Originally posted by: bozack
I am going to double quote ya PC since I hate having to post twice if unnecessary....
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
None of the above qualify as "really good quality sound", but I'll still maintain that the mainstream HITB's sound better than the Bose HT's that cost quite a bit more.
Sony, maybe not, then again, nobody ever said Bose was the worst thing you can buy, just that you can blow Bose crap away for the same money.
I'll still take any Yamaha, Pioneer, or Onkyo HTIB over a Bose that costs several hundred more. You'll have more bass with the HTIB's sub, and you'll be a lot farther ahead in terms of surround sound processing.
Agreed but dependant on what your basis for comparison is, if you are comparing them to your TV speakers and the like then I would argue that yes they are "really good" but if you are trying to compare them to the gigantic and IMHO hideous Martin Logan setups then no they sound like poo.
However I will still have to disagree on your mainstream HTIB comment unless you are specifically referring to the Onkyo or anything larger than a bookshelf setup as from my personal experience all of the HTIB systems using small speakers (Sony, Panasonic and a few others) sound like absolute crap, while you might get a good deal more bass from them (and also not at all the best way to gauge a systems performance) their overall sound is flat and crappy...again my personal opinion here.
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
So evidently, YOU haven't demoed anything, you're just going on what people tell you.
And what do you mean by "the only reason someone like you would argue they "blow" the bose systems away is because it is impossible NOT to take price into account...."
You have no idea who I am, or what I have for a HT setup.
I have personally listened to many of these systems, including the bose....which is setup in stores in a way you'll never duplicate at home.
Until you listen to a system IN YOUR HOME, you won't know what it sounds like.
I have yet to see a HTIB by Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo that costs 400 or more that isn't superior in every way, sound-wise, to the bose systems costing hundreds more.
No wonder bose doesn't publish their specs.
I cut out your specs and your edit to shorten this up a bit......
So now you are an expert on what I have and haven't done, I forgot that you spend every minute of the day following me around and cataloging my life good to know that when my time comes you will be able to put together a nice biography.
Like I said I have demoed more than a few ht setups in my period of looking, from mirage, canton, NHT, Klipsch, HSU specifically the VT 12 and the Ventriloquist sats/center, Mirage Omnisats, Bose Acoustimass 6-10-15....many a time this was a direct a-b comparison as the store did not have a bose demo room, a few were demoed in CC and BB which I admit is not the best place but what was available at the time....
With regards to you and the price comment, honestly it doesn't matter what you have at home or how much you are willing to spend as it is highly obvious that you are a biased individual and your bias is against bose, not that there is anything wrong with that....but if you have a predisposition towards something because of what you have read or how you feel than any slight discrepentcy that favors Your opinion will be exploited plain and simple.....like I have said, not only have I listened to these systems against each other and against Bose but I have spoken with many who are very very knowledgable in the field of HT and what not and ALL agree that the cheap HTIB from Sony, Panasonic, Yamaha and others sound like absolute trash....trash, and while the Bose to them and myself does sound better it does not sound better enough to justify the price jump from the lower cost japanese systems. The only exception is the Onkyo HTIB which is truly a good value for the money when compared to others but again this is a bookshelf based system which IMHO isn't a good comparison simply because the speakers are much larger...I compare like for like.
With the Setup issue, read my comment above..there are more than a few stores which do not have Bose listening rooms and also do not have bose advanced equipment running the systems, I know for a Fact that the local Tweeters hook their Bose sytems up to the same equipment using the same wires and everything else as they do their other systems, heck in many cases their sales people will try to sell you something other than bose if you show even the slightest bit of interest in learning more...
And for your last point, as I said above I agree in part with the Onkyo system however the voice is muddy and hard to hear...but the Pioneer and Yamaha systems are garbage plain and simple along with the Sony setups....
With the specs you published I am curious as to their source...as if it is that intellexuial.net site then my opinion is already known on that one, personally I wouldn't take anything he prints as hard and fast info and most certainly wouldn't quote it as being accurate.
You folks are really passionate about your music, home theatre...etc. Me...Well I never could hear very well, anyway.
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