Dude dont bash the blue man group. They are awesome. Visit Boston sometime for a live performance!
Dude dont bash the blue man group. They are awesome. Visit Boston sometime for a live performance!
I encode video a lot
I was able to get an ... *cough* excellent deal on Windows
And I'm considering the move to Linux, the difference is that it has a learning curve while mp3 players are brainless for those bright enough to operate other similar-complexity electronics, such as remote controls and calculators.Again, your subjective opinion, and one shared by a minority of people who listen to both (most just say it's not important to them as they all but hand their wallet to Apple)
More features, and not everyone is still a kid in school for whom price doesn't factor into the decision because their DAP will most likely be paid for by mom & dad
Gooberlx2
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You needed to enable DB mode is the settings for the iRiver. Then it'll navigate via ID3 tags. I have the iRiver, I'm happy with it and, at the time, its battery life (~16 hours) was much better than the iPods and the biggest selling point for me.
Overall, as far as ease-of-use and asthetics go.....iPod is the winner, especially with navigation. Technically the iRiver may sound better, but I doubt that I'd be able to hear the difference. But then, the iRiver plays more formats than the iPod and has voice recording and optical line-in (which, I admit, I never use).
I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my iRiver purchase....but with the newest iPods having better battery life than before, I would re-evaluate my decision if I were to do it again.
[edit] I haven't payed attention to mp3 players since I got my iRiver. That Creative Zen Touch looks totally awesome. Just needs a bigger HDD.
Overall, as far as ease-of-use and asthetics go.....iPod is the winner, especially with navigation. Technically the iRiver may sound better, but I doubt that I'd be able to hear the difference. But then, the iRiver plays more formats than the iPod and has voice recording and optical line-in (which, I admit, I never use).
I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my iRiver purchase....but with the newest iPods having better battery life than before, I would re-evaluate my decision if I were to do it again.
[edit] I haven't payed attention to mp3 players since I got my iRiver. That Creative Zen Touch looks totally awesome. Just needs a bigger HDD.
Originally posted by: Gurck
I encode video a lot
I was able to get an ... *cough* excellent deal on Windows
Again, your subjective opinion, and one shared by a minority of people who listen to both (most just say it's not important to them as they all but hand their wallet to Apple)
More features, and not everyone is still a kid in school for whom price doesn't factor into the decision because their DAP will most likely be paid for by mom & dad
Here, dude. You need some of this.
Originally posted by: Gurck
I sure have, how about you? Click me and read, or just know that a close friend of mine has the misfortune of owning one. Maybe the 4g doesn't have the line-out? Or maybe (since you had no compunction about attacking my integrity and one good turn deserves another) you're lying through your teeth about this and only trying to make the iPod look good before you put a free iClod referral link in your sig or log in with a second account and make a post about it?
FM tuner, among other things
That's your subjective opinion. Mine is that the iRiver sounds far better, and the facts that it has much lower THD (0.04% vs the iPod's 0.42%) & a far more flat frequency response back mine up.
Why pay more for less battery life / fewer features then? I love the "I don't need those extra features" argument, because those making it never comment on the extra price feature the iPod includes without the extra features
This deal was an anomaly, iPods are generally more expensive... although if this is the beginning of the price break iPods need to not be a laughably bad purchase, then Kudos to Apple.
HOLEY FLAMING IDIOT BATMAN!
1. Prove to me that you can differentiate between .42% and .40% THD...actually don't even bother. It is one thing to have KNOWLEDGE. EVALUATING that knowledge, which you are NOT doing, is on a completely different level. Deftron listened to it connected to Axiom's ( not bad at all) and gave a subjective opinion. Yours is also subjective (that THD stuff is hogwash dueing the practical usage). All in all, your opinions are equally as worthless. Deftron has spoken more of real-life comparisons and identified his equipment, so under certain circumstances, I would be inclined to weigh his evaluation more so than opinion of knowledge
2. Battery usage. As an owner of a 4g 40GB Ipod, I can sympathize with complaints about this. Still, Deftron stated that it was an irrelevant characteristic in this instance, and yet you still persist with your lame agenda.
Oh, and your link proves how biased your argument is. Hell, I realize that my DAP might not be the "BESTEST of the best," but it does what I need it to do, and it does it well. I don't need some punk kid telling me how much it sucks because it doesn't have "this" or "that," all of which would be superfluous at best for my usage.
To concluded, the ipod enables me to effectively browse 35GB of on hand music, and I couldn't ask for more.
QUESTION:
What is the point of the color screen if it doesn't play video and is too small to adaquately display pictures?
Or am i missing something?
Gurck is just a softy, and probably a snitch too. I've caught him being a hypocrite atleast 3 times in other iPod threads. Instead of trying to prove me wrong, he tries to turn around my witty comments on me (and fails horribly at it).Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Gurck
I sure have, how about you? Click me and read, or just know that a close friend of mine has the misfortune of owning one. Maybe the 4g doesn't have the line-out? Or maybe (since you had no compunction about attacking my integrity and one good turn deserves another) you're lying through your teeth about this and only trying to make the iPod look good before you put a free iClod referral link in your sig or log in with a second account and make a post about it?
FM tuner, among other things
That's your subjective opinion. Mine is that the iRiver sounds far better, and the facts that it has much lower THD (0.04% vs the iPod's 0.42%) & a far more flat frequency response back mine up.
Why pay more for less battery life / fewer features then? I love the "I don't need those extra features" argument, because those making it never comment on the extra price feature the iPod includes without the extra features
This deal was an anomaly, iPods are generally more expensive... although if this is the beginning of the price break iPods need to not be a laughably bad purchase, then Kudos to Apple.
HOLEY FLAMING IDIOT BATMAN!
1. Prove to me that you can differentiate between .42% and .40% THD...actually don't even bother. It is one thing to have KNOWLEDGE. EVALUATING that knowledge, which you are NOT doing, is on a completely different level. Deftron listened to it connected to Axiom's ( not bad at all) and gave a subjective opinion. Yours is also subjective (that THD stuff is hogwash dueing the practical usage). All in all, your opinions are equally as worthless. Deftron has spoken more of real-life comparisons and identified his equipment, so under certain circumstances, I would be inclined to weigh his evaluation more so than opinion of knowledge
2. Battery usage. As an owner of a 4g 40GB Ipod, I can sympathize with complaints about this. Still, Deftron stated that it was an irrelevant characteristic in this instance, and yet you still persist with your lame agenda.
Oh, and your link proves how biased your argument is. Hell, I realize that my DAP might not be the "BESTEST of the best," but it does what I need it to do, and it does it well. I don't need some punk kid telling me how much it sucks because it doesn't have "this" or "that," all of which would be superfluous at best for my usage.
To concluded, the ipod enables me to effectively browse 35GB of on hand music, and I couldn't ask for more.
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
so what should we do?
A public flogging would be nice, but I have appointments tommorow
[EXAMPLE GURCK REPLY 1]
I think you should be flogged
[/EXAMPLE GURCK REPLY 1]
[EXAMPLE GURCK REPLY 2]
You're just a kid and I'm so much more mature and I'm 28 years old with no life that posts 29 times a day and love to get into arguments with you little kids.
[/EXAMPLE GURCK REPLY 2]
Good call, you sure are a flaming idiot. It's .42% vs. .04%. Notice the zero in the second number. Also, it's spelled "holy". You'll learn this stuff in remedial English & math classes if you ever make it to high school.
Again, reading comprehension comes into question. If you had more skill at this than the average eight-year-old, you'd have read that I've listened to both players.
*sigh* Lack of reading comprehension strikes again. I won't even bother reiterating my point about unnecessary features and how they should correlate to price, as I'm obviously speaking to someone willing to completely disregard logic to defend the player mom & pop bought him for his... 12th? birthday...
Very true, the problem is that other players do it for far less money. In ten years or so when mom & dad no longer provide for you financially, you'll realize the importance of this factor.
Oh, the irony...
PowerMac4Ever, you're admittedly biased toward all things apple (see username) and if using "4" as a word wasn't enough evidence, you freely admit to being a child. You've proven nothing in any other iPod threads other than your age. An especially good example was namecalling and then pronouncing me "owned" (having been called names and not doing so in return).
In short, This thread and others like it is the best argument I could conceive of for an ATOT required age.
In PM4E's defense, (and he knows it's rare), ...
There aren't any character limits when picking a nick for ATF. Carry on.
Wow, this is the second time this moron attacked my user name. Once again:
1. I joined Anandtech forums (when I created my user name) IN DECEMBER OF THE YEAR 2000.
2. I don't have a Mac, haven't had one for a while, I made this clear many times.
One thing I've proven in the iPod threads is how much of a hyprocite this tool is. I've done it time and time before.
You've proven nothing other than a childish propensity for namecalling, and you didn't disappoint here in your last reply. Nothing is stopping you from posting a nick-change request in Forum Issues, other than your affinity for Apple products.
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To the OP: congrats on your iPod, thanks for the useful info.
Gurck: This issue does not merit all of the time you've put into it. Let it go.
Gurck: This issue does not merit all of the time you've put into it. Let it go.
It's been pretty well established that you probably have never seen a 4G ipod and certainly have never listened to one, Gurck. I'm unclear which G you did listen to, but I am absolutely certain it was not the 4G. I have listened to two iriver products. I could easily do what you are doing and compare the slimx to an ipod in sound quality. Guess who wins? Hint... not the one that can't play normal cds properly.
Do you have a source other than a random quote for the 0.42%THD? I just read an article which would seem to indicate that those numbers are made up. Note that this is an article about the 3G ipod.
Stereophile Review of IPOD
Do you have a source other than a random quote for the 0.42%THD? I just read an article which would seem to indicate that those numbers are made up. Note that this is an article about the 3G ipod.
Stereophile Review of IPOD
For a site with no more than a "random quote" it certainly gets a lot of traffic. Google 'ipod sound quality' and see how many times it comes up - also browse the ipod lounge and see how popular it is. What I find most telling is that the site's author is just one more dumbass too dazzled by Apple's ads and the fashion statement having an iPod makes (to low-IQ trend-following nitwits) to see the full importance and sheer number of its downpoints (though unlike most he will at least admit them) - he actually likes the thing. And I believe my friend's is a 3g, I'll ask him but he's not of the technical bent and likely knows no more than that it's an iPod.
But KoolAidKid is probably right, I've said what can be said. If people buy iPods despite having read the factual information I've provided about them, they'll get the crappy player they deserve. I'm done here, even when (not if) PM4E & Goosemaster reply with 'leet' gradeschool insults. In 3.. 2.. 1..
But KoolAidKid is probably right, I've said what can be said. If people buy iPods despite having read the factual information I've provided about them, they'll get the crappy player they deserve. I'm done here, even when (not if) PM4E & Goosemaster reply with 'leet' gradeschool insults. In 3.. 2.. 1..
This is classic. You will trust random people on a forum as a credible source of information, but not someone who is a professional reviewer for a respected audiophile magazine, who provides waveform analysis instead of a random number that could have just been made up. Seriously let's all sit back and laugh at that one.
You have factual information? Please provide it again. Telling people to google and trust random quotes on a forum does not qualify, especially if people on the same forum believe those numbers are made up.
i tried to look on google and was able to find this
http://www.modeemi.fi/~vesas/iPod_Audio.pdf
look at the third graph
if this is his source and he is trying to question the validity of your source that that is laughable
there is just graphs no analysis or test method or anything
and if you look at the main site it is in another language and does not look like it has anything to do with audio at all
lol here is a quote from the front page translated "Modeemi ry is a Computer Club at Tampere University of Technology. We publish books of computer science, deliver computer supplies and public domain software, advice on problems concerning computers and programming, and we have always cold DrPepper." talk about professional audio reviewers :roll:
edit: actually according to that the ipod has one of .042% not .42%
but this is the only reference that seems to have a 42
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