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So the car dealership just called me....

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Originally posted by: AdamSnow
M4H has some very very good points...

Go buy your TA... and we should meet up sometime... My SRT-4 will destroy your TA (I actually have video of me destroying a TA somewhere... Some of you may remember my post about when I went to the track and video taped all my runs) Then, after I rape you in a straight line... We'll go have some fun in the twisties... My point ? Dont assume all FWD vehicles are garbage or slow, or cant handle...

Now... The TA will handle better in every day driving... Be more fun to drive... and it also looks a hell of a lot better... They're a very sweet ride and I wouldnt mind one myself... BUT... Stop cutting up the little "Rice burner FWDs" when some of them can smoke your TA right off the lot... 🙂
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Not the same thing by a long shot. Performance-wise, the SRT-4 is 10 times the car the RSX-S is. The RSX-S is a poseur performer all dressed up in faux luxury and style.

The point here is that the OP was looking for a particular driving experience, i.e. that of big American V8 RWD, and I can respect that. Even 2 cars with identical performance specs can provide very different driving experiences. And the OP's problem is that the idiotic salesman came back with something that is almost the exact opposite experience and thought it was the same thing. Personally, I would tell that salesperson never to call me again -- that I need someone a little more knowledgeable about cars and driving experiences to meet my particular needs.
 
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
OP: Please ignore the militant Honda fanbois. Your biggest mistake was asking opinions on a domestic car on this board :roll:.

And for those who criticize the handling/gas mileage on the TA...According to the links I posted below, the T/A owns the RSX in gas mileage, skidpad, braking distance, and 0-60. Please do a bit of research before spewing "OMGlololol TRANS AM IS MULLET AND CAN'T HANDEL AND 8MPG OLOLOL"

Link to specs on WS6 TA
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Yeah, on paper the Trans Am looks alright, but it would get destroyed by an RSX on a road course. It's 700 pounds lighter... that's a HUGE difference. Also, skidpad does little to show the true handling capabilities of the car. And, while the Trans Am has a better 60-0 brake time, I bet the brakes fade like crazy on that heavy mofo on a roadcourse.

That said, I'll take the Trans Am over the RSX...
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: AdamSnow
M4H has some very very good points...

Go buy your TA... and we should meet up sometime... My SRT-4 will destroy your TA (I actually have video of me destroying a TA somewhere... Some of you may remember my post about when I went to the track and video taped all my runs) Then, after I rape you in a straight line... We'll go have some fun in the twisties... My point ? Dont assume all FWD vehicles are garbage or slow, or cant handle...

Now... The TA will handle better in every day driving... Be more fun to drive... and it also looks a hell of a lot better... They're a very sweet ride and I wouldnt mind one myself... BUT... Stop cutting up the little "Rice burner FWDs" when some of them can smoke your TA right off the lot... 🙂
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Not the same thing by a long shot. Performance-wise, the SRT-4 is 10 times the car the RSX-S is. The RSX-S is a poseur performer all dressed up in faux luxury and style.

The point here is that the OP was looking for a particular driving experience, i.e. that of big American V8 RWD, and I can respect that. Even 2 cars with identical performance specs can provide very different driving experiences. And the OP's problem is that the idiotic salesman came back with something that is almost the exact opposite experience and thought it was the same thing. Personally, I would tell that salesperson never to call me again -- that I need someone a little more knowledgeable about cars and driving experiences to meet my particular needs.
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exactly, and the srt-4 and the ws6 are completely different cars as well - your car may be faster, but i'd rather have a v8 to work with than a 4 cylinder car.
 
Originally posted by: AdamSnow

Go buy your TA... and we should meet up sometime... some of them can smoke your TA right off the lot...
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Stock, ie "off the lot", the TA has better specs in 0-60 and quarter mile times...

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What other FWD buzz boxes are going to "smoke your TA right off the lot"?
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Black88GTA
OP: Please ignore the militant Honda fanbois. Your biggest mistake was asking opinions on a domestic car on this board :roll:.

And for those who criticize the handling/gas mileage on the TA...According to the links I posted below, the T/A owns the RSX in gas mileage, skidpad, braking distance, and 0-60. Please do a bit of research before spewing "OMGlololol TRANS AM IS MULLET AND CAN'T HANDEL AND 8MPG OLOLOL"

Link to specs on WS6 TA
Link to specs on RSX type S
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price points are different...also that WS6 can't turn those times anywhere near that gas mileage. The RSX can.

plus good luck seeing the nose in that thing if you do fast driving, that was a deal breaker for me. The WS6 is a cone killer on the autox a lot of times.
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True, both cars came in at different price points when new. However, the 2002 WS6 would probably sell today at about the same price as a relatively new RSX (I'm assuming ~1 year old, because of the mileage on the RSX). I would also imagine that the RSX would hold it's value a lot better than the WS6 would. I haven't priced out cars in forever though, so I could be wrong.

Also, if he plans to mod it at all...you can squeeze a lot more HP/TQ out of a modded LS1 than you could out of the RSX motor. Not to mention, the LS1 costs a LOT less to build up, and parts are plentiful.

I will agree with you about the long front end though. I'd still take the WS6 over the RSX any day of the week 😉.

 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: AdamSnow

Go buy your TA... and we should meet up sometime... some of them can smoke your TA right off the lot...
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Stock, ie "off the lot", the TA has better specs in 0-60 and quarter mile times...

Text VS Text

What other FWD buzz boxes are going to "smoke your TA right off the lot"?
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hahaha. i was going to post something similar but i didnt' feel like searching for the stats online.

gj ornery.
 
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: jumpr
I'd much rather have a reliable, tightly-built RSX-S than a huge, jiggly monster of a car like a WS6 Trans Am.

Do what you want though. As an experienced snow driver, I wouldn't drive ANYTHING in PA other than FWD.
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Not even AWD?
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Well, AWD too. 😱
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😀
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I just got myself a CRV. I'll tell ya, the AWD on that thing has already saved my ass up in the mountains.
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🙂 :thumbsup: good car😀 thing pulls pretty decently in 2nd and 3rd gear for a 4 banger in a SUV 😀
 
Originally posted by: acemcmac
ummm.... rwd > fwd in all situations except snow and flooding.

end of story

where are you getting the whole mullet thing from anyway? 😕
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ohh i was wondering what fwd was good for, but since i live in PA, where snow and flooding occured all the time, i think i'll stick with fwd

Dogg
 
Originally posted by: jumpr
I'd much rather have a reliable, tightly-built RSX-S than a huge, jiggly monster of a car like a WS6 Trans Am.

Do what you want though. As an experienced snow driver, I wouldn't drive ANYTHING in PA other than FWD.
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Drove a 924S, a 944, and a Mark VIII in PA snow just fine thanks. All are RWD.

ZV
 

If you want a Trans Am, buy a Trans Am.

Only thing is,buy a beater for the winter.Too nice a car to have some jughead in an Acura?Nissan etc.etc..
with worn out rear tires to slide into.


At my work the other day we had 2 inches of snow,a young person lost control of thier
Nissan Altima,and slid sideways into a tree.The rear tires were prob 80% worn,the fronts were new snows.

🙁

Car is totaled,the guy is ok,just bruised.

I didn't drive my 1967 Camaro in the winter,except once,we had a freak snowstorm,and I had lent my
old Chevy van to a coworker. Scary drive in the snow with fat rear tires and 400+ horsepower.
Glad it had a 4 speed,so I could start out in 2nd gear to keep from spinning the tires so much.



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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
How about you shave your mullet, shut up for a second, and give it a test drive to see if you like it?

- M4H
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Sounds about right 🙂

I'd take the RSX over the Firebird in a heartbeat!
 
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

If you want a Trans Am, buy a Trans Am.

Only thing is,buy a beater for the winter.Too nice a car to have some jughead in an Acura?Nissan etc.etc..
with worn out rear tires to slide into.
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far more V8's are running bald rears than imports....nice to show the unbiased nature of the post though.


Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
At my work the other day we had 2 inches of snow,a young person lost control of thier
Nissan Altima,and slid sideways into a tree.The rear tires were prob 80% worn,the fronts were new snows.
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young person mentioned because it relates, rear tires at 80% should be ok since the fronts will do more of the stopping....what is the point here? Tons of mustangs and cam'e'ros can be seen here every rainy day on the side of the road all busted up.

 
As the proud owner of a '02 Z28, you're gonna love your TA.

Also, I haven't seen too big of a drop in resale since when I bought it in May of '02, but then I got it out the door for $21K with t-tops, leather, and chrome wheels and optional tires.

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BTW-I had to drive it to work the other day in the rain. That was the first time it's seen rain or been to work with me.
 
Originally posted by: Ketteringo
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
How about you shave your mullet, shut up for a second, and give it a test drive to see if you like it?

- M4H
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Sounds about right 🙂

I'd take the RSX over the Firebird in a heartbeat!
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I wouldn't, and I owned an Integra GSR (the RSX is just the Integra refreshed and renamed) for 5 years. I grew to hate that torqueless cramped overrated POS. The only thing good about was the reliability.
 
Couple twits there who have likely NEVER driven a V8, RWD anything, let alone a performance car. No doubt the OP has drivin several, if not dozens of one lung FWDs.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Couple twits there who have likely NEVER driven a V8, RWD anything, let alone a performance car. No doubt the OP has drivin several, if not dozens of one lung FWDs.
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yep
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Couple twits there who have likely NEVER driven a V8, RWD anything, let alone a performance car. No doubt the OP has drivin several, if not dozens of one lung FWDs.
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camry and contour come to mind lol.
 
I finally settled on a 1997 30th Anniversary modified Camaro Z28 6speed after shopping for a WS6 for about three months a few years ago and coming up short. They're kind of hard to get. The Trans Am with RamAir looks totally awesome - and 6speed is very tough to find. The Z28 already had Borla installed (best exhaust, imo) and the asking price was lower than a non-modified similar Camaro. Borla, though expensive, is the only fully stainless steal exhaust that stays shiny and doesn't rust through like every other F-body exhaust. Since I'm not a woman, I figured I'd take the Z28 even though I think Trans Ams look a lot better.

I had the same kind of sh!t, though.. I had a dealer call and ask if I wanted an automatic V6 Firebird. I had another call and ask if I wanted a V6 Mustang. No, god dammit! I want the 5.7L gas-burning, head turning, tire-tearing power.

I've never lost a red-light race to a Japanese car - except for a 3000GT VR4 once that got a jump on me in the rain (I respect those cars). But Acura?!!? I would tell the dealer to go to hell.


How about you shave your mullet, shut up for a second, and give it a test drive to see if you like it?

- M4H
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Not everyone that drives a Trans Am has a mullet. Not everyone that decides to soup up an Acura Integra is a stickerboy ricer. Often the ones accusing us fans of American cars of having mullets are the ones driving slow four-bangers that are modified to sound more farty.

I've driven an Acura RSX S (though automatic) and it seemed painfully slow. I felt my Dad's 92' Cadillac would own it. The car started to seem sporty around 50mph.. but it just wasn't satisfying to hear it whine like a pussy. Maybe it shines in handling.. but since I was driving a friend's car, I didn't want to push it hard.



I like WS6's / SS's for what they are.... Staight-line, poor handling, gas burning torque monsters... lots of fun! Have you tried hanging out out at LS1 forums and picking up a nice one off there?
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Go check the handling numbers for the 2000+ model years. The stock WS6 has much better skidpad ratings than you'd think. Also, it's pretty damn easy to greaty increase the handling on F-bodies. The F-bodies hover somewhere around 3200lbs.. That's not a heavy car.




 
Originally posted by: brxndxn

I've driven an Acura RSX S (though automatic) and it seemed painfully slow. I felt my Dad's 92' Cadillac would own it. The car started to seem sporty around 50mph.. but it just wasn't satisfying to hear it whine like a pussy. Maybe it shines in handling.. but since I was driving a friend's car, I didn't want to push it hard.
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The RSX-S does not come in automatic.
 
How do you get from a 5.7L 300-350hp something nasty american rear wheel drive monster to a FWD rice burning fart box that probably costs more anyway?!?!?!
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This is why car dealers were recently rated as the least ethical and honest people, of all professions. I have personally found that most of them are either deceitful or stupid, or both. In the case here the guy may have been trying to play you, or he may be simply so fvcking stupid that he doesn't know any better. I've heard so many things out of car dealers that are untrue, and in many cases (most in fact) they are not "lies", because the guy spewing it isn't even aware of what he's saying and how it's not fact. They are generally incompetent and useless. Of the dozen car dealers I've met I can say 1-2 were actually positive, factual people who did not push me around.
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: acemcmac
ummm.... rwd > fwd in all situations except snow and flooding.

end of story
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See above regarding (1) Shutting up and (2) Going to test drive it anyways.

where are you getting the whole mullet thing from anyway? 😕
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2002 Firebird Trans AM with RamAir

- M4H
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I thought I saw a supreme court ruling that mullets could be assumed only for camaros, not firebirds.
 
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