So are Republicans going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

[Zorkorist]

It's a pretty easy decision for the average voter. Limit Government, and they can't do horrific things like selling aborted baby parts.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Well then you might want to tell that to the republicans here who wish to interfere in our individual freedoms.

Government kills freedom, ivwshane.

Democrats in Government kill freedom only slightly faster than republicans.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The whole experiment of America, was that people would have freedom from Government.

That's dead today.

Government has won.

There are no more individual freedoms.

-John

 

[JSt0rm]

wtf is wrong with you?

 

[Zorkorist]

Do I scare you?

-John

 

[ivwshane]

Do I scare you?

-John

When you are posting no. Because then I know you are at home in front of a computer where you can't hurt anyone but yourself. But when you stop posting, that's when I get scared because then you might be driving drunk and endangering other people's lives. I get scared when you stop posting because I worry that you'll lash out just like many of the anti government nuts who have killed or attempted to kill people in this country.

So by all means, keep posting your spam because while you are as annoying as shit, I know that so long as you spam, Americans will be safe from you.

 

[theeedude]

Outcomes are what matters is simply restating the ends justifies the means. I don't accept that. And remember that a baby not sold is a baby whose remains must be properly disposed; chucking them in the dumpster doesn't work with human remains, and no matter how often one calls them "tissue", these are human remains. Unlike medical cadavers, these aren't processed, they are simply refrigerated until picked up.

If they aren't being donated, they throw fetal remains in a biological waste dumpster that gets picked up by a company that handles this kind of waste and incinerates it. They aren't refrigerated until picked up by the patient. Not sure where you get this stupid idea. Do you really think these clinics have giant fridges sitting there with all the fetuses that were ever aborted and not picked up?

I also have a problem with the abortion provider saying these aborted babies are important for the future of humanity - so buy them, or I'll chunk them in the incinerator. In reality, very few abortion clinics operate human remains incinerators, so it's a question of selling them or paying someone to collect and properly dispose of them.

That is the question though, whether you have a problem with it or not. These remains either get disposed of and incinerated, or they get used for medical research and/or treatments that benefit humanity. It seems like a no
brainer, but because Republicans have politicized this issue, most likely outcome will be these clinics will no longer make fetal tissue available for life saving research, and will simply dispose of it as medical waste. Thanks, GOP.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Do I scare you?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

When you are posting no. Because then I know you are at home in front of a computer where you can't hurt anyone but yourself. But when you stop posting, that's when I get scared because then you might be driving drunk and endangering other people's lives. I get scared when you stop posting because I worry that you'll lash out just like many of the anti government nuts who have killed or attempted to kill people in this country.

So by all means, keep posting your spam because while you are as annoying as shit, I know that so long as you spam, Americans will be safe from you.

Jeezus, the torture you must be under when I don't post.

Am I your everyday?

-John

 

[JulesMaximus]

And IUDs are the only method of birth control? And no one else can write prescriptions for such things but Planned Parenthood?

And young women can always go to their parents for a prescription for birth control pills... because they're always so open minded and willing to talk about stuff like this and stuff... :whiste:

 

[HomerJS]

wE REALLY WOULDNT MISS THE GOVERMENT ALL ESSENTIAL WOULD STILL RUN..........

So you are ok with the extra 24 billion the last shutdown cost the US economy?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/the-costs-of-the-government-shutdown/

 

[Sonikku]

It's a pretty easy decision for the average voter. Limit Government, and they can't do horrific things like selling aborted baby parts.

-John

Limit Government, and they'll be able to do whatever they damn well please to make a buck. Did you ever consider that?

 

[Jaskalas]

So are Republicans going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

So are Democrats going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

All they have to do is not block the majority on the spending bill, and then vote on their pet items separately. You don't have to hold the country hostage for baby parts.

 

[theeedude]

So are Democrats going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

All they have to do is not block the majority on the spending bill, and then vote on their pet items separately. You don't have to hold the country hostage for baby parts.

The federal funds don't go to abortion. So GOP would be shutting down the federal government for nothing. As usual. The party just can't govern.

 

[shira]

Yeah. If only we could kill everyone who might make their family suffer. It's so easy.

I suppose your parents never suffered to support you. You just came out the womb potty-trained, eating solid foods, and gainfully employed.

Let's bring this back on topic, shall we. The facts:

1) With rare exceptions (the mother's life is at risk unless an abortion is performed), no federal money pays for abortions at PP.
2) Federal money for PP pays for contraception, cancer screenings, and testing and treatment for STDs.
3) PP's sale of fetal tissue is completely legal and is tightly regulated, and these regulations allow the fees charged by PP for fetal tissue to cover only PP's costs for preparing/preserving the tissue - no profit is allowed.
4) It is widely know that PP is often the only organization providing family-planning services to a community. Thus, eliminating federal funds for PP would not affect PP's abortion services at all (since those are independenly funded) nor the sale of fetal tissue, but - in severely curtailing PP's non-abortion-related services - would have the perverse effect of raising the number of unintended pregnancies in these communities and, in turn, raise the number of abortions.

Is it possible for the right to sink any lower than this, to be so inflamed by their irrational hatred for "evil PP" that they would cause MORE abortions to be performed in the name of fighting abortions?

 

[theeedude]

Mitch McConnel is going to shut down the US government because PP is following the law that he voted for?

 

[Vic]

Hows that?

Federal funding of abortion has been prohibited by the Hyde amendment since 1976. Not one penny of federal funding to Planned Parenthood pays for abortion.

 

[JSt0rm]

So are Democrats going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

All they have to do is not block the majority on the spending bill, and then vote on their pet items separately. You don't have to hold the country hostage for baby parts.

If the dems dont give the republacns what they want and the republicans refuse to move a budget forward its the dems fault for not giving the republicans what they want?

Thats your logic?

 

[Wreckem]

So does Walgreen's.

Birth control requires a prescription from a Dr.

PP will give a qualifying women a well woman exam and the birth control for next to nothing. Walgreens doesn't provide prescriptions for birth control.

As of Texas passage trying to limit abortions, they successfully closed down all but 5 PPs in Texas leaving the majority of low income women with little access to reproductive healthcare services. Thats what the GOP wants to do to the entire country.They do not care about low income individuals.

 

[Wreckem]

http://plannedparenthood.tumblr.com/post/28521852221/how-much-does-an-iud-cost


No insurance. $500 to $900.

That doesn't sound very free.

For low income women IUDs are generally fairly cheap if they qualify for medicaid or their state has a separate women's health program. Texas had a separate women's health program. The majority of the money ended up in PP hands so they had to pass a law to specifically prevent that. They claimed that private practices/clinics would come in and fill the need. ~4 years later that still hasn't come close to happening.

 

[Brainonska511]

For low income women IUDs are generally fairly cheap if they qualify for medicaid or their state has a separate women's health program. Texas had a separate women's health program. The majority of the money ended up in PP hands so they had to pass a law to specifically prevent that. They claimed that private practices/clinics would come in and fill the need. ~4 years later that still hasn't come close to happening.

Pro-life for before you're born and after you're a vegetable. Anything in between: tough shit, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

 

[Jaskalas]

If the dems dont give the republacns what they want and the republicans refuse to move a budget forward its the dems fault for not giving the republicans what they want?

Thats your logic?

It'd be the Republican's fault for voting no in opposition of the budget.
This case is the opposite of your scenario.

Democrats should vote yes for the budget, whether Planned Parenthood is on it or not.

 

[CitizenKain]

So are Democrats going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

All they have to do is not block the majority on the spending bill, and then vote on their pet items separately. You don't have to hold the country hostage for baby parts.

It isn't the democrats fault that republicans are this stupid.

 

[Jhhnn]

Federal funding of abortion has been prohibited by the Hyde amendment since 1976. Not one penny of federal funding to Planned Parenthood pays for abortion.

They've also received federal funding since 1970 as part of a broad program to improve women's health. Due in part to their efforts, the abortion rate is at its lowest since 1973-

This is one of the places where Repub efforts run counter to the goal of reducing abortions, kinda like abstinence only sex-ed & teen pregnancy.


Never accuse Righties of having any sense about anything sexual, ever.

 

[nickqt]

It'd be the Republican's fault for voting no in opposition of the budget.
This case is the opposite of your scenario.

Democrats should vote yes for the budget, whether Planned Parenthood is on it or not.

This is a totally brand new behavior by politicians and Democrats have to totally do whatever Republicans say otherwise they'll get blamed for the resulting screw up!

Get a grip.

This is typical politics as has been played by the (R)eactionary party for going on two decades now. Go ahead, cheer it on outloud, no one is confused about the procedurals here, except perhaps most of your team.