So are Republicans going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

[piasabird]

Maybe the government will put you all in concentrations camps. That would be government at work.

 

[JockoJohnson]

This looks like a very biased, partisan, uninformed post. And, it appears that the Republicans are banking on people remaining as ignorant as you were when you made this post. I see later in this thread, you've back-pedaled a bit. I'm curious why anyone should take your opinion on this seriously when this post indicates how grossly misinformed you are. Your post is a perfect example of how pathetic certain sectors of our society have become - zero fact checking.

However, if the Republicans start pushing this more and more, the reality of this matter will start to be noticed by more and more people.
1. 3% of their services are abortion related.
2. Absolutely ZERO percent of federal dollars are used for abortion related purposes.

I think it's a losing proposition for Republicans to continue down this path.

That you think they should drop abortion services altogether is like saying to an auto shop, "I think you should fix everything except brakes. If someone comes here for auto services, you should send them somewhere else for brakes." I mean, how shortsighted does one have to be to think that a place specializing in reproductive services should limit themselves in that way?


But, ZERO percent is from federal tax dollars, by law. It's been that way since the 1970s.

How can the federal gov't send money to PP without any of it being used for abortions? If PP provides services and have them partially funded by the gov't, wouldn't that allow PP to push more of their own money to help support those who can't afford to pay for their own abortions? In essence, the gov't is freeing up money for PP so that they could allocate more to supporting abortions.

Hopefully I am phrasing it right that someone could explain this better and explain how gov't funding isn't being used to aid PP in abortions.

 

[JD50]

How can the federal gov't send money to PP without any of it being used for abortions? If PP provides services and have them partially funded by the gov't, wouldn't that allow PP to push more of their own money to help support those who can't afford to pay for their own abortions? In essence, the gov't is freeing up money for PP so that they could allocate more to supporting abortions.

Hopefully I am phrasing it right that someone could explain this better and explain how gov't funding isn't being used to aid PP in abortions.

Lets say you budget $100 a month for groceries and $100 a month for dinner out. You want to eat out more so your wife gets a part time job paying $50 a month. Now you spend $100 a month for groceries and $150 a month on dinner out. Your wife's extra income isn't going towards groceries, it's going towards eating dinner out, even though it all goes into and out of the same bank account.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Lets say you budget $100 a month for groceries and $100 a month for dinner out. You want to eat out more so your wife gets a part time job paying $50 a month. Now you spend $100 a month for groceries and $150 a month on dinner out. Your wife's extra income isn't going towards groceries, it's going towards eating dinner out, even though it all goes into and out of the same bank account.

That's kind of what I figured. If what you say is accurate, then the gov't is technically funding abortions. Funding one portion frees up money that can be used to support another portion of the company. All funny money. So does anyone have anything to contradict this?

And in case anyone asks, I am fine with abortions. I am not against them. It is a necessary evil. We are better off as a society to have them.

 

[dank69]

That's kind of what I figured. If what you say is accurate, then the gov't is technically funding abortions. Funding one portion frees up money that can be used to support another portion of the company. All funny money. So does anyone have anything to contradict this?

And in case anyone asks, I am fine with abortions. I am not against them. It is a necessary evil. We are better off as a society to have them.

I assume the money that comes in is earmarked for specific things. The money used to do abortions must come from other sources. Think of it like you want a new video card so you perform sexual favors for cash until you have enough money for it. You didn't free up more money for groceries. You raised extra money specifically for the card.

 

[theeedude]

That chart doesn't appear to say anything about how they spend their funds. It shows the breakdown in terms of "number of services" provided. So basically, they provided 11 million "services" to roughly 3 million people, and roughly 3% of those "services" were abortions. That doesn't tell us anything about how the budget is actually spent, and we also don't know what constitutes a "service".

It's hard to find good numbers because it's such a polarized issue and there's a lot of fud and misinformation provided by anti and pro groups. As near as I can tell, roughly 15% of PP funding (from all sources) is used for abortions.

Still McDonald's comparison breaks down, since McDonalds is not doing 15% burgers and 85% salads.

 

[JockoJohnson]

I assume the money that comes in is earmarked for specific things. The money used to do abortions must come from other sources. Think of it like you want a new video card so you perform sexual favors for cash until you have enough money for it. You didn't free up more money for groceries. You raised extra money specifically for the card.

Damn, how'd you know that's what I had to do for my video card?

Thank you. In an odd way, that made more sense to me and does explain how the gov't can fund part of the services but not others and still have it be legit.

 

[dank69]

Damn, how'd you know that's what I had to do for my video card?

Thank you. In an odd way, that made more sense to me and does explain how the gov't can fund part of the services but not others and still have it be legit.

We all have to do it for our video cards.

 

[JSt0rm]

The problem is the republican base sees a government shutdown as a bonus.

 

[nickqt]

Yet the voter memories were so long that they punished the Republicans during the 2014 electinos^_^

The Republican party curbstomped in the 2014 elections, winning 51% of the votes cast by the whole 35% of the population that came out.

Have fun in 2016!

 

[Balt]

The problem is the republican base sees a government shutdown as a bonus.

Of course, and in part that's because most of the government actually kept running during the last 'shutdown'. This allowed idiots to pretend like there was a shutdown and that there was absolutely no downside.

 

[sportage]

One thing is clear, it wouldn't take republicans very long to trash the entire US recovery if they regained control of all three branches. And trashing the entire US government would not matter one bit, for them, in order to meet their social agenda.
As long as business and that top 1% is protected and feels no pain, everything else is up for grabs.
Democrats are the one single thing protecting the middle class, trying to help and support its growth. And Obama is the one president that has tried to assist the middle class as much as humanly possible, considering objections at every turn from republican a controlled congress.
Maybe the GDP rate growth isn't as great as one would hope, and maybe employment could be even higher, and maybe ISIS could be contained more effectively, maybe....
BUT... no republican presidential candidate NOT ONE is going to give up on the republican ideology of trickle down economics and more war involvement throughout the world if given the chance.
All at the expense of the middle class.

And when the going gets rough?
Republicans will claim cutting the social safety nets, giving that top 1% further tax cuts to improve that trickle down, and going to war, is the answer for everything.
Social security? Zip! Affordable and accessible healthcare? Zip! Employment recovery? Zip! Medicare? Zip!
Zip! Zip! Zip!
Everything good for the middle class, they will say, is the cause of all evil.
And the safety nets blamed for why their trickle down tactics keep failing to produce.

Now, even Donald Trump claims he too would shut down the entire US government simply to make still another ideological point.
That is not good business.
Trump may be good at business, but running the US government is also a business.
And Donald has no idea how that business works.
Just because Trump can successfully run a hotel or golf course, don't believe Donald has one clue on how to run the economy of an entire country.
And remember... Nero fiddled as Rome burned. So why would Donald be any different?

 

[First]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183434/americans-choose-pro-choice-first-time-seven-years.aspx

Silly debate.

 

[Fern]

Planned Parenthood is unnecessary except for providing govt funded abortions. There's a ton of other govt funded health care clinics, far more than PP and they do everything and more than PP except one thing.

PP exists for one reason only, we all know it.

Fern

 

[theeedude]

Planned Parenthood is unnecessary except for providing govt funded abortions. There's a ton of other govt funded health care clinics, far more than PP and they do everything and more than PP except one thing.

PP exists for one reason only, we all know it.

Fern

Wrong from beginning to end. Consistency!

 

[nickqt]

Planned Parenthood is unnecessary except for providing govt funded abortions. There's a ton of other govt funded health care clinics, far more than PP and they do everything and more than PP except one thing.

PP exists for one reason only, we all know it.

Fern

Everything you said is incorrect.

Thanks for sharing your delusional beliefs with the group.

 

[feralkid]

Planned Parenthood is unnecessary except for providing govt funded abortions. There's a ton of other govt funded health care clinics, far more than PP and they do everything and more than PP except one thing.

PP exists for one reason only, we all know it.

Fern

Fern, you've really jumped the shark.

 

[First]

Planned Parenthood is unnecessary except for providing govt funded abortions. There's a ton of other govt funded health care clinics, far more than PP and they do everything and more than PP except one thing.

PP exists for one reason only, we all know it.

Fern

Yikes.

Fern, you've really jumped the shark.

Yeah it's sad.

 

[First]

Also, of note in the abortion polls in this country; nearly 80% in the Gallup poll previously listed say they believe some form of abortion should be legal, be it those who said it should be legal in "any circumstances, "most circumstances" or "only a few circumstances".

No question Americans feel like abortion itself, as an idea, has validity that the fringe 20% of pro-lifers will never understand.

 

[JD50]

That's kind of what I figured. If what you say is accurate, then the gov't is technically funding abortions. Funding one portion frees up money that can be used to support another portion of the company. All funny money. So does anyone have anything to contradict this?

And in case anyone asks, I am fine with abortions. I am not against them. It is a necessary evil. We are better off as a society to have them.

I have no idea how you got that out of what I wrote. In my example groceries=abortion and dinner=other services. Your wife's part time job isn't paying for more groceries(abortions), it's paying for more nights out (other services).

 

[JD50]

Planned Parenthood is unnecessary except for providing govt funded abortions. There's a ton of other govt funded health care clinics, far more than PP and they do everything and more than PP except one thing.

PP exists for one reason only, we all know it.

Fern

Please provide examples of government funded abortions.

 

[bozack]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fi...-to-intact-fetuses/ar-BBlogDo?ocid=spartandhp

New video out, talks about altering procedures to get whole fetuses and PP isn't saying a word...tell me again how this is ok?

 

[Newell Steamer]

You know, I joke around when I mock conservatives that we liberals eat aborted fetuses,.. but, I honestly feel some of you really do believe we eat aborted fetuses.

 

[bozack]

You know, I joke around when I mock conservatives that we liberals eat aborted fetuses,.. but, I honestly feel some of you really do believe we eat aborted fetuses.

Regardless of how edited these movies are reported to be its very clear how cold and calculating those featured are when it comes to the business of terminating life...whats worse is purposely deviating from procedures and standards to get a better more complete specimen

 

[glenn1]

You know, I joke around when I mock conservatives that we liberals eat aborted fetuses,.. but, I honestly feel some of you really do believe we eat aborted fetuses.

Why are you getting squeamish about it all of a sudden? It's just a bunch of meat after all, just pretend it's some obscure ethnic food you haven't tried before. Have some more heirloom tomato non-GMO ketchup with them if you must. After all like your side says you're saving us the cost of supporting yet more unwanted future welfare babies that would vote Democratic someday anyway.

Please find a less offensive way to employ sarcasm.

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