left it on one of their older gigantic Sony 17" notebooks, which will be decomissioned pretty soon.

Ideally it should primarily be used these days for fixed purpose setups like a POS system that's totally offline. I saw a setup like that at an auto garage the other day, and it made sense to me. If it's working, and security concerns are irrelevant, stretching the $ helps. Oftentimes specialized software like that is hella $$ to replace.

But yes, I agree with your statement, if that wasn't clear

 

[Ns1]

The thing that ticked me off is that I got a virus from a fake driver download site on my XP SP3 laptop, the one that looks like a Windows antivirus program. It went through Firefox (with the Adblock plugin and popups disabled!), through Microsoft Security Essentials, and took over the system. Boom.

that's 2 of the computers LOL

Stop running outdated software?

welcome to the real world?