So whats the deal with Bose?

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
I love Bose. I have an awesome Bose sound system in my car. I do agree though, prices are a little high, but I've received nothing but great quality, so no complaints here.

Evidently you don't know what really good quality sound is.

I have a Bose factory system, and even with a subwoofer it puts out less bass than my 2yr old daughter's voice.
It sounds okay, but to say it it really good, nope.

They key is that he probably doesn't care, and you're not doing him any favors by criticizing his capacity in the realm of audio except perhaps making him feel bad.

Yes, we all know KLH is bargain basement crap compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
Yes, we all know Bose is audibly inferior compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
He's happy. let him be or recommend something better politely, but stop fvcking challenging peoples' abilities.

Compare and contrast and encourage them to try what you might think is better, but stop doing "this," where you resort to pointing out personal flaws so you can be "correct."

Hell, I still don't know why anyone does this. Don't you realize that criticizing someone character or personal abilities will just make the discussion deteriorate into nonsense?

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Ok, i have bose in my video room and I love therr speakers. I have the minature cube speakers(don't know hte actual name as i got them from my dad w/o a box) I ignored their wiring instruction and just made my own moster cables to run the speakers right off my reciver and tehy soudn fine. Now, there bases suck, I ended up replacing the single passive base with two 170w powered KLH basses. not fort the wattage but they have good sound projection, i only run each at roughly half power. I have all the speakers connected to an Onkyo Tx-NR801 that is wonderful, especially because it has the ethernet so i can play my mp3's off my computer in the other room. The speakers get a bad rap but i love them. I have 8 of them in a 7.2 surround. With movies that actually have some good surround like T3 the onkyo does a great job of pushing sound through all the speakers, you really hear cars go by you it is great. as for loss of dialogue clarity that is absolutely false, period. The cubes aren's plastic BTW they are composite wood. I had one go on me cause I had the system cranked up way too loud so i opened it up to se what actually blew so I know for a hones to god fact they are not just plastic cubes.

I can go full volume on my Klipsch RF-3's with almost no distortion. Just clean loud sound. I'm driving them with a Harmon Kardon AVR-500 receiver. I have the RC-3 center, 2 KSB 1.1 rear speakers and a KSW10 sub. For my entire setup I probably spent close to $2k for it. Well worth it though. You can get so much more for the same money as a Bose system costs. It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

My .02. YMMV.

See, we are appearantly different.

You are looking for loud, clean sound, while I am in search of accurate reproduction. They might overlap, but they are two different animals.

I will only say that Klipsch's are very good, bright speakers. I sacrified the power and volume(efficiency 100+dB) of the Klipsch for the neutrality of my Mirages.

For some that means that I bought something worse, but for me, I bought something better for my tastes.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
I love Bose. I have an awesome Bose sound system in my car. I do agree though, prices are a little high, but I've received nothing but great quality, so no complaints here.

Evidently you don't know what really good quality sound is.

I have a Bose factory system, and even with a subwoofer it puts out less bass than my 2yr old daughter's voice.
It sounds okay, but to say it it really good, nope.

They key is that he probably doesn't care, and you're not doing him any favors by criticizing his capacity in the realm of audio except perhaps making him feel bad.

Yes, we all know KLH is bargain basement crap compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
Yes, we all know Bose is audibly inferior compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
He's happy. let him be or recommend something better politely, but stop fvcking challenging peoples abilities.

Compare and contrast and encourage the mto try what you might think is better, but stop doing "this," where you resort to pointing out personal flaws so can be "correct."

Hell, I still don;t know whay anyone does this. Don;t you realize that criticizing someone character or personal abilities will just make the discussion deteriorate into nonsense?

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Ok, i have bose in my video room and I love therr speakers. I have the minature cube speakers(don't know hte actual name as i got them from my dad w/o a box) I ignored their wiring instruction and just made my own moster cables to run the speakers right off my reciver and tehy soudn fine. Now, there bases suck, I ended up replacing the single passive base with two 170w powered KLH basses. not fort the wattage but they have good sound projection, i only run each at roughly half power. I have all the speakers connected to an Onkyo Tx-NR801 that is wonderful, especially because it has the ethernet so i can play my mp3's off my computer in the other room. The speakers get a bad rap but i love them. I have 8 of them in a 7.2 surround. With movies that actually have some good surround like T3 the onkyo does a great job of pushing sound through all the speakers, you really hear cars go by you it is great. as for loss of dialogue clarity that is absolutely false, period. The cubes aren's plastic BTW they are composite wood. I had one go on me cause I had the system cranked up way too loud so i opened it up to se what actually blew so I know for a hones to god fact they are not just plastic cubes.

I can go full volume on my Klipsch RF-3's with almost no distortion. Just clean loud sound. I'm driving them with a Harmon Kardon AVR-500 receiver. I have the RC-3 center, 2 KSB 1.1 rear speakers and a KSW10 sub. For my entire setup I probably spent close to $2k for it. Well worth it though. You can get so much more for the same money as a Bose system costs. It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

My .02. YMMV.

See, we are appearantly different.

You are looking for loud, clean sound, while I am in search of accurate reproduction. They might overlap, but they are two different animals.

I will only say that Klipsch's are very good, bright speakers. I sacrified the power and volume(efficiency 100+dB) of the Klipsch for the neutrality of my Mirages.

For some that means that I bought something worse, but for me, I bought something better for my tastes.

Actually, Klipsches are naturally bright, but they sound accurate when paired with the correct equiptment. Onkyo receivers are also considered bright so they aren't necessarily the best match for Klipsch, but Reference speakers are a perfect match for a warm HK amp.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
I love Bose. I have an awesome Bose sound system in my car. I do agree though, prices are a little high, but I've received nothing but great quality, so no complaints here.

Evidently you don't know what really good quality sound is.

I have a Bose factory system, and even with a subwoofer it puts out less bass than my 2yr old daughter's voice.
It sounds okay, but to say it it really good, nope.

They key is that he probably doesn't care, and you're not doing him any favors by criticizing his capacity in the realm of audio except perhaps making him feel bad.

Yes, we all know KLH is bargain basement crap compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
Yes, we all know Bose is audibly inferior compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
He's happy. let him be or recommend something better politely, but stop fvcking challenging peoples abilities.

Compare and contrast and encourage the mto try what you might think is better, but stop doing "this," where you resort to pointing out personal flaws so can be "correct."

Hell, I still don;t know whay anyone does this. Don;t you realize that criticizing someone character or personal abilities will just make the discussion deteriorate into nonsense?

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Ok, i have bose in my video room and I love therr speakers. I have the minature cube speakers(don't know hte actual name as i got them from my dad w/o a box) I ignored their wiring instruction and just made my own moster cables to run the speakers right off my reciver and tehy soudn fine. Now, there bases suck, I ended up replacing the single passive base with two 170w powered KLH basses. not fort the wattage but they have good sound projection, i only run each at roughly half power. I have all the speakers connected to an Onkyo Tx-NR801 that is wonderful, especially because it has the ethernet so i can play my mp3's off my computer in the other room. The speakers get a bad rap but i love them. I have 8 of them in a 7.2 surround. With movies that actually have some good surround like T3 the onkyo does a great job of pushing sound through all the speakers, you really hear cars go by you it is great. as for loss of dialogue clarity that is absolutely false, period. The cubes aren's plastic BTW they are composite wood. I had one go on me cause I had the system cranked up way too loud so i opened it up to se what actually blew so I know for a hones to god fact they are not just plastic cubes.

I can go full volume on my Klipsch RF-3's with almost no distortion. Just clean loud sound. I'm driving them with a Harmon Kardon AVR-500 receiver. I have the RC-3 center, 2 KSB 1.1 rear speakers and a KSW10 sub. For my entire setup I probably spent close to $2k for it. Well worth it though. You can get so much more for the same money as a Bose system costs. It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

My .02. YMMV.

See, we are appearantly different.

You are looking for loud, clean sound, while I am in search of accurate reproduction. They might overlap, but they are two different animals.

I will only say that Klipsch's are very good, bright speakers. I sacrified the power and volume(efficiency 100+dB) of the Klipsch for the neutrality of my Mirages.

For some that means that I bought something worse, but for me, I bought something better for my tastes.

Actually, Klipsches are naturally bright, but they sound accurate when paired with the correct equiptment. Onkyo receivers are also considered bright so they aren't necessarily the best match for Klipsch, but Reference speakers are a perfect match for a warm HK amp.

Exactly. I was tryign to get an Adcom or an HK PA, but i needed inputs and couldn't afford them anyway.

My point is that consumers are different, just like Bose's customers. We just have varying preferences that range from caring abotu this or that, or nothign at all.

The point is, many people aren;t allowed to resort to personal attack when talkign about one's choice in lifestyle or religion etc, but sh!t like this is allowed, allowing arrogant trolls to flourish

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
I love Bose. I have an awesome Bose sound system in my car. I do agree though, prices are a little high, but I've received nothing but great quality, so no complaints here.

Evidently you don't know what really good quality sound is.

I have a Bose factory system, and even with a subwoofer it puts out less bass than my 2yr old daughter's voice.
It sounds okay, but to say it it really good, nope.

They key is that he probably doesn't care, and you're not doing him any favors by criticizing his capacity in the realm of audio except perhaps making him feel bad.

Yes, we all know KLH is bargain basement crap compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
Yes, we all know Bose is audibly inferior compared to some of the names we are throwing around, but so what?
He's happy. let him be or recommend something better politely, but stop fvcking challenging peoples abilities.

Compare and contrast and encourage the mto try what you might think is better, but stop doing "this," where you resort to pointing out personal flaws so can be "correct."

Hell, I still don;t know whay anyone does this. Don;t you realize that criticizing someone character or personal abilities will just make the discussion deteriorate into nonsense?

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Ok, i have bose in my video room and I love therr speakers. I have the minature cube speakers(don't know hte actual name as i got them from my dad w/o a box) I ignored their wiring instruction and just made my own moster cables to run the speakers right off my reciver and tehy soudn fine. Now, there bases suck, I ended up replacing the single passive base with two 170w powered KLH basses. not fort the wattage but they have good sound projection, i only run each at roughly half power. I have all the speakers connected to an Onkyo Tx-NR801 that is wonderful, especially because it has the ethernet so i can play my mp3's off my computer in the other room. The speakers get a bad rap but i love them. I have 8 of them in a 7.2 surround. With movies that actually have some good surround like T3 the onkyo does a great job of pushing sound through all the speakers, you really hear cars go by you it is great. as for loss of dialogue clarity that is absolutely false, period. The cubes aren's plastic BTW they are composite wood. I had one go on me cause I had the system cranked up way too loud so i opened it up to se what actually blew so I know for a hones to god fact they are not just plastic cubes.

I can go full volume on my Klipsch RF-3's with almost no distortion. Just clean loud sound. I'm driving them with a Harmon Kardon AVR-500 receiver. I have the RC-3 center, 2 KSB 1.1 rear speakers and a KSW10 sub. For my entire setup I probably spent close to $2k for it. Well worth it though. You can get so much more for the same money as a Bose system costs. It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

My .02. YMMV.

See, we are appearantly different.

You are looking for loud, clean sound, while I am in search of accurate reproduction. They might overlap, but they are two different animals.

I will only say that Klipsch's are very good, bright speakers. I sacrified the power and volume(efficiency 100+dB) of the Klipsch for the neutrality of my Mirages.

For some that means that I bought something worse, but for me, I bought something better for my tastes.

Yes, the Klipsch speakers are bright at first. Maybe even a tad harsh at loud volumes but I think it really does an excellent job of reproducing sound accurately. I almost never listen to them anywhere near full volume. That said, I know quite a bit more about audio now than I did when I bought them so I will probably demo some other speakers next time I am in the market for new speakers. I will give the Klipsch a listen though.

I think the HK receiver might be contributing to the slightly bright sound also but when I listened to it I thought it had the most bang for the buck over the other receivers in its price range. I absolutely hated the clown colored remote the Denon had so I didn't even consider it.

I'll probably replace my receiver in the next couple years and I've heard good things about the Denon AVR-3805. I'll have to see how it sounds with my RF-3's.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Also, if you ask the DIEHARD audiophiles that sue Vacum-tube this and analog that, they will most liekly tell you that a 2 speaker system is best, and they might be right; unfortunately, the 2-channel systems they speak of are incredibly expensive, and finding source material that consistently takes advantage of it is an ordeal.

As for the more reasonable yet still enthusiastic crowd, from experience, I have heard nothing but praise for 2.1 systems using bookshelves. Assuming that you get highquality bookshelves, of course, and a nice sub, you can achieve absolutely beautiful and accurate sound reproduction. The only reason I perchased floostanders was because they were the best speakers that I could afford, and good bookshelves were a lot more.

Basically, good booksehelves on stands and a nice sub resutls in an auible paradise.

ex :

Keff

B&W Nautilus with stand (flagship)

B&W CM with stand

B&W DM (value)

Basically, all of these have necessary driver size and are still quite small. Also, regarding an issue you brought up, its not that good sounding smaller speakers cannot be made, but rather that you cannot accurately reproduce the audible spectrum with anything smaller using the current coil designs.

Planars and even Pioneer with their diode system have shown that using different technologies, you can achieve some pretty interesting sizes, for better or for worse. In the case of Bose and other manufacuers of miniture speaker systems, most of them still use conventional speaker designs (paper cone with coil) while compensating with computer-based manipulation to make the sound enjoyable.

I've got those exact B&W DM speakers.

They sound awesome except the slightly larger B&Ws sound better but cost a lot more.

Please don't buy Bose. Their speakers are total crap. Open up the grill on one of them and you'll notice their woofers are made of paper. If you want paper woofers, go to Radio Shack and buy a pair of Optimus speakers for a lot less.

 

[flot]

Originally posted by: Skiguy411
Stopped in to a bose store the other day and listened to their little home theatre presentation and I thought they sounded pretty good.

Why do alot of people hate them?

They are the AOL of audio equipment.

People who don't know what they are talking about praise bose as being the best products ever. Then they pay a fortune for mediocre quality gear, and then insist on telling all their friends how great it is.

I believe the no highs, no lows comment came from the early 80s (?) where bose was primarily known for things like the 101/301/901 series that were arrays of midrange drivers. Then they went full circle with their nonsense cube systems, which put out a respectable bit of muddy bass from the subwoofer module, and then all the highs you could ever want from their 2" "full range" cubes, with little in between.

SOME bose products are okay - but IMO few are okay for the price.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Also, if you ask the DIEHARD audiophiles that sue Vacum-tube this and analog that, they will most liekly tell you that a 2 speaker system is best, and they might be right; unfortunately, the 2-channel systems they speak of are incredibly expensive, and finding source material that consistently takes advantage of it is an ordeal.

As for the more reasonable yet still enthusiastic crowd, from experience, I have heard nothing but praise for 2.1 systems using bookshelves. Assuming that you get highquality bookshelves, of course, and a nice sub, you can achieve absolutely beautiful and accurate sound reproduction. The only reason I perchased floostanders was because they were the best speakers that I could afford, and good bookshelves were a lot more.

Basically, good booksehelves on stands and a nice sub resutls in an auible paradise.

ex :

Keff

B&W Nautilus with stand (flagship)

B&W CM with stand

B&W DM (value)

Basically, all of these have necessary driver size and are still quite small. Also, regarding an issue you brought up, its not that good sounding smaller speakers cannot be made, but rather that you cannot accurately reproduce the audible spectrum with anything smaller using the current coil designs.

Planars and even Pioneer with their diode system have shown that using different technologies, you can achieve some pretty interesting sizes, for better or for worse. In the case of Bose and other manufacuers of miniture speaker systems, most of them still use conventional speaker designs (paper cone with coil) while compensating with computer-based manipulation to make the sound enjoyable.

I've got those exact B&W DM speakers.

They sound awesome except the slightly larger B&Ws sound better but cost a lot more.

Please don't buy Bose. Their speakers are total crap. Open up the grill on one of them and you'll notice their woofers are made of paper. If you want paper woofers, go to Radio Shack and buy a pair of Optimus speakers for a lot less.

You lucky bastard. DM's are my dream budget speakers....

 

[HardcoreRobot]

more opinions here

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...amp;keyword1=acoustics

i love bumping old threads, too bad that one is offlimits

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Every HTIB you can get for 500 bucks at BB or CC is much better than any Bose HT setup.

to use your quote...

Evidently you don't know what really good quality sound is.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Taejin
I hate people like that, and by extension, I hate companies like that. I cannot believe you, BOZACK, swagger into this thread and attempt to defend Bose, trying to justify their idiotic prices by telling us that a few hundred to a thousand more dollars justify "pretty", "small form factor" and "comfort". What Bose is doing is wrong, and they deserve to be ruined for hoodwinking hard working Americans of their money with an inferior product.

You are wrong Bozack, period. Your arguments are inherently flawed, and you are doing nothing but playing Devil's Advocate.

if you could comprehend that which was written you wouldn't be spewing this garbage....I never tried to defend bose in the least, e read my first post and get back to me...and good luck ruining them

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Taejin
I hate people like that, and by extension, I hate companies like that. I cannot believe you, BOZACK, swagger into this thread and attempt to defend Bose, trying to justify their idiotic prices by telling us that a few hundred to a thousand more dollars justify "pretty", "small form factor" and "comfort". What Bose is doing is wrong, and they deserve to be ruined for hoodwinking hard working Americans of their money with an inferior product.

You are wrong Bozack, period. Your arguments are inherently flawed, and you are doing nothing but playing Devil's Advocate.

if you could comprehend that which was written you wouldn't be spewing this garbage....I never tried to defend bose in the least, e read my first post and get back to me...and good luck ruining them

reportedly there is a loss of dialogue quality from the acoustimass systems however I have demoed more than a few and have yet to notice especially when compared to similar systems.

...

Bose does not post specs for their products and this pisses audiophiles off to no end....it is just one more slap in the face to the audiophile community as everyone knows they love specs and since Bose doesn't play ball it annoys them.

That's at least a passive defense. You claim that you can't tell the difference, but your post track record shows you can't tell a legitimate comparison from a jack russel terrier.

And are you seriously arguing that Bose doesn't post their specs just to piss off audiophiles? Surely you jest. They don't post their specs because the power and distortion % would be embarassing.

Yeah, I'm done with this thread.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: apac

That's at least a passive defense. You claim that you can't tell the difference, but your post track record shows you can't tell a legitimate comparison from a jack russel terrier.

And are you seriously arguing that Bose doesn't post their specs just to piss off audiophiles? Surely you jest. They don't post their specs because the power and distortion % would be embarassing.

Yeah, I'm done with this thread.

So my personal first hand experience in that I demoed, in many cases direct comparison Acoustimass to other similar systems...the two most recently were the Polk mini sats and the Mirage Omnisats and found little difference in sound is a passive defense?? please..your just pissed because I am not saying what you want to hear plain and simple and I love the cheap shot with the dog remark...the sad thing is that you are much like many audiophiles in your pompous, arrogant, and self ritcheous attitude...you cannot comprehend the FACT that sound can be subjective and while some will notice a difference others may not or what some think is great others will think is crap.

And no I am not arguing that the reason they don't post their specs is to annoy freaks and nutbags such as yourself but I am implying that the reason they don't post their specs is because they don't have to...their primary customer wants simplicity and seeing alot of specs and what not on product brocheures really does not cater to that market as it could lead to confusion or give the buyer more to think about then they want to....Bose competes with the Sony, Pioneer and other cheapass HTIB systems as giving mainstream buyers who want something "nicer" than the flat sounding japanese systems, DO YOU REALLY THINK THE PEOPLE WHO BUY SYSTEMS LIKE THIS BOTHER TO READ SPECS?...I mean really.

Look forward to seeing your response as I have heard people end with your last line many a time only to return....

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
that the Pioneer is cheaper AND blows the Bose away.

Bose: Better sound through marketing.

I wish I could take this seriously but truth is the Pioneer and Sony HTIB systems basically blow and blow bigtime, they are cheap entryways into HT and they do a pretty poor job....the only reason someone like you would argue they "blow" the Bose systems away is because it is impossible NOT to take price into account....

I have talked with many who have demoed virtually all of the systems mentioned who could easily afford any but ended up buying none and they all agree that the Bose systems sound decidedly better than the japanese crap HTIB systems but not that much better to justify the jump in price. The Onkyo HTIB however is supposed to be pretty darn good for a relatively short amount of cash, however word is it sounds muddy and the dialog sucks from the center they give you which is disappointing from bookshelf sized speakers.

 

[midwestfisherman]

JBL > *

 

[TheGeek]

their Aviation X headset is l337

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Also, if you ask the DIEHARD audiophiles that sue Vacum-tube this and analog that, they will most liekly tell you that a 2 speaker system is best, and they might be right; unfortunately, the 2-channel systems they speak of are incredibly expensive, and finding source material that consistently takes advantage of it is an ordeal.

As for the more reasonable yet still enthusiastic crowd, from experience, I have heard nothing but praise for 2.1 systems using bookshelves. Assuming that you get highquality bookshelves, of course, and a nice sub, you can achieve absolutely beautiful and accurate sound reproduction. The only reason I perchased floostanders was because they were the best speakers that I could afford, and good bookshelves were a lot more.

Basically, good booksehelves on stands and a nice sub resutls in an auible paradise.

ex :

Keff

B&W Nautilus with stand (flagship)

B&W CM with stand

B&W DM (value)

Basically, all of these have necessary driver size and are still quite small. Also, regarding an issue you brought up, its not that good sounding smaller speakers cannot be made, but rather that you cannot accurately reproduce the audible spectrum with anything smaller using the current coil designs.

Planars and even Pioneer with their diode system have shown that using different technologies, you can achieve some pretty interesting sizes, for better or for worse. In the case of Bose and other manufacuers of miniture speaker systems, most of them still use conventional speaker designs (paper cone with coil) while compensating with computer-based manipulation to make the sound enjoyable.

I've got those exact B&W DM speakers.

They sound awesome except the slightly larger B&Ws sound better but cost a lot more.

Please don't buy Bose. Their speakers are total crap. Open up the grill on one of them and you'll notice their woofers are made of paper. If you want paper woofers, go to Radio Shack and buy a pair of Optimus speakers for a lot less.

Nothing wrong with paper, although I think Bose should actually try to develop speakers that sound realistic.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Skiguy411
Yeah, I did notice that the system they were showing off was $3,500.....

For $3,500, I could put together a system that would get you banned from your neighborhood. :Q

Edit: For $2,150, I've purchased the following gear - from authorized sources which provides me with warranty coverage:

- Pioneer Elite 54TX receiver
- Panasonic DVD Player
- Polk RTi8 tower speakers with real cherry veneer
- Polk CSi3 center channel speaker with real cherry veneer
- Nady pro audio amp (450W x 2 @ 4 Ohms)
- (2) 12" Shiva subwoofers
- (2) on-wall 2-way speakers for the rear surrounds
- Materials to build the two subwoofer cabinets.

If you shop around, your money can go a long, long way. I'm currently looking at 46" Samsung DLP sets. Refurbed models run about $1,800. If this were the case, I would only have $3,950 into my complete system - including screen. Just $450 more than the Bose (audio only) system.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
I love Bose. I have an awesome Bose sound system in my car. I do agree though, prices are a little high, but I've received nothing but great quality, so no complaints here.

You have my condolences.

 

[FleshLight]

So my personal first hand experience in that I demoed, in many cases direct comparison Acoustimass to other similar systems...the two most recently were the Polk mini sats and the Mirage Omnisats and found little difference in sound is a passive defense?? please..your just pissed because I am not saying what you want to hear plain and simple and I love the cheap shot with the dog remark...the sad thing is that you are much like many audiophiles in your pompous, arrogant, and self ritcheous attitude...you cannot comprehend the FACT that sound can be subjective and while some will notice a difference others may not or what some think is great others will think is crap.

The thing is, is that Bose has special specifications for their demos/show rooms. Best Buy/Frys/CC all have specially designed showrooms setup by specialized technicians from Bose. They use higher end recievers, cables, amps, and inputs. On the other hand, everything else at BB/Frys/CC is setup by their employees who want to get the job done as fast as possible. They aren't hooked up to the tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment that bose uses.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Every HTIB you can get for 500 bucks at BB or CC is much better than any Bose HT setup.

to use your quote...

Evidently you don't know what really good quality sound is.

None of the above qualify as "really good quality sound", but I'll still maintain that the mainstream HITB's sound better than the Bose HT's that cost quite a bit more.

Sony, maybe not, then again, nobody ever said Bose was the worst thing you can buy, just that you can blow Bose crap away for the same money.
I'll still take any Yamaha, Pioneer, or Onkyo HTIB over a Bose that costs several hundred more. You'll have more bass with the HTIB's sub, and you'll be a lot farther ahead in terms of surround sound processing.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
that the Pioneer is cheaper AND blows the Bose away.

Bose: Better sound through marketing.

I wish I could take this seriously but truth is the Pioneer and Sony HTIB systems basically blow and blow bigtime, they are cheap entryways into HT and they do a pretty poor job....the only reason someone like you would argue they "blow" the Bose systems away is because it is impossible NOT to take price into account....

I have talked with many who have demoed virtually all of the systems mentioned who could easily afford any but ended up buying none and they all agree that the Bose systems sound decidedly better than the japanese crap HTIB systems but not that much better to justify the jump in price. The Onkyo HTIB however is supposed to be pretty darn good for a relatively short amount of cash, however word is it sounds muddy and the dialog sucks from the center they give you which is disappointing from bookshelf sized speakers.

So evidently, YOU haven't demoed anything, you're just going on what people tell you.
And what do you mean by "the only reason someone like you would argue they "blow" the Bose systems away is because it is impossible NOT to take price into account...."
You have no idea who I am, or what I have for a HT setup.
I have personally listened to many of these systems, including the Bose....which is setup in stores in a way you'll never duplicate at home.
Until you listen to a system IN YOUR HOME, you won't know what it sounds like.
I have yet to see a HTIB by Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo that costs 400 or more that isn't superior in every way, sound-wise, to the Bose systems costing hundreds more.

How about these Bose specs for an Acoustimass system:
SATELLITES
Frequency Response 280 Hz to 13.3k Hz at ±10.5 dB
Sensitivity (SPL at 1 meter)* 85.1 dB
Impedance (minimum/nominal) 5.3/8 ohms
Bass Limits (-3/-6 dB) 280/220 Hz

BASS MODULE
Frequency Response 46Hz to 202Hz at ±2.3 dB
Sensitivity (SPL at 1 meter)* N/A
Impedance (minimum/nominal) N/A
Bass Limits (-3/-6 dB) 46/40 Hz

No wonder Bose doesn't publish their specs.

Edit: These specs are lined up perfectly when I go to edit them, but are all jumbled when I view the post. Oh well, not that much to look at, and they certainly confirm the old, "no highs, no lows" saying.
No bass response under 46Hz, and no highs over 13.3khz. Most decent speaker systems go from 20Hz-20khz.
Not to mention the 78Hz gap from 202Hz to 280Hz....wonder why Bose decided we didn't need to hear anything in that range?

Edit again: Rearranged the specs.

 

[Goosemaster]

280hz floor? damn.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: FleshLight

The thing is, is that Bose has special specifications for their demos/show rooms. Best Buy/Frys/CC all have specially designed showrooms setup by specialized technicians from Bose. They use higher end recievers, cables, amps, and inputs. On the other hand, everything else at BB/Frys/CC is setup by their employees who want to get the job done as fast as possible. They aren't hooked up to the tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment that bose uses.

Right but Tweeter and a few others in my area do not have specially designed showrooms, all systems are hooked up right next to each other and set up by the tweeter techs using the same recievers, amps and what not so you can do a valid a-b comparison.

 

[Staples]

I think the hatered towards them is blown way out of porportion because they are supposedly good speakers. As far as my experience, I think they sound pretty good but I am no audiophile.

 

[bozack]

I am going to double quote ya PC since I hate having to post twice if unnecessary....

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

None of the above qualify as "really good quality sound", but I'll still maintain that the mainstream HITB's sound better than the Bose HT's that cost quite a bit more.

Sony, maybe not, then again, nobody ever said Bose was the worst thing you can buy, just that you can blow Bose crap away for the same money.
I'll still take any Yamaha, Pioneer, or Onkyo HTIB over a Bose that costs several hundred more. You'll have more bass with the HTIB's sub, and you'll be a lot farther ahead in terms of surround sound processing.

Agreed but dependant on what your basis for comparison is, if you are comparing them to your TV speakers and the like then I would argue that yes they are "really good" but if you are trying to compare them to the gigantic and IMHO hideous Martin Logan setups then no they sound like poo.

However I will still have to disagree on your mainstream HTIB comment unless you are specifically referring to the Onkyo or anything larger than a bookshelf setup as from my personal experience all of the HTIB systems using small speakers (Sony, Panasonic and a few others) sound like absolute crap, while you might get a good deal more bass from them (and also not at all the best way to gauge a systems performance) their overall sound is flat and crappy...again my personal opinion here.

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
So evidently, YOU haven't demoed anything, you're just going on what people tell you.
And what do you mean by "the only reason someone like you would argue they "blow" the bose systems away is because it is impossible NOT to take price into account...."
You have no idea who I am, or what I have for a HT setup.
I have personally listened to many of these systems, including the bose....which is setup in stores in a way you'll never duplicate at home.
Until you listen to a system IN YOUR HOME, you won't know what it sounds like.
I have yet to see a HTIB by Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo that costs 400 or more that isn't superior in every way, sound-wise, to the bose systems costing hundreds more.

No wonder bose doesn't publish their specs.

I cut out your specs and your edit to shorten this up a bit......

So now you are an expert on what I have and haven't done, I forgot that you spend every minute of the day following me around and cataloging my life good to know that when my time comes you will be able to put together a nice biography.

Like I said I have demoed more than a few ht setups in my period of looking, from mirage, canton, NHT, Klipsch, HSU specifically the VT 12 and the Ventriloquist sats/center, Mirage Omnisats, Bose Acoustimass 6-10-15....many a time this was a direct a-b comparison as the store did not have a bose demo room, a few were demoed in CC and BB which I admit is not the best place but what was available at the time....

With regards to you and the price comment, honestly it doesn't matter what you have at home or how much you are willing to spend as it is highly obvious that you are a biased individual and your bias is against bose, not that there is anything wrong with that....but if you have a predisposition towards something because of what you have read or how you feel than any slight discrepentcy that favors Your opinion will be exploited plain and simple.....like I have said, not only have I listened to these systems against each other and against Bose but I have spoken with many who are very very knowledgable in the field of HT and what not and ALL agree that the cheap HTIB from Sony, Panasonic, Yamaha and others sound like absolute trash....trash, and while the Bose to them and myself does sound better it does not sound better enough to justify the price jump from the lower cost japanese systems. The only exception is the Onkyo HTIB which is truly a good value for the money when compared to others but again this is a bookshelf based system which IMHO isn't a good comparison simply because the speakers are much larger...I compare like for like.

With the Setup issue, read my comment above..there are more than a few stores which do not have Bose listening rooms and also do not have bose advanced equipment running the systems, I know for a Fact that the local Tweeters hook their Bose sytems up to the same equipment using the same wires and everything else as they do their other systems, heck in many cases their sales people will try to sell you something other than bose if you show even the slightest bit of interest in learning more...

And for your last point, as I said above I agree in part with the Onkyo system however the voice is muddy and hard to hear...but the Pioneer and Yamaha systems are garbage plain and simple along with the Sony setups....

With the specs you published I am curious as to their source...as if it is that intellexuial.net site then my opinion is already known on that one, personally I wouldn't take anything he prints as hard and fast info and most certainly wouldn't quote it as being accurate.