So are Republicans going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood?

[fskimospy]

He specifically voted to allow harvesting fetal tissue for research:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...e-donations-abortion_55b28329e4b0074ba5a479d1

Vote for something, then throw a fit when what you voted for happens.

Ahh, interesting.

It's sad that things like this have become controversial again considering how many thousands of lives have been saved through research this made possible. (maybe tens of thousands, hundreds, millions of lives?)

 

[Jaskalas]

If conservatives want to put up an honest vote the bill would make fetal tissue research illegal.

Or maybe cut the ties between abortion provider and profit for parts.

 

[DrPizza]

Ahh, interesting.

It's sad that things like this have become controversial again considering how many thousands of lives have been saved through research this made possible. (maybe tens of thousands, hundreds, millions of lives?)

People seem to think that if we donate enough dollars, one at a time in the check-out line at the store, we'll cure diseases such as Muscular Dystrophy. They apparently seem completely disconnected with what, besides dollars, is necessary for some of that research.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Or maybe cut the ties between abortion provider and profit for parts.

I keep seeing this for profit claim. Can you link to any evidence of this being the case since the law itself prohibits that?

 

[theeedude]

Ahh, interesting.

It's sad that things like this have become controversial again considering how many thousands of lives have been saved through research this made possible. (maybe tens of thousands, hundreds, millions of lives?)

Polio and Rubella are among vaccines developed using fetal research.

 

[Blackjack200]

Polio and Rubella are among vaccines developed using fetal research.

Polio and Rubella were not really a big deal though.

Wondering why this was not a bigger issue when Bush banned stem cell research, seems in the same vein?

 

[CitizenKain]

Or maybe cut the ties between abortion provider and profit for parts.

I know that you are a dishonest person and have no concept of what the truth is, but no matter how much you repeat a lie, it doesn't become true.

 

[glenn1]

Or maybe cut the ties between abortion provider and profit for parts.

It's just meat, why shouldn't they? It's a Modest Proposal for today's progressive generation. Indeed they should be having African-American fetus ribeyes every night to ensure none of the valuable product goes to waste. Heck, maybe with the right sponsors we can actively sponsor poors abortions high enough that they go below replacement rates and solve our welfare problem for us.

A most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout."

 

[Blackjack200]

It's just meat, why shouldn't they? It's a Modest Proposal for today's progressive generation. Indeed they should be having African-American fetus ribeyes every night to ensure none of the valuable product goes to waste. Heck, maybe with the right sponsors we can actively sponsor poors abortions high enough that they go below replacement rates and solve our welfare problem for us.

Keep going, and continue to wonder why women won't vote R.

 

[theeedude]

Polio and Rubella were not really a big deal though.

Wondering why this was not a bigger issue when Bush banned stem cell research, seems in the same vein?

Polio and Rubella were a bigger deal than making sure fetal remains get fully incinerated instead of being used for research.

 

[glenn1]

Keep going, and continue to wonder why women won't vote R.

Heck, I'm all for accommodating women. I'd even support allowing abortion for poors at 400 weeks gestation. Black lives matter, which is why something like abortion which reduces the amount of them by so much is to be supported.

 

[Jaskalas]

I keep seeing this for profit claim. Can you link to any evidence of this being the case since the law itself prohibits that?

I believe your notion of what's prohibited would be in reference to the patient, not the provider. And the claim that they're making money off parts comes directly from the videos and thus PP themselves.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I believe your notion of what's prohibited would be in reference to the patient, not the provider. And the claim that they're making money off parts comes directly from the videos and thus PP themselves.

No I've read the transcripts myself and they make it perfectly clear they are not doing it for profit. Can you provide actual evidence of your claim?

 

[Jaskalas]

No I've read the transcripts myself and they make it perfectly clear they are not doing it for profit. Can you provide actual evidence of your claim?

Does Planned Parenthood deny selling body parts?
That'd be quite incredulous after the videos.

How about the woman haggling over the price because she'd like a Lamborghini?

 

[fskimospy]

Does Planned Parenthood deny selling body parts?
That'd be quite incredulous after the videos.

How about the woman haggling over the price because she'd like a Lamborghini?

You understand the difference between recouping costs and selling for profit, right?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Does Planned Parenthood deny selling body parts?
That'd be quite incredulous after the videos.

How about the woman haggling over the price because she'd like a Lamborghini?

So I notice you still aren't offering any evidence to support your claim. Can you actually provide something that demonstrates what you are saying? I can provide you direct quotes from transcripts put out by the Center for Medical Progress who made the video that contradicts your statement.

 

[HomerJS]

Or maybe cut the ties between abortion provider and profit for parts.

Middleman makes the "profit" Money PP gets covers costs. PP does not make profit

 

[CitizenKain]

Does Planned Parenthood deny selling body parts?
That'd be quite incredulous after the videos.

How about the woman haggling over the price because she'd like a Lamborghini?

Did you complete high school? Because you don't seem to have a grasp on how context works.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

A lot of low income women get their basic and preventative health care at PP. It's a great organization, and we should be increasing its funding, not cutting it. And certainly not shutting down the government to defund it because it facilitated their patients donating fetal tissue to life saving research. How can you call yourself pro-life if you would rather this tissue be discarded than used to save lives? __________________

Here is a list of services offered by PP in Virginia" http://plannedparenthood.org/health-center/VA/

The services PP provided are clearly stated. Referrals to clinics, hospitals etc. for other services, for ex mammograms, are also provided. Contrary to left wing rhetoric, PP does NOT provide all health services for women...at least not in Virginia. You might want to research your state's PP services and see what services are actually available at PP.

Abortion is not the issue...the illegal sale and harvesting of human body parts/fetal tissue for profit is. It does not matter if the videos were edited. The statements made by the PP personnel were not cut or spliced. The haggling over prices seems to confirm a "for profit" motive. It is also a federal crime to alter an abortion procedure for the sole purpose of obtaining fetal tissue or body parts.

IF PP or some PP clinics are doing this, they need to be investigated. Unfortunately, under this admin, enforcement of Fed law seems to be arbitrary, depending on which laws the prevailing ideology likes or dislikes...but that is another topic.

IMO the callous immoral discussion on how to best slice up an unborn child fot profit (or "fetal tissue" if you prefer that euphemism) is disgusting. FYI, contrary to leftist claims, abortion rights or women's health is NOT the issue here. The issue is whether PP is engaged in illegal activities or not. I would think anyone regardless of ideology would want an investigation, either to stop illegal activities or exonerate PP from wrong doing.

As to defunding PP, I do not believe this organization should be funded by the taxpayers; there are certainly many other philanthropists and organizations that could help fund PP if they need the money. Personally, I am not anti abortion but I think since PP is a main source for abortions, and taxpayers should not be obligated to fund them.

The Wife

 

[ivwshane]

Here is a list of services offered by PP in Virginia" http://plannedparenthood.org/health-center/VA/

The services PP provided are clearly stated. Referrals to clinics, hospitals etc. for other services, for ex mammograms, are also provided. Contrary to left wing rhetoric, PP does NOT provide all health services for women...at least not in Virginia. You might want to research your state's PP services and see what services are actually available at PP.

Whats your point? Did you bother to check what services they provide across the country?

Abortion is not the issue...the illegal sale and harvesting of human body parts/fetal tissue for profit is. It does not matter if the videos were edited. The statements made by the PP personnel were not cut or spliced. The haggling over prices seems to confirm a "for profit" motive. It is also a federal crime to alter an abortion procedure for the sole purpose of obtaining fetal tissue or body parts.

IF PP or some PP clinics are doing this, they need to be investigated. Unfortunately, under this admin, enforcement of Fed law seems to be arbitrary, depending on which laws the prevailing ideology likes or dislikes...but that is another topic.

IMO the callous immoral discussion on how to best slice up an unborn child fot profit (or "fetal tissue" if you prefer that euphemism) is disgusting. FYI, contrary to leftist claims, abortion rights or women's health is NOT the issue here. The issue is whether PP is engaged in illegal activities or not. I would think anyone regardless of ideology would want an investigation, either to stop illegal activities or exonerate PP from wrong doing.

As to defunding PP, I do not believe this organization should be funded by the taxpayers; there are certainly many other philanthropists and organizations that could help fund PP if they need the money. Personally, I am not anti abortion but I think since PP is a main source for abortions, and taxpayers should not be obligated to fund them.

The Wife

Shall I put together a highly edited video of you and a random person that appears to show you cheating on your spouse and show it to them? Should your spouse have you investigated or start divorce proceedings? Clearly time and money should be spent clearing your name. Oh but congress isn't doing any investigation and instead they are going straight for the defunding.

 

[CitizenKain]

Here is a list of services offered by PP in Virginia" http://plannedparenthood.org/health-center/VA/

The services PP provided are clearly stated. Referrals to clinics, hospitals etc. for other services, for ex mammograms, are also provided. Contrary to left wing rhetoric, PP does NOT provide all health services for women...at least not in Virginia. You might want to research your state's PP services and see what services are actually available at PP.

Abortion is not the issue...the illegal sale and harvesting of human body parts/fetal tissue for profit is. It does not matter if the videos were edited. The statements made by the PP personnel were not cut or spliced. The haggling over prices seems to confirm a "for profit" motive. It is also a federal crime to alter an abortion procedure for the sole purpose of obtaining fetal tissue or body parts.

IF PP or some PP clinics are doing this, they need to be investigated. Unfortunately, under this admin, enforcement of Fed law seems to be arbitrary, depending on which laws the prevailing ideology likes or dislikes...but that is another topic.

IMO the callous immoral discussion on how to best slice up an unborn child fot profit (or "fetal tissue" if you prefer that euphemism) is disgusting. FYI, contrary to leftist claims, abortion rights or women's health is NOT the issue here. The issue is whether PP is engaged in illegal activities or not. I would think anyone regardless of ideology would want an investigation, either to stop illegal activities or exonerate PP from wrong doing.

As to defunding PP, I do not believe this organization should be funded by the taxpayers; there are certainly many other philanthropists and organizations that could help fund PP if they need the money. Personally, I am not anti abortion but I think since PP is a main source for abortions, and taxpayers should not be obligated to fund them.

The Wife

Its not for profit you dipshit. Can you righties maybe fucking learn what words mean so we don't have to keep explaining things to your like you are a stupid children?

It costs money to ship medical material, they are negotiating covering their costs to this, so they aren't out on their ass.

 

[nickqt]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fi...-to-intact-fetuses/ar-BBlogDo?ocid=spartandhp

New video out, talks about altering procedures to get whole fetuses and PP isn't saying a word...tell me again how this is ok?

Regardless of how edited these movies are reported to be its very clear how cold and calculating those featured are when it comes to the business of terminating life...whats worse is purposely deviating from procedures and standards to get a better more complete specimen

It's funny how this is all scripted.

They leak a little bit at a time.

Not because there's any illegal activities or wrongdoing, but because it keeps people like you outraged.

 

[nickqt]

Heck, I'm all for accommodating women. I'd even support allowing abortion for poors at 400 weeks gestation. Black lives matter, which is why something like abortion which reduces the amount of them by so much is to be supported.

At least you're finally being honest with your bigotry. Doesn't it get tired hiding it, or dog-whistling it for people you trust are fellow tribe members?

Let it out. It's ok.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Shall I put together a highly edited video of you and a random person that appears to show you cheating on your spouse and show it to them? S

I suppose if I said...unedited...."where shall we meet for sex, your place or mine?" then hubby might become a tad suspicious. If you can show the place(s) in the videos where the actual words of PP reps were cut and spliced, then yeah, you night have a point. However, what remains unclear is PP profiting from the tissue samples or merely covering expenses. Also, it IS illegal to alter an abortion procedure solely for the purpose of obtaining specimens for research.

"In 1993, a law pertaining to federally funded NIH research was enacted that allows donation of fetal tissue from induced abortions if certain criteria are met. These include that the woman donating is not aware of the recipients of the tissue, and that the abortion timing, procedures or method itself would not be altered for the sole purpose of obtaining the tissue". (Fact Check)

Do I think congress should shut down the govt. over this? NO! Do I think the govt. should stop using tax payer funds for PP? YES, and for other reasons besides this one issue.

 

[ivwshane]

I suppose if I said...unedited...."where shall we meet for sex, your place or mine?" then hubby might become a tad suspicious. If you can show the place(s) in the videos where the actual words of PP reps were cut and spliced, then yeah, you night have a point. However, what remains unclear is PP profiting from the tissue samples or merely covering expenses. Also, it IS illegal to alter an abortion procedure solely for the purpose of obtaining specimens for research.

"In 1993, a law pertaining to federally funded NIH research was enacted that allows donation of fetal tissue from induced abortions if certain criteria are met. These include that the woman donating is not aware of the recipients of the tissue, and that the abortion timing, procedures or method itself would not be altered for the sole purpose of obtaining the tissue". (Fact Check)

Do I think congress should shut down the govt. over this? NO! Do I think the govt. should stop using tax payer funds for PP? YES, and for other reasons besides this one issue.

If you watched the unedited films or read the transcripts you'd have your answers and the context of the discussion but we both know you couldn't care less about anything that affects your bubble. You've already admitted that you'd like to see the government not fund PP for other reasons so this story is just more confirmation of your beliefs, facts be damned!