So whats the deal with Bose?

[bozack]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I don't buy the "sub/sat system" limitations. Sure there are limitations, but a decent sub/sat system can still sound very good. In fact for home theater applications it has advantages over a tower.

But the fact remains that the bose systems do not reproduce music well, nor do they have bass at a cost that is simply ridiculous.

For 2000 bucks one could get a 1400 speaker system (400 sub, 1000 speakers) and a 600 dollar receiver and it would sound fabulous. Oh, and said receiver would also be able to accept other video/music sources, control your TV, etc - all from one remote. That sounds like simplicity to me.

For size, there are numerous subs out there that are small and produce butt shaking low bass. But most importantly they produce it with minimal distortion - the bose accustimass simply pounds out distorted midbass rumble.

My next home theater will be a satellite for the mains, because I can get a much better sat for the money over a tower. The polk LSi 9s come to mind, with a larger SVS sub. Or maybe B&W nautilus. Or maybe the smaller martin logans.

But think about it - if one wants audio advice they ask ones who know about it. Same with any other purchase - cars, computers, video (shouldn't one look at specs, etc when purchasing a TV?), vacuum cleane.

Spidey,

Read AVS, Audioreview or any of the larger forums dedicated to home theater....ask about Sub/Sat combos and see what kind of responses you get....I have been doing research for quite a while now and I can say first hand that 99.99% of participants say that all speakers which do not have at least a 5 1/4" woofer will have various frequency gaps and sound poor when compared to bookshelf or larger systems....many if not all will say that the only advantage they have over tower based systems is from an aesthetic or space saving standpoint and nothing more...

Also it depends on what your talking about with your $2000, last I checked their Acoustimass 15 system was $1,500 which is $500 less than your 2K quote, about on par with the price of Mirage omnisats and a subwoofer and many other speakers...now if you are talking about their lifestyle setups then yes I agree they are a waste of money and very expensive. I think from your description you are talking about the lifestyle system and not the speakers themselves.

Polk especailly with their small sattelites are often regarded to as being near crap...not familiar with their product line as from reading the various negative reviews I have for the most part written them off.

With regards to advice and who to ask...while generally I think you are correct I also think that often times enthusiasts aren't the right people to ask if you yourself are not an enthusiast as what they value you might not and often times enthusiasts are not able to curb their thoughts/opinions to benefit "your" needs vs what they think you need or should have...great example is when people come here asking what is a good pre built pc for them to buy at a low cost and the amount of responses they get that if they don't build their own pc then they are stupid....ultimately the person gets no help with their question and just goes it one their own....

 

[DanDrop]

Originally posted by: Skiguy411
Stopped in to a bose store the other day and listened to their little home theatre presentation and I thought they sounded pretty good.

Why do alot of people hate them?

I do not think you have listened to 'real' sound setups.

Why dont you go and audition some real HT or just stereo setups. Maybe a NAD or Rotel with BW speakers or paradigm speakers. Then go back and listen to bose.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Skiguy411
What is your opinion on JBL?

1000% better than Bose.

Agree... JBL are strong speakers like Cerwin Vega, take a beating.

I dislike Bose a lot.. totally over-rated.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
This is the kind of information you should be able to get on any speaker you are considering:

FREQUENCY RESPONSE:
37Hz-20kHz±3dB

SENSITIVITY:
98dB @ 1watt/1meter

POWER HANDLING:
150 watts maximum continuous (600 watts peak)

NOMINAL IMPEDANCE:
8 ohms

ENCLOSURE TYPE:
Bass reflex via rear-mounted port

DRIVE COMPONENTS:
Two-way sytem using one 1" (2.54cm) magnetically shielded, titanium dome compression driver tweeter with a 6" (15.24cm) square 90° x 60° Tractrix® Horn and two 8" (20.32cm) magnetically shielded, aluminum cone woofers

TWEETER:
K-105-K 1" (2.54cm) Titanium dome compression driver

HIGH FREQUENCY HORN:
6" square 90°x60° Tractrix® Horn

HF CROSSOVER:
1975Hz

WOOFER:
Two K-1083-SB 8" (20.32cm) Cerametallic® cone / cast polymer frame

DIMENSIONS:
38.5" (97.8cm) x 9" (22.9cm) x 16.2" (41cm)

WEIGHT:
56 lbs. (25.5kg)

ENCLOSURE MATERIAL:
Medium density fiberboard construction (MDF)

FINISHES:
Black ash vinyl veneer

If you are an enthusiast and spank your monkey over this stuff then sure...but if you are joe blow who just wants a decent speaker system it is really TMI...I mean are they really going to give a rats ass about the nominal impedance or how their woofer is constructed?...no, these people go into a store, listen to a few and then buy plain and simple. Audiophiles are the ones who obsess over specs and info just as comp hardware junkes care about bus speeds and bios tuneability....

If they give a rats ass about how their music/movies sound then I would say yes. They should give a rats ass about how their woofer is constructed and what the frequency response and nominal impedance is.

Why would you pay equal or more for something that sounds worse?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Bozack,

Of course the most readily available material will be gibberish and garbage from the mouths of "haters," but as an educated individual (assumption), it shoulid be everyones perrogative to research the claims of those who actually know of what they speak and arern't out to bash something just to get attention.

I know people who have had Bose systems, and I won't criciticize them because they are happy with it. On the other hand, if they ask my honest opinion, as a friend I will not lie to them that I am a musican and appreciate accuracy, for better or for worse. I like hearing the "hiss" of an age old recording that was beautifulyl preserved. I like hearing the rich fullness and somewhat monoural sound of analog transfers. They will end up both understanding my point, and not feeling cheated. Hell sometimes it has even convinced some music lovers to change over.

Does my system blow theirs away? Of course not. Do I like my system better? Infinitely.

I guess my problem is that too many on the net take an article that says what they would like to hear and then pass it off as gospel, case and point that bose review from the intellexual.net site, something written by someone who as far as I can tell has no credentials in the field of critiquing hi fi other than what they have read and digested on the net and also from owning what appears to be a "nice" but not spectacular HT system, and then confusion is furthered when you see him mention his use of Monster products, arguably a brand as bad if not worse than he claims Bose to be with regards to product claims to performance, price gouging, and dirty tricks in terms of marketing.

Like you if somoene asks my honest opinion I will give it but I will not mislead someone into thinking that their system is the only one plauged by said problem...as I said before there are many sub/sat systems which all have the same problems as the Bose setup and many are just about if not more expensive combined with their exclusivity thus making it that much harder to demo them...seems like the buck stops with bose in terms of criticism due to their popularity and availability.

With any micro system you will pay a price in terms of performance for the smaller size....those who have the space to use larger speakers and don't mind the look of them will be rewarded with better quality sound at a lower cost, those who such as myself do not like large speakers and don't want to sacrifice floorspace to bookshelves or towers will be rewarded with more appealing aestheitcs to us and more living area but poorer sound quality....it is all about your needs and desires and priorities.

Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

 

[Goosemaster]

Also, if you ask the DIEHARD audiophiles that sue Vacum-tube this and analog that, they will most liekly tell you that a 2 speaker system is best, and they might be right; unfortunately, the 2-channel systems they speak of are incredibly expensive, and finding source material that consistently takes advantage of it is an ordeal.

As for the more reasonable yet still enthusiastic crowd, from experience, I have heard nothing but praise for 2.1 systems using bookshelves. Assuming that you get highquality bookshelves, of course, and a nice sub, you can achieve absolutely beautiful and accurate sound reproduction. The only reason I perchased floostanders was because they were the best speakers that I could afford, and good bookshelves were a lot more.

Basically, good booksehelves on stands and a nice sub resutls in an auible paradise.

ex :

Keff

B&W Nautilus with stand (flagship)

B&W CM with stand

B&W DM (value)

Basically, all of these have necessary driver size and are still quite small. Also, regarding an issue you brought up, its not that good sounding smaller speakers cannot be made, but rather that you cannot accurately reproduce the audible spectrum with anything smaller using the current coil designs.

Planars and even Pioneer with their diode system have shown that using different technologies, you can achieve some pretty interesting sizes, for better or for worse. In the case of Bose and other manufacuers of miniture speaker systems, most of them still use conventional speaker designs (paper cone with coil) while compensating with computer-based manipulation to make the sound enjoyable.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


Pot meet kettle.

I think I know what you meant, but 'Pot me Kettle?"

Never heard that saying before...

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: bozack
Spidey,

Read AVS, Audioreview or any of the larger forums dedicated to home theater....ask about Sub/Sat combos and see what kind of responses you get....I have been doing research for quite a while now and I can say first hand that 99.99% of participants say that all speakers which do not have at least a 5 1/4" woofer will have various frequency gaps and sound poor when compared to bookshelf or larger systems....many if not all will say that the only advantage they have over tower based systems is from an aesthetic or space saving standpoint and nothing more...

Also it depends on what your talking about with your $2000, last I checked their Acoustimass 15 system was $1,500 which is $500 less than your 2K quote, about on par with the price of Mirage omnisats and a subwoofer and many other speakers...now if you are talking about their lifestyle setups then yes I agree they are a waste of money and very expensive. I think from your description you are talking about the lifestyle system and not the speakers themselves.

Polk especailly with their small sattelites are often regarded to as being near crap...not familiar with their product line as from reading the various negative reviews I have for the most part written them off.

With regards to advice and who to ask...while generally I think you are correct I also think that often times enthusiasts aren't the right people to ask if you yourself are not an enthusiast as what they value you might not and often times enthusiasts are not able to curb their thoughts/opinions to benefit "your" needs vs what they think you need or should have...great example is when people come here asking what is a good pre built pc for them to buy at a low cost and the amount of responses they get that if they don't build their own pc then they are stupid....ultimately the person gets no help with their question and just goes it one their own....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...759&highlight=bose

You just lost your right to mention Bose with any audio-related forum. Go away.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they give a rats ass about how their music/movies sound then I would say yes. They should give a rats ass about how their woofer is constructed and what the frequency response and nominal impedance is.

Why would you pay equal or more for something that sounds worse?

Then this clearly shows your ignorance of average consumers and the industry as a whole....

People don't want to muddle through specs and become technically proficient on every electronic gadget they have in their household...they want convenience and something which works well....

Are you telling me you looked up all of the specifications of your toaster before you bought it? or you know the exact weave pattern and ply depth of the toilet paper you use to wipe every day?

People pay equal or more for something that in your opinion sounds worse 1. because it is marketed well, 2. because it sounded or looked good to them in the store, and 3. because it was easily accessable and an easy purchase....remember many people buy on the fly with little to no research in said purchase.

 

[Dubb]

I have 3-4 friends who have all dropped $150 a piece on those spiffy bose headphones, and for a brief period they all argued with me that they were the best headphones in the world. after one had his break, he asked me about other options. I had him listen to my HD280s, and also mentioned the grado line. He went and demoed the sr-80s and bought them on the spot for a fraction of what the bose cost, and he admits they're much, much better. The others are coming around as well.

as has been said before, they sell gimmicks, not audio equipment.

I'm still waiting for them to team up with apple to sell a "platnium edition" ipod. it'll be a normal ipod, but with a new faceplate and "bose enhanced" stamped all over it. it'll sell for $800 and everyone will run around shreiking about how good it sounds, untill someone takes it apart to find the exact same ipod. And no one will listen, and they'll still sell like crazy, and it still won't have gapless playback.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they give a rats ass about how their music/movies sound then I would say yes. They should give a rats ass about how their woofer is constructed and what the frequency response and nominal impedance is.

Why would you pay equal or more for something that sounds worse?

Then this clearly shows your ignorance of average consumers and the industry as a whole....

People don't want to muddle through specs and become technically proficient on every electronic gadget they have in their household...they want convenience and something which works well....

Are you telling me you looked up all of the specifications of your toaster before you bought it? or you know the exact weave pattern and ply depth of the toilet paper you use to wipe every day?

People pay equal or more for something that in your opinion sounds worse 1. because it is marketed well, 2. because it sounded or looked good to them in the store, and 3. because it was easily accessable and an easy purchase....remember many people buy on the fly with little to no research in said purchase.

A toaster doesn't cost $1200 genius. :roll:

Do you really believe the sh!t you're pushing? So, because many people buy it and because it is small it is therefor good?

 

[Vic]

Grossly overpriced. You could easily get a comparable system for half the price. And their equipment typically lacks depth and warmth, providing a kind of cold, flat, muddy, and "scientific" sound. But their high-pressure sales does a good job fooling the naive masses who think money can only buy quality.

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Bose is an engineering company second, a marketing company first. They sell their speakers in slick packages and charge top dollar for them.

Bingo.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

and here come the ASSumptions....


honestly I don't own ANY HT setup as of yet, my wife has an older Onkyo reviever with a Sony five disc cd changer, a pioneer dual tape deck and two mini Advent speakers along with two lager Boston Acoustic Bookshelves her uncle gave us....I was contemplating buying a small sub/sat speaker system early this year for our new townhouse but the purchase got sidetracked due to other more important items.

As I said before I have no vested interest and as I just said above I have no real HT to speak of, and we have absolutely no Bose products in the house however I am intrigued by their Ipod speaker system even though it is pricy.

nice try though.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Dubb
I have 3-4 friends who have all dropped $150 a piece on those spiffy bose headphones, and for a brief period they all argued with me that they were the best headphones in the world. after one had his break, he asked me about other options. I had him listen to my HD280s, and also mentioned the grado line. He went and demoed the sr-80s and bought them on the spot for a fraction of what the bose cost, and he admits they're much, much better. The others are coming around as well.

as has been said before, they sell gimmicks, not audio equipment.

Im still waiting for them to team up with apple to sell a "platnium edition" ipod. it'll be a normal ipod, but with a new faceplate and "bose enhanced" stamped all over it. it'll sell for $800 and everyone will run around shreiking about how good it sounds, untill someone takes it apart to find the exact same ipod. And no one will listen, and they'll still sell like crazy, and it still won't have gapless playback.

Ok, thats going a little too far; lets keep this disscussion realistic and un-inflammatory.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
A toaster doesn't cost $1200 genius. :roll:

Do you really believe the sh!t you're pushing? So, because many people buy it and because it is small it is therefor good?

If you really want I am sure I could link you to a $1,200 toaster....also since when does price factor into what one should bother researching and if so is there a limit in your mind?? a Toaster is something that could be used on a daily basis and should last for a good number of years so why not research it??

Also what "sh1t" exactly am I pushing, please point out in ANY of my posts where I said:

So, because many people buy it and because it is small it is therefor good?

FACT is YOU WON"T FIND IT but instead you are dillusional, you think that I am defending bose when in fact that is the furthest thing from the truth, instead I am pointing out why SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT THEM and also that THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY BRAND/PRODUCT TO HAVE SAID CRITICISMS LEVELED AGAINST THEM...eg POLK also comes under fire along with many other micro systems due to their physical limitations.

might I suggest you comprehend what you read before responding next time.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

and here come the ASSumptions....


honestly I don't own ANY HT setup as of yet, my wife has an older Onkyo reviever with a Sony five disc cd changer, a pioneer dual tape deck and two mini Advent speakers along with two lager Boston Acoustic Bookshelves her uncle gave us....I was contemplating buying a small sub/sat speaker system early this year for our new townhouse but the purchase got sidetracked due to other more important items.

As I said before I have no vested interest and as I just said above I have no real HT to speak of, and we have absolutely no Bose products in the house however I am intrigued by their Ipod speaker system even though it is pricy.

nice try though.

Then exactly how do you consider yourself HT-adept enough to comment about Bose's quality? Apparently all you've owned is their crappy car audio components. I laugh at cars driving by me with subs pounding at horribly distorted levels because they are just like you. As for the ipod, I can't comment because I haven't heard it, but I can guarantee you that if it's Bose I will not purchase it.

It seems like YOU are that one that's ASSuming everything about HT.

edit- also, interesting that you ignore the posts, even one or two lines worth, that give a clear cut arguement.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

and here come the ASSumptions....


honestly I don't own ANY HT setup as of yet, my wife has an older Onkyo reviever with a Sony five disc cd changer, a pioneer dual tape deck and two mini Advent speakers along with two lager Boston Acoustic Bookshelves her uncle gave us....I was contemplating buying a small sub/sat speaker system early this year for our new townhouse but the purchase got sidetracked due to other more important items.

As I said before I have no vested interest and as I just said above I have no real HT to speak of, and we have absolutely no Bose products in the house however I am intrigued by their Ipod speaker system even though it is pricy.

nice try though.

Well, judging by your defensive position I just figured you for a sucker...er I mean another happy Bose customer.

 

[Dubb]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Dubb
I have 3-4 friends who have all dropped $150 a piece on those spiffy bose headphones, and for a brief period they all argued with me that they were the best headphones in the world. after one had his break, he asked me about other options. I had him listen to my HD280s, and also mentioned the grado line. He went and demoed the sr-80s and bought them on the spot for a fraction of what the bose cost, and he admits they're much, much better. The others are coming around as well.

as has been said before, they sell gimmicks, not audio equipment.

Im still waiting for them to team up with apple to sell a "platnium edition" ipod. it'll be a normal ipod, but with a new faceplate and "bose enhanced" stamped all over it. it'll sell for $800 and everyone will run around shreiking about how good it sounds, untill someone takes it apart to find the exact same ipod. And no one will listen, and they'll still sell like crazy, and it still won't have gapless playback.

Ok, thats going a little too far; lets keep this disscussion realistic and un-inflammatory.

I thought the statement was silly enough to be obvious that it was a joke exagerating the extreme....my bad.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: apac
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...759&highlight=bose

You just lost your right to mention Bose with any audio-related forum. Go away.

Please Apac enlighten me as to exactly what you are referring to??

If it is in dealing with the price then I stand by my comment, all micro sub sat systems that are regarded as somewhat decent are just as expensive or almost as expensive as many Bose setups....

if you are talking about the limitations of sub sat systems then do me a favor and try to find a thread dealing with said systems without Bose in the title, anytime Bose is mentioned then of couse the other products will be seen as favorable but if you ask about other micro systems sans the bose comment you will see that the same or similar criticisms are leveled and the option of larger speakers is ALWAYS mentioned as the preferred option.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

and here come the ASSumptions....


honestly I don't own ANY HT setup as of yet, my wife has an older Onkyo reviever with a Sony five disc cd changer, a pioneer dual tape deck and two mini Advent speakers along with two lager Boston Acoustic Bookshelves her uncle gave us....I was contemplating buying a small sub/sat speaker system early this year for our new townhouse but the purchase got sidetracked due to other more important items.

As I said before I have no vested interest and as I just said above I have no real HT to speak of, and we have absolutely no Bose products in the house however I am intrigued by their Ipod speaker system even though it is pricy.

nice try though.

Don't listen to these robots. Your argument is quite logical, and I understand where you are coming from.

Bose is not crap. It is simply a product that caters to un-audio-educated masses.

Hell, the only reason my parents would see their flaw would be ebcause they listen to my system, my dad ahs designed and built a few HT's for people minus the equipment, and they have see gone to see me play live time and time again.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: apac
Then exactly how do you consider yourself HT-adept enough to comment about Bose's quality? Apparently all you've owned is their crappy car audio components. I laugh at cars driving by me with subs pounding at horribly distorted levels because they are just like you. As for the ipod, I can't comment because I haven't heard it, but I can guarantee you that if it's Bose I will not purchase it.

It seems like YOU are that one that's ASSuming everything about HT.

edit- also, interesting that you ignore the posts, even one or two lines worth, that give a clear cut arguement.

Ahh even better because this is a BASELESS ASSUMPTION....

FACT: I have NEVER owned a Bose product, not in my home, not in my car, not on my head....

my wife owns a 2002 VW Jetta with their Monsoon and I own a 2000 Ford SVT Contour with the factory stereo, before that I owned a 1990 Saleen with factory and before that I owned a 1987 Camaro with two 10 in Subs in bass tubes, two Blaupunct Velocity Amps (one at 100wats and the other at 50) a CD Changer, crossover and professional gauge wiring....

Where you got the notion that I owned Bose audio is beyond me, if you could please link to where I said this it would be appreciated....

With the Ipod as I said above it is expensive but I demoed it against the competition that currently stands and it is the best of the bunch...too rich for my blood but if I happened to get one for free then I would gladly take it.

Also as I said before I was in the market for a HT setup for a while, did alot of research, read alot of reviews, demo'd alot of systems....sooner or later I will buy but I am in no rush, personally I lean towards either HSU or Canton but as I said it would be nice if Bose offered something that was accepted as good because they are local and I love supporting local business.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: apac
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...759&highlight=bose

You just lost your right to mention Bose with any audio-related forum. Go away.

Please Apac enlighten me as to exactly what you are referring to??

If it is in dealing with the price then I stand by my comment, all micro sub sat systems that are regarded as somewhat decent are just as expensive or almost as expensive as many Bose setups....

if you are talking about the limitations of sub sat systems then do me a favor and try to find a thread dealing with said systems without Bose in the title, anytime Bose is mentioned then of couse the other products will be seen as favorable but if you ask about other micro systems sans the bose comment you will see that the same or similar criticisms are leveled and the option of larger speakers is ALWAYS mentioned as the preferred option.

My point is that I can't post a new thread there (like you suggestted) because it's already been beaten to death, but I will show you the existing proof that supports every arguement against Bose. If you had actually taken the time to READ those posts, you'll see that from a both price and quality standpoint, every other HTiB or small satellite system is superior. I'll quote one section from the first page:

I convinced a couple a few weeks ago at a local Costco to go with a Pioneer system over a Bose system. They said that their friends had just gotten a Bose system and hadn't put it together and they were thinking about getting one too. I finally convinced them to get the Pioneer system and they went away skeptical, but happy.

I ran into them last weekend and they started thanking me. I had no idea who they were at first, but then they explained that they got their system together and were much more pleased with how their system sounded for less money than their friend's Bose system, which they said sounded terrible.

That's from a consumer standpoint, not an audiophiles. Show me a thread there that supports your point. Keep in mind I said thread, not post, because one persons opinion doesn't reflect the masses. I just quoted that single post because 99% of the replies on that thread also support this opinion.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: bozack
Ahh even better because this is a BASELESS ASSUMPTION....

FACT: I have NEVER owned a Bose product, not in my home, not in my car, not on my head....

my wife owns a 2002 VW Jetta with their Monsoon and I own a 2000 Ford SVT Contour with the factory stereo, before that I owned a 1990 Saleen with factory and before that I owned a 1987 Camaro with two 10 in Subs in bass tubes, two Blaupunct Velocity Amps (one at 100wats and the other at 50) a CD Changer, crossover and professional gauge wiring....

Where you got the notion that I owned Bose audio is beyond me, if you could please link to where I said this it would be appreciated....

With the Ipod as I said above it is expensive but I demoed it against the competition that currently stands and it is the best of the bunch...too rich for my blood but if I happened to get one for free then I would gladly take it.

Also as I said before I was in the market for a HT setup for a while, did alot of research, read alot of reviews, demo'd alot of systems....sooner or later I will buy but I am in no rush, personally I lean towards either HSU or Canton but as I said it would be nice if Bose offered something that was accepted as good because they are local and I love supporting local business.

Sorry, I read SuRgEoN's post and thought it was yours. Disregard that.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

and here come the ASSumptions....


honestly I don't own ANY HT setup as of yet, my wife has an older Onkyo reviever with a Sony five disc cd changer, a pioneer dual tape deck and two mini Advent speakers along with two lager Boston Acoustic Bookshelves her uncle gave us....I was contemplating buying a small sub/sat speaker system early this year for our new townhouse but the purchase got sidetracked due to other more important items.

As I said before I have no vested interest and as I just said above I have no real HT to speak of, and we have absolutely no Bose products in the house however I am intrigued by their Ipod speaker system even though it is pricy.

nice try though.

Then exactly how do you consider yourself HT-adept enough to comment about Bose's quality? Apparently all you've owned is their crappy car audio components. I laugh at cars driving by me with subs pounding at horribly distorted levels because they are just like you. As for the ipod, I can't comment because I haven't heard it, but I can guarantee you that if it's Bose I will not purchase it.

It seems like YOU are that one that's ASSuming everything about HT.

edit- also, interesting that you ignore the posts, even one or two lines worth, that give a clear cut arguement.

Well, if you need that much daily reassurance in the form of ridicule to justify your purchase, more power to you. Personally I don't care what other people have, or what potentially grievous mistakes they have made. Of course it peeves me when my cousing come over and play some sh!tty rap music and have the sub volume at 10 and have the nerve to ask me why my supposed ly "nice stereo" sounds like "sh!t." What am I to say, that I can play DMX at full volume but I have to keep the subwoofer at a certain level so it sounds liek the live auditorium in which it was recorded? Do you think they will even let me finish the sentence? Of course not. The same thing goes for home theater....it took ME FOREVER to convince my parents that my speakers were good. During bass heavy movies they always wanted to turn up the sub for the "kick" until I told them not to.... only after havign to sit there impatiently did they finally realize what I was talking about, and they liked it.

These type of shoppers who are in it for the "shock and awe" are whom Bsoe is catering to.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Pot meet kettle.

Edit-I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you own an expensive Bose setup.

and here come the ASSumptions....


honestly I don't own ANY HT setup as of yet, my wife has an older Onkyo reviever with a Sony five disc cd changer, a pioneer dual tape deck and two mini Advent speakers along with two lager Boston Acoustic Bookshelves her uncle gave us....I was contemplating buying a small sub/sat speaker system early this year for our new townhouse but the purchase got sidetracked due to other more important items.

As I said before I have no vested interest and as I just said above I have no real HT to speak of, and we have absolutely no Bose products in the house however I am intrigued by their Ipod speaker system even though it is pricy.

nice try though.

Well, judging by your defensive position I just figured you for a sucker...er I mean another happy Bose customer.

This is exactly what I am talking about: People from all sides of the argument that resort to shrewed personal attacks and whose arguments sometimes lack substance.

 

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I have no intention in buying Bose. I listened to their little setup in the home theatre at their outlet store. I now see why they sounded decent at the outlet store after reading that link you guys provided.

As for me, I have JBL bookshelf fronts, JBL S-Center, and JBL rears. For my sub I built my own using a Dayton 12inch woofer.