So I got an iPod and an iRiver at the same time

[randomlinh]

it never fails, nearly every single ipod thread... heh.

anyway, glad your happy w/ the ipod, and if its for use in your car only, why not look at the zen or jukebox? or was size still a fairly important concern. And i'm glad I'm not the only one who found that iriver joystick to be the most annoying thing in the world for navigation. as far as the new one goes... color screen is useless I think if it doesn't do video, which from what i saw it didn't.. but correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[enjoi]

Originally posted by: deftron
Been messing around with the iRiver for the last couple days.
First impression, not real great. Looks are decent, kinda cheesy funky though like those newer
boomboxes in Circuit City, plus it rattled a bit from all the buttons, just moving it
around in your hand. Navigation and file browsing really sucks on it. The joystick
feels very cheap. Navigation is by a Windows Explorer type folder structure that is
practically useless since it only shows like half of each filename.

I don't really get this. Mine definetely doesn't rattle, LOL.

I don't really get the problem with navigation, are you guys mentally deficient? Spend a day with it and you'll have it down pat. The file browsing works for me definetely. I put 20 gigs from my collection on there and sort it like this:

Genre/Artist/Album/songs.mp3

Each genre is a folder, and then each artist is a folder within that, then each album is a folder. Works perfectly.

One more point, I'm seeing full filenames on all my songs. Maybe it's because they're tagged but I'm happy here.

 

i can't tell the difference between the 4g ipod and the iriver through headphones
also, the iriver i've tested doesn't rattle, and the navigation is fine on the newer models

i'll be purchasing an iRiver as soon as i can afford it

 

[Excelsior]

Don't mind Gurck, an iPod killed his mother.

 

I love reading these ipod threads.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Gurck
For a site with no more than a "random quote" it certainly gets a lot of traffic. Google 'ipod sound quality' and see how many times it comes up - also browse the ipod lounge and see how popular it is. What I find most telling is that the site's author is just one more dumbass too dazzled by Apple's ads and the fashion statement having an iPod makes (to low-IQ trend-following nitwits) to see the full importance and sheer number of its downpoints (though unlike most he will at least admit them) - he actually likes the thing. And I believe my friend's is a 3g, I'll ask him but he's not of the technical bent and likely knows no more than that it's an iPod.

But KoolAidKid is probably right, I've said what can be said. If people buy iPods despite having read the factual information I've provided about them, they'll get the crappy player they deserve. I'm done here, even when (not if) PM4E & Goosemaster reply with 'leet' gradeschool insults. In 3.. 2.. 1..

This is classic. You will trust random people on a forum as a credible source of information, but not someone who is a professional reviewer for a respected audiophile magazine, who provides waveform analysis instead of a random number that could have just been made up. Seriously let's all sit back and laugh at that one.

You have factual information? Please provide it again. Telling people to google and trust random quotes on a forum does not qualify, especially if people on the same forum believe those numbers are made up.

i tried to look on google and was able to find this

http://www.modeemi.fi/~vesas/iPod_Audio.pdf

look at the third graph

if this is his source and he is trying to question the validity of your source that that is laughable

there is just graphs no analysis or test method or anything

and if you look at the main site it is in another language and does not look like it has anything to do with audio at all

lol here is a quote from the front page translated "Modeemi ry is a Computer Club at Tampere University of Technology. We publish books of computer science, deliver computer supplies and public domain software, advice on problems concerning computers and programming, and we have always cold DrPepper." talk about professional audio reviewers :roll:

edit: actually according to that the ipod has one of .042% not .42%

but this is the only reference that seems to have a 42

I concur - after reading that (terribly organized) analysis, .042 seems to be the THD, not .42, thus making the difference between the iRiver and iPod in sound quality (THD at least) .002
Wow I'm going to go return my iPod right now...

 

[Goosemaster]

Gurck. My antagonism towards your posts was only meant to lash out at you because you seem intent on criticizing people's personal property. The man clearly stated that he liked the Ipod, and you not only criticize the product without reprieve, but also childishly attack the character of the individual who has chosen that product. I am simply attempting to dissuade you from continuing these incendiary comments which serve no purpose but to inflate your already bombastic ego.

I will agree, that technically, ther are other DAP's that are better than the Ipod, be it through sonic or feature-based superiority. It should behoove you and anyone else interested in lively and productive debate to understand that priorities vary from person to person, and any differentiation does not automatically signify error in judgement. Perhaps you would make good use of a microphone or an available FM featurerset, but I would not, and not due to incompetance. As asthetics, I am very fond of my Ipod due to its symbolic properties. As an engineering student, I have great deal of respect for a tight and effective integration of form and function, which I believe the ipod displays very well.

Basically, my goal was not to insult you or even refutiate your claims. I was simply trying to explicate the reality that different people have different tastes, irresspective, of creed, race, intelligence, or knowledge.

I like my ipod, and whatever DAP you have, I truely hope you enjoy it. In the end, that is all one should ask for of such a device, and I feel that my Ipod satisfies my music cravings adaquately.

 

[Gurck]

I only took my gloves off because the OP did first by calling me a liar, though not in so many words.

 

[torpid]

He may have called you a liar for your first post in this thread which contained the usual veiled passive aggressive insults that all anandtechers have mastered. Sorry I mean all anandtechers who don't just do the direct route when it comes to insults.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: Gurck
For a site with no more than a "random quote" it certainly gets a lot of traffic. Google 'ipod sound quality' and see how many times it comes up - also browse the ipod lounge and see how popular it is. What I find most telling is that the site's author is just one more dumbass too dazzled by Apple's ads and the fashion statement having an iPod makes (to low-IQ trend-following nitwits) to see the full importance and sheer number of its downpoints (though unlike most he will at least admit them) - he actually likes the thing. And I believe my friend's is a 3g, I'll ask him but he's not of the technical bent and likely knows no more than that it's an iPod.

But KoolAidKid is probably right, I've said what can be said. If people buy iPods despite having read the factual information I've provided about them, they'll get the crappy player they deserve. I'm done here, even when (not if) PM4E & Goosemaster reply with 'leet' gradeschool insults. In 3.. 2.. 1..

If you can get this worked up over MP3 players, you really don't have enough to do.

 

[BullsOnParade]

Lol, Gurck and his ipod rants. I think every ipod thread i've read, Gurck has managed to put his d#$k in the mashedpotatoes,
can it mate we get the point.

 

[deftron]

Wow ... this turned into a flame war rather quickly.

I agree with everyone else that resident ipod basher is a total moron.

He's complaining about 2nd and 3rd gen ipods when 4th gens are out, and cheaper.

He's listing reviews complaining about sound quality (of a 3rd gen) with 0.02% distortion difference
that was recording using headphones, not a real stereo (a flawed comparison in the first place)

He's obviously never even used or probably seen a 4th gen since he didn't know it only
had headphone jacks.


Anyways, concerning other posts about the iriver rattling, it wasn't like a bad rattle or anything,
just slightly faint, but you could definitely hear it coming from the side buttons and joystick when you moved it.

I didn't think the iriver was the worst thing on earth or anything, I just thought the ipod was
better. I realize that's my opinion, but that's the whole point of reviews.

I didn't try any other players because I didn't want to buy a whole bunch of different players
just to compare them. Originally, I just wanted an iriver, like I said in the review. If I had gotten the
iriver first, I probably would have never bought the ipod and would have been content with the iriver.
however, because I saw the deal on the ipod, I decided to try it out. and I still wanted an iriver, cause
I still felt like it was probably better, so I got one when I saw one for cheap, but compared to the ipod head to head, it didn't hold up. One other player I might have considered was the Zen touch. Jsut didn't see the right deal at the right time.

 

[Koing]

Cool purchase.

I have a 3rd Gen stuff I don't like about it:

Remote is crappy. I really miss my MD remote.

The connector on the remote sticks up vertically but at least they redesigned this when compared to the 2nd gen iPod I sold. Still would be better it was more 'flush' but that would mean the cord would have to come out to the side but that would ruin the design of it.

Battery is 8hrs but the 4th Gen ones are better. BUT my big GRIPE is that the dam thing if not used for 5 or 7 days will run itself flat which REALLY annoys me. Didn't pick this up on any of the reviews I read. I bet the 4th Gen is the same and I highly doubt mine is 'defective'.

Should have the 2nd gen controls layout as that was better. BUT the 4th gen one has it.

Nice thing is the form factor. Nice and small. Good UI and iTune is good but is a right dam hog and does bog down a bit when even resizing the windows on a P4 2.8! Not the latest and greatest but dam it the window lags about when resizing!?!

Price doesn't bothere me so much. A price diff of £100 or so is fine if the product is better for me. I like the form factor the smaller the better for the iPod and memory size. Iriver is too big for me. I don't need extra features but that would be nice but an 'extra' for me. I'd just save the extra money and get something I really wanted. It isn't as if it say £1k more!

Nice comparison.

Koing

 

can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opinion should also be clear enough.

 

[jocycliff]

I basically have both the ipod and iriver. We use an ipod hooked up to a reciever at work. I personally own the iriver. I borrowed the ipod for a while to see which one I wanted to purchase.


My thoughts

ipod- easy navigation and on the fly play list.
iriver easy navigation once you get use to the joystick (a combo use of joystick and remote works the best).

ipod seemed to be one way transfer only and required some sort of software.
iriver was seen as an usb hard dive. Which was my final decision. I take my iriver to the lake with me and can grab any mp3 from anyones laptop I want.

Both sounded fine but the iriver was loud enough to hear over the mower when it came time to mow the lawn.

Really it came down to the iriver being seen as an external HD. I hate how it doesn't have the on the fly playlist (and this almost made me buy an ipod, but it is promised in a future firmware of the iriver).

As for the shortened file name on the iriver. You do know that it scrolls to show the rest of the title and I believe you can change the scroll speed in the settings (don't quote me on that though).

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: gflores
I am favoring the iRiver, but now that you mention about the shortened filenames, I may be reconsidering. My mp3-cd player has that and it bugs the hell out of me. iRiver has the Explorer folder structure. What does the iPod have? Menu? Care to explain or offer a link? Thanks.

Also, how much did each cost?

I have the iRiver, the file nav becomes intuitive after you learn it. It just has a slight learning curve which was quite frustrating at first, but now does not bother me. It was a good buy for me, and I prefer it much more than my friends' iPods. But each to his own, I'm glad your happy with your purchase. I'm just sure if you gave the iRiver more time you would have enjoyed it immensly.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the iRiver scrolls the names if they are too long, don't know why he complained about cut off names :\. And you don't need software to id3tag it.. it detects and use the db function within the player.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opionion should also be clear enough.

I'm sorry but I've tried...I still don't "get you."

By the way, insulting the intelligence of your debatees only shows how immature and unexperienced someone is. Everyone worth a dime knows how fruitless that is, but somehow you fail to grasp such aa [usually] common concept.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opionion should also be clear enough.

I'm sorry but I've tried...I still don't "get you."

By the way, insulting the intelligence of your debatees only shows how immature and unexperienced someone is. Everyone worth a dime knows how fruitless that is, but somehow you fail to grasp such aa [usually] common concept.

I'm insulting no one's intelligence; I'm offering my best guesses as to why someone would resort to namecalling.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opionion should also be clear enough.

I'm sorry but I've tried...I still don't "get you."

By the way, insulting the intelligence of your debatees only shows how immature and unexperienced someone is. Everyone worth a dime knows how fruitless that is, but somehow you fail to grasp such aa [usually] common concept.

I'm insulting no one's intelligence; I'm offering my best guesses as to why someone would resort to namecalling.

assertions can be disasterous.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opionion should also be clear enough.

I'm sorry but I've tried...I still don't "get you."

By the way, insulting the intelligence of your debatees only shows how immature and unexperienced someone is. Everyone worth a dime knows how fruitless that is, but somehow you fail to grasp such aa [usually] common concept.

I'm insulting no one's intelligence; I'm offering my best guesses as to why someone would resort to namecalling.

assertions can be disasterous.

So can truth

 

[deftron]

The truth is out there ....

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opinion should also be clear enough.

Dude, seriously, just give it a rest. You opinion hasn't been credible for a while, if ever. We already know you think the ipod is WAY overpriced (not true) and that it has horrible sound (again not true).

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jntdesign
can the ipod be used to store anything? from what i understand the iRiver can be used as an external hard drive if desired

They both follow the universal mass storage standard, so yes they can, and without any extra software (though you can't drag & drop music onto the iPod and just play it, one of their "ease of use" features, maybe?... ) Afaik no other player does, though some will store files if you have their proprietary software (often windows-only) installed on the computer you're copying to/from.

Thanks, Deftron, for proving your opinion means nothing as you're the type to namecall. I won't go over the intelligence level and age range that generally correllates with that, as I think it's plenty obvious enough, and how that would relate to the credibility of your opionion should also be clear enough.

I'm sorry but I've tried...I still don't "get you."

By the way, insulting the intelligence of your debatees only shows how immature and unexperienced someone is. Everyone worth a dime knows how fruitless that is, but somehow you fail to grasp such aa [usually] common concept.

I'm insulting no one's intelligence; I'm offering my best guesses as to why someone would resort to namecalling.

assertions can be disasterous.

So can truth

truth in an of itself will not aid you in this thread unless it somehow proves that our satisfaction with our ipods is based on false pretenses.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: Gurck
PowerMac4Ever, you're admittedly biased toward all things apple (see username) and if using "4" as a word wasn't enough evidence, you freely admit to being a child. You've proven nothing in any other iPod threads other than your age. An especially good example was namecalling and then pronouncing me "owned" (having been called names and not doing so in return).

In short, This thread and others like it is the best argument I could conceive of for an ATOT required age.

Wow, this is the second time this moron attacked my user name. Once again:

1. I joined Anandtech forums (when I created my user name) IN DECEMBER OF THE YEAR 2000.
2. I don't have a Mac, haven't had one for a while, I made this clear many times.

One thing I've proven in the iPod threads is how much of a hyprocite this tool is. I've done it time and time before.

You've proven nothing other than a childish propensity for namecalling, and you didn't disappoint here in your last reply. Nothing is stopping you from posting a nick-change request in Forum Issues, other than your affinity for Apple products.

First off, I don't have to change my nick for anybody because it is not offensive. Yet you're going out of your way just to insult me because of my nick. Then, when I replied to your moronic attack, your response is that I must change my nick. WTF? I created it 3 years ago! It's just a user name! I don't use a Mac! Chill out! Geeeeeeeez.. WHO CARES?

Remember when you said that you didn't like the ipod's interface, then ten days later you said the ipod's interface was nice? Apple did not change anything at all in those ten days. This is just one example of the many times I've proven you wrong.

I don't even have to waste my time, there are many random people in this thread calling you out for the idiot that you are. Pathetic.

Man I love it when I'm oh so right (all the time)