So who's at fault here? *UPDATED*

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Well...you are on my DNT list too BTW.

I don't really care who you are. You are not listening to reason and you are just trolling in this thread.

Who cares? I wouldn't deal with you anyway or anyone on this thread. If you treat folks like this, there's no way of knowing how a deal can sour and be handled (like thread crapping). We can see how nasty and vindictive it can get though.

This is why AT has a sorry rating online for hardware sales.

Terumo

 

[BigJ]

Once again:

Originally posted by: BigJ
Terumo,

Once again, justify your claim I spread misinformation.
Not only that, prove the fact that me and the rest of the people in this thread are part of some great scheme to scam others out of money. Also that we're clansmen.
Also, prove that heat23, who helps provide and monitor Heatware free of charge, is part of this grand scheme.

If you can't do the above, you shouldn't be welcomed here. The 2nd and 3rd are extremely serious charges leveled against many members in good standing in AT in general, and FS/FT.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: mosco

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: quasarsky
yea i open alot of stuff. i even opend my megaworks sub box. i didnt' feel like open the scanner up. to me that feels like the equivalent of opening up my digital camera.

plus if it didnt' fix it canon would know and not take it back! :-O

Did it have a warranty seal? Most scanners do not.

dude what was the thing u said i could do to fix it?

btw i looked for a warranty seal, there is none. which is besides the point. because the instructions say not to open the scanner, there are no servicable parts inside


and even more besides the point...

I couldn't find ANY screws anywhere on the scanner! :shocked::shocked::shocked:

I don't listen to instruction booklets. In fact I never read them. It may say there are no serviceable parts inside, but trust me there are.

I don't doubt you couldn't find screws. There may not be any and the scanner may use plastic latches all the way around the seam.

You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: mosco
This thread is crazy. It was a neutral rating! If someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience. People shouldn't get upset over a neutral rating.

So you stop shopping at a particular retailer when you get a defective product?

I don't understand the point of that question.


Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.

Well no I'm just saying that if it was me that I would open it. Scanners are not airtight/dust sealed.


You should read the whole thread. The problem is that the neutral rating was posted without even allowing the seller to remedy the situation. It's not his fault that the scanner was damaged during shipping or that a cable came loose or whatever.

The point is that if it happened from retail you wouldn't just sit and stare at the scanner for 45 minutes and then call the manager of the store and start complaining at how they have ignored you and are not fixing the problem.

The neutral was not deserved. It could have reached the point where it was deserved, but quasarsky jumped the gun and posted heatware too quickly.

 

[The Batt?sai]

[/quote]You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.



Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.[/quote]


thats another good reason i did not want to open the scanner up. (same for digital cameras). yeah i don't know why this thread was made. i think Terumo was right, people are just trying to make themselves feel good for no reason.

 

[Rufio]

Originally posted by: Terumo
This is why AT has a sorry rating online for hardware sales.

Terumo

proof?

 

[mosco]

I read the thread. I know when the neutral was given, which is why i said in my post that

if "someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience."

He didn't give him negative feedback. If he had given him negative feedback than I could understand why people were so upset. it was just neutral.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: Terumo

Originally posted by: OdiN
Well...you are on my DNT list too BTW.

I don't really care who you are. You are not listening to reason and you are just trolling in this thread.

Who cares? I wouldn't deal with you anyway or anyone on this thread. If you treat folks like this, there's no way of knowing how a deal can sour and be handled (like thread crapping). We can see how nasty and vindictive it can get though.

This is why AT has a sorry rating online for hardware sales.

Terumo

Where are these ratings you speak of? AT is one of, if not the best forums for trading.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: mosco
You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.

Oh and by the way..I've fixed quite a few scanners in my day. Some have just needed some oil on the track, etc. Others have been cable problems, etc.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: mosco
This thread is crazy. It was a neutral rating! If someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience. People shouldn't get upset over a neutral rating.

You must be in the same boat as quasarsky.

The problem isn't solely the neutral heat, the problem is that neutral heat was left without a fair chance for the seller to fix the situation.

Compare it to having an order messed up at a restaurant, telling a waiter with a handfull of dishes, and before the waiter can even get back to the kitchen, leaving money to pay for the meal and just walking off. Then, going around to all of your friends saying how unhelpful the restaurant was in fixing the sitution and calling the corporate offices to have the situation fixed. Doesn't make sense now, does it?

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.



Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.[/quote]


thats another good reason i did not want to open the scanner up. (same for digital cameras). yeah i don't know why this thread was made. i think Terumo was right, people are just trying to make themselves feel good for no reason.[/quote]

no... people are trying to show you how wrong you were to leave the neutral



just admit it. you WERE WRONG in leaving a neutral so hastily. Terumo has not been right once this entire thread. Everything that was stated by Terumo has been shot down and proved wrong many times.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: quasarsky

You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.



Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.

thats another good reason i did not want to open the scanner up. (same for digital cameras). yeah i don't know why this thread was made. i think Terumo was right, people are just trying to make themselves feel good for no reason.[/quote]

no... people are trying to show you how wrong you were to leave the neutral



just admit it. you WERE WRONG in leaving a neutral so hastily. Terumo has not been right once this entire thread. Everything that was stated by Terumo has been shot down and proved wrong many times.[/quote]

Also add the fact that she keeps pulling things out of her ass and whenever she is asked to prove her statements, she ignores or refuses to explain.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: quasarsky

You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.



Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.

thats another good reason i did not want to open the scanner up. (same for digital cameras). yeah i don't know why this thread was made. i think Terumo was right, people are just trying to make themselves feel good for no reason.[/quote]

no... people are trying to show you how wrong you were to leave the neutral



just admit it. you WERE WRONG in leaving a neutral so hastily. Terumo has not been right once this entire thread. Everything that was stated by Terumo has been shot down and proved wrong many times.[/quote]


and everything you and others have said hasn't been shot down many times as well?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
and everything you and others have said hasn't been shot down many times as well?

Care to show where? And by whom?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: mosco
I read the thread. I know when the neutral was given, which is why i said in my post that

if "someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience."

He didn't give him negative feedback. If he had given him negative feedback than I could understand why people were so upset. it was just neutral.

Okay here's a hypothetical situation so that maybe you will understand.

Say you purchase (from me even) a hard drive.

I (as always) ship on time and pack it in a nice box surrounded by foam, or in a manufacturer approved container.

You get the hard drive and it is dead. Doesn't power up, nothing. You try another power supply/computer to be dilligent about it. It still doesn't work.

You them PM me.

For one I know the drive worked when I shipped it...I test everything. I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles.

You decided to RMA it yourself and I send you the paypal promptly.

What rating would you give me on that situation?

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Once again:

Originally posted by: BigJ
Terumo,

Once again, justify your claim I spread misinformation.
Not only that, prove the fact that me and the rest of the people in this thread are part of some great scheme to scam others out of money. Also that we're clansmen.
Also, prove that heat23, who helps provide and monitor Heatware free of charge, is part of this grand scheme.

If you can't do the above, you shouldn't be welcomed here. The 2nd and 3rd are extremely serious charges leveled against many members in good standing in AT in general, and FS/FT.

You don't denounce it. If you're honorable you wouldn't even participate -- like with thread crapping.

Topic Title So who's at fault here? *UPDATED*

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Date Posted: 01/04/2006 03:49 PM Posted By: BigJ(Diamond Member)

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Originally posted by: TerumoII

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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

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Originally posted by: herbs97
Teruomo is just sticking up for her boyfriend, probibly.

Her ebay user name is chris2002_eb quasarsky's name is chris, coincidence ?
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OH SNAP!

Pwned.
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Spoken like a 12 year-old.

The only thing own3d here are some balls in a sling. I'm just hanging around for the thread lock, or when the other shoe drops.

/butters popcorn....

Terumo
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Then please do respond to the lengthy post above, instead of one section of my response you thought was moot. Please, prove all of us wrong and show us the error of our ways.

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Edited: 01/04/2006 at 03:49 PM by BigJ

Terumo

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: quasarsky

You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.



Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.

thats another good reason i did not want to open the scanner up. (same for digital cameras). yeah i don't know why this thread was made. i think Terumo was right, people are just trying to make themselves feel good for no reason.

no... people are trying to show you how wrong you were to leave the neutral



just admit it. you WERE WRONG in leaving a neutral so hastily. Terumo has not been right once this entire thread. Everything that was stated by Terumo has been shot down and proved wrong many times.[/quote]


and everything you and others have said hasn't been shot down many times as well?
[/quote]

They've only tried to convince you that 45 minutes is not an reasonable time frame to judge whether or not a person should answer a PM. According to the forum rules, you should have given him at least a week, so what they've said has not been shot down.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Terumo

Originally posted by: BigJ
Once again:

Originally posted by: BigJ
Terumo,

Once again, justify your claim I spread misinformation.
Not only that, prove the fact that me and the rest of the people in this thread are part of some great scheme to scam others out of money. Also that we're clansmen.
Also, prove that heat23, who helps provide and monitor Heatware free of charge, is part of this grand scheme.

If you can't do the above, you shouldn't be welcomed here. The 2nd and 3rd are extremely serious charges leveled against many members in good standing in AT in general, and FS/FT.

You don't denounce it. If you're honorable you wouldn't even participate -- like with thread crapping.

Topic Title So who's at fault here? *UPDATED*

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Date Posted: 01/04/2006 03:49 PM Posted By: BigJ(Diamond Member)

quote:

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Originally posted by: TerumoII

quote:

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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

quote:

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Originally posted by: herbs97
Teruomo is just sticking up for her boyfriend, probibly.

Her ebay user name is chris2002_eb quasarsky's name is chris, coincidence ?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



OH SNAP!

Pwned.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Spoken like a 12 year-old.

The only thing own3d here are some balls in a sling. I'm just hanging around for the thread lock, or when the other shoe drops.

/butters popcorn....

Terumo
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Then please do respond to the lengthy post above, instead of one section of my response you thought was moot. Please, prove all of us wrong and show us the error of our ways.

-------------------------
Official member of The Knights Who Say Ni

My Old Rig
E-mail

UnBan Shinerburke
End Moderator Bias



Edited: 01/04/2006 at 03:49 PM by BigJ

Terumo

You're not even making sense anymore. Please stop.

 

[Eeezee]

If you're able to work it out, try to get the heat changed. Talk to the admins and the buyer, hopefully you can work something out.

He's completely in the wrong here and made a very hasty decision. And yes, quasarsky, I've already read your replies. You should have at least waited an additional day or two before jumping in like that.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: mosco
I read the thread. I know when the neutral was given, which is why i said in my post that

if "someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience."

He didn't give him negative feedback. If he had given him negative feedback than I could understand why people were so upset. it was just neutral.

As I keep saying... you rate the trader and the trader alone. The fact that something may be DOA is moot point. The fact that they don't fix their mistakes is not, though. If you find out that someone knowingly sends you dead crap, then it's different, because that makes the person a liar. Like I said, you rate the person. Not the product, not the price, not the company shipping it. The seller is responsible for seeing that it gets to you, but there's obviously no way they can be with the item every step of the way.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: quasarsky

You want him to open up the scanner and try to fix it? Thats a good way to mess up the glass and get dust in the unit. I could understand opening something things, but not a scanner.



Its just a neutral rating... Its not the end of the world. I don't see why this thread had to be made.

thats another good reason i did not want to open the scanner up. (same for digital cameras). yeah i don't know why this thread was made. i think Terumo was right, people are just trying to make themselves feel good for no reason.

no... people are trying to show you how wrong you were to leave the neutral



just admit it. you WERE WRONG in leaving a neutral so hastily. Terumo has not been right once this entire thread. Everything that was stated by Terumo has been shot down and proved wrong many times.[/quote]


and everything you and others have said hasn't been shot down many times as well?
[/quote]

You are correct. The only thing that i've said in this entire thread that has been shot down was the order of events when concerning contacts made. After re-reading your unorganized order of events I retracted my statement. Try to attack me again and i'll shoot that down as well.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: mosco
I read the thread. I know when the neutral was given, which is why i said in my post that

if "someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience."

He didn't give him negative feedback. If he had given him negative feedback than I could understand why people were so upset. it was just neutral.

Okay here's a hypothetical situation so that maybe you will understand.

Say you purchase (from me even) a hard drive.

I (as always) ship on time and pack it in a nice box surrounded by foam, or in a manufacturer approved container.

You get the hard drive and it is dead. Doesn't power up, nothing. You try another power supply/computer to be dilligent about it. It still doesn't work.

You them PM me.

For one I know the drive worked when I shipped it...I test everything. I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles.

You decided to RMA it yourself and I send you the paypal promptly.

What rating would you give me on that situation?

he didnt' give me an option though. he just said
"01/02/2006 05:48 PM From tfinch2


So when did you plan on letting me know? The scanner worked for me. "

and logged off from anandtech.


what were my options? give him a few days to beat around the bush? to tell me to try other stuff i have already tried, like reinstalling the software etc? a different usb port?

whatever.


he knew it was broken once i told him and told me when was i going to tell him. then left anandtech. sure, leaving after he responded that he knew it was broken, thats the same thing as telling me "I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles."

listen to yourself odin. it makes sense this way, ur hypothetical situation, but it doesn't apply to this one.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: mosco
I read the thread. I know when the neutral was given, which is why i said in my post that

if "someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience."

He didn't give him negative feedback. If he had given him negative feedback than I could understand why people were so upset. it was just neutral.

Okay here's a hypothetical situation so that maybe you will understand.

Say you purchase (from me even) a hard drive.

I (as always) ship on time and pack it in a nice box surrounded by foam, or in a manufacturer approved container.

You get the hard drive and it is dead. Doesn't power up, nothing. You try another power supply/computer to be dilligent about it. It still doesn't work.

You them PM me.

For one I know the drive worked when I shipped it...I test everything. I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles.

You decided to RMA it yourself and I send you the paypal promptly.

What rating would you give me on that situation?

he didnt' give me an option though. he just said
"01/02/2006 05:48 PM From tfinch2


So when did you plan on letting me know? The scanner worked for me. "

and logged off from anandtech.


what were my options? give him a few days to beat around the bush? to tell me to try other stuff i have already tried, like reinstalling the software etc? a different usb port?

whatever.


he knew it was broken once i told him and told me when was i going to tell him. then left anandtech. sure, leaving after he responded that he knew it was broken, thats the same thing as telling me "I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles."

listen to yourself odin. it makes sense this way, ur hypothetical situation, but it doesn't apply to this one.

You didn't give him enough time to even give you options like what Odin described.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: mosco
I read the thread. I know when the neutral was given, which is why i said in my post that

if "someone sent me something that didn't work I would be pissed to. I don't care what the person does to fix it, it still isn't a positive experience."

He didn't give him negative feedback. If he had given him negative feedback than I could understand why people were so upset. it was just neutral.

Okay here's a hypothetical situation so that maybe you will understand.

Say you purchase (from me even) a hard drive.

I (as always) ship on time and pack it in a nice box surrounded by foam, or in a manufacturer approved container.

You get the hard drive and it is dead. Doesn't power up, nothing. You try another power supply/computer to be dilligent about it. It still doesn't work.

You them PM me.

For one I know the drive worked when I shipped it...I test everything. I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles.

You decided to RMA it yourself and I send you the paypal promptly.

What rating would you give me on that situation?

he didnt' give me an option though. he just said
"01/02/2006 05:48 PM From tfinch2


So when did you plan on letting me know? The scanner worked for me. "

and logged off from anandtech.


what were my options? give him a few days to beat around the bush? to tell me to try other stuff i have already tried, like reinstalling the software etc? a different usb port?

whatever.


he knew it was broken once i told him and told me when was i going to tell him. then left anandtech. sure, leaving after he responded that he knew it was broken, thats the same thing as telling me "I give you two options. A refund + cost of shipping back to me and you send it back. OR like...$20 off of the price paypaled back if you want to RMA it yourself to cover your troubles."

listen to yourself odin. it makes sense this way, ur hypothetical situation, but it doesn't apply to this one.

You state our entire point in this very post in the part that is bolded. What were your options???? We arent sure since you only gave 45 minutes for a responce when as per the fs/ft forum rules you should give at least 24 hours. I'll even show you the part AGAIN even though it has been posted in here several times.

#7 If said trader does not respond in two working days, email again. Be patient.

#8 If said trader does not respond within one week, contact the Troll Hunters. They are a group of established traders with a lot of experience who work across several forums chasing thieves and other bad traders and helping to resolve trading disputes.

#9 Please do not jump to conclusions until a reasonable amount of time has passed. Two weeks with no response is a sure bet that something is wrong.

#10 Do not make decisions while you are upset. Only post or email us after you have calmed down. This is most important. Making decisions while enraged will not help your cause; it can only hurt it.

 

[The Batt?sai]

i told him it was broken

i knew that he knew it was broken

after knowing all this,

by getting off of anandtech, he showed how helpful he was going to be.

enough said.

i knew that he knew it was broken. he doesn't deserve 2 days or whatever to make it right, because once he knew it was broken he left anandtech.

he rightfully deserves his neutral.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
i told him it was broken

i knew that he knew it was broken

after knowing all this,

by getting off of anandtech, he showed how helpful he was going to be.

enough said.

You really are that dense.

By your same standards, he should've given you a neutral for taking 6 days to contact him.