"Sikh student detained by Secret Service"

[nageov3t]

did anyone else read the headline as "sith student detained by secret service"?

or have I just been playing too much KotOR.

 

[Wahsapa]

Originally posted by: loki8481
did anyone else read the headline as "sith student detained by secret service"?

or have I just been playing too much KotOR.

it was a mind trick from the dark side

and yes, lay of the KotOR, for all our sakes

 

[CarpeDeo]

I understand the injustice that was done to him especially 'cuz it was just based oh physical appearances, but nonetheless the gov't will take extreme measures for defensive reasons in light of all that's been happening around the world lately regarding terrorism.

I'm not saying that it's right . . . but gov't works off a "better safe than sorry" policy when it comes to terrorism.

Imagine if the Sikh student DID turn out to be a terrorist . . . well- we'd be applauding and praising the SS for a job well done. We'd never say, "How dare the SS interrogate the kid just for taking pictures". So often- we allow the ends to justify the means. If the kid isn't a terrorist, then bad SS. If the kid is a terrorist, then good SS . . . regardless of the reason of WHY they interrogated him.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Great posts, DigDug! :beer:

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not even going to touch this one.

 

[civad]

originally posted by: MeanMoesh
i think that some very careful racial profiling is ok and i'm indian. i've been racially profiled before (i was going to an engineering conference with 14 of my engineering friends who were white / black / asian friends and i was the only person to get pulled aside and be personally searched (pulled aside, frisked, and they made me take my shoes off and scanned through the x-ray machines) as well as have my pack-away (not carry-on) bag fully searched - this happened at all 4 of the airports where we were boarding planes) which is really odd cause i'm south indian. the difference between just south and north indians is really obvious, let alone the difference between south indian and middle eastern.

As someone who is also from India and gets questioned at airports invariably, here's what I do:

a. Wear the smellisest socks possible. If they make you take off your shoes and the whole area stinks, its not my problem.
b. Some wiseasses ask me if I know Arabic. I tell them I know sHindi, Marathi, Gujrati ,German andEnglish already, and I dont want to learn any more.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

LOL whatever.

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

a good read

 

[phantom309]

Last year in Atlanta a dark-skinned, bearded man (who was Jewish and 100% American) was detained and questioned by FBI agents - someone reported him when they saw him reading a Hal Crowther article in a Marietta coffee shop.

 

[athithi]

They didn't question the Muslim Saudi Arabian?!!! :Q IMO, racial profiling failed right there. Not one of the 19 hijackers wore a turban or muslim clothes. Americans seem to have got stuck with the images of bin Laden and his followers in distant Afghanistan. It takes a very simple mind to conclude that turban = muslim = terrorist. The only people here with simpler minds than Isekii, Isshinryu, BiffBacon et al are the ones that thought this was about political correctness :roll: The SS missed questioning an individual with a greater likelihood of being a terrorist. Doesn't that get through your thick skulls? :|

 

[TiziteLayinLow]

im not against them - im against the terrorists.. it just so happens THATS WHERE ALOT OF THEM ARE! and i realize the iraqies are scarred of the terrorists and al quida but they need to speak up and tell us where they are, and stop letting them hide on their ground! i have buddies in iraq and one of them came back a few days ago and showed me pictures, and they arent the only ones getting their legs blown off and whatever else.

and one more thing.. ill tell you what, ill go join the military and fight for a good cause, and you get your as.s back over to your communist country where you belong! if you hate the USA so bad- GET THE F.U.C K OUT! im tired of all these people putting our coutry down.. did you somehow forget that we are #1?? wah wah wah wah.. get out, seriously, go over there and worship who you are made to worship, dont have opportunities, h3ll dont even have an opinion, and then complain about what we are doing.

 

[SP33Demon]

The Secret Service should detain anyone for taking pictures in a suspicious manner, if they detain this guy. While I commend the SS for doing their job, they did go overboard for questioning him for 5 hours... maybe a half hour would have been more appropriate. I would expect the SS to do the same to anyone NOT wearing a turban as well, and I'm sure they have. You don't have to be wearing a turban to be categorized as "suspicious", something many posters are forgetting.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: TiziteLayinLow
im not against them - im against the terrorists.. it just so happens THATS WHERE ALOT OF THEM ARE! and i realize the iraqies are scarred of the terrorists and al quida but they need to speak up and tell us where they are, and stop letting them hide on their ground! i have buddies in iraq and one of them came back a few days ago and showed me pictures, and they arent the only ones getting their legs blown off and whatever else.

and one more thing.. ill tell you what, ill go join the military and fight for a good cause, and you get your as.s back over to your communist country where you belong! if you hate the USA so bad- GET THE F.U.C K OUT! im tired of all these people putting our coutry down.. did you somehow forget that we are #1?? wah wah wah wah.. get out, seriously, go over there and worship who you are made to worship, dont have opportunities, h3ll dont even have an opinion, and then complain about what we are doing.

Who is your moronic post addressed to, child?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Secret Service should detain anyone for taking pictures in a suspicious manner, if they detain this guy. While I commend the SS for doing their job, they did go overboard for questioning him for 5 hours... maybe a half hour would have been more appropriate. I would expect the SS to do the same to anyone NOT wearing a turban as well, and I'm sure they have. You don't have to be wearing a turban to be categorized as "suspicious", something many posters are forgetting.

Please define for me exactly how I would recognize someone "taking pictures in a suspicious manner"?

 

[spidey07]

I don't see a problem with this.

I mean let's face it. We live in a different world now and you can't be too careful. Don't forget we are at war. And if the enemy looks like he's spying we need to investigate.

You can apply this to any country at war...everything is "suspicious". Especially investigative work and intelligence gathering.

Don't blame america or secret service - blame the farkers who started it.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Lenine
Maybe if they are detaining people due to racial profiling they should be trained to tell them apart?

*applauds* :thumbsup:

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
average american is f*cking ignorant then. hell my parents taught me this when i was little, and i'm chinese for f*ck sake. learning about other cultures that hard?

bah, in cananda in some places they have these cultural festivals things u can go to learn about stuff too not so much here.

Most Americans know very little about other cultures, and most don't really care.

You're seriuosly telling me that your PARENTS POINTED OUT Which Middle Eastern wore specific types of head dress ?

I have to call BS on that.

I have a lot of chinese friends and non of them could tell a Egyptian from an Iranian.

 

[Nitemare]

Ummm, don't the terrorists want Kerry to win?

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Secret Service should detain anyone for taking pictures in a suspicious manner, if they detain this guy. While I commend the SS for doing their job, they did go overboard for questioning him for 5 hours... maybe a half hour would have been more appropriate. I would expect the SS to do the same to anyone NOT wearing a turban as well, and I'm sure they have. You don't have to be wearing a turban to be categorized as "suspicious", something many posters are forgetting.

Please define for me exactly how I would recognize someone "taking pictures in a suspicious manner"?

I gues it's more a matter of what they are taking pictures of and where. Surveying and taking pictures of a possible area that is to be attacked is common.

In this case it's likely just random bad luck that the guy was taking pictures of the building the secret service guys were staying in.

Of course deciding if a person is a tourist or photography buff, or if he's surveying a possible target can be a very gray area. Mistakes will be made.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: kami333

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: ABitTooSpicy

Originally posted by: isekii
They're just taking precautions.

OMG... are you serious?!... dude its VERY easy to tell a sikh person apart from a muslim person... if they are going to racially profile atleast they should know how to tell the race apart from other races...

Hey I see muslims, indians, beloved patriot's and several other middle eastern decent people every day and I can't tell who's who.
Obviously you can tell since you're of middle eastern decent.

I have couple of beloved patriot friends at school and they tell me that they can't tell asians apart.

All Asians look alike to me too.

I can usually tell Indians from the rest and I'm a beloved patriot who grew up in a small town where there was/is no Indians

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

Timothy McVeigh was white. I don't see cops pulling over every white guy entering a govt. building.

 

[Aimster]

Let me just say something. My family is from Iran and I have never had any problems with anyone of authority in this country. I have been told to go back to my country by some Spanish guy who thought I was from Israel...?? And I did get in a fight right after 9/11 because this guy was harassing my girlfriend on a day I thought we had school and I went to the campus and it was empty and this random guy pops out of nowhere and started saying stuff. I could careless about that stuff, they have no power of authority and are a bunch of idiots and I defended my ground. Let me also say that I decided out of being lazy not to shave my face for a week or two and I stood out when these situations happend. I knew the risk and I took them.

Now not only am I going to get a debate from the non-Muslims in here, but I am also going to hear it from the Muslims on this board too. The terrorist from 9/11 and the terrorist who are against us are all part of the Middle East. I am sure they all cover up their bodies and their wives and daugthers are told to cover up as well.

Now let me get to my point. Nobody in my family or their extended family covers anything of theirs neither do their friends or my Muslim friends from my school. The Muslims that do need to realize they come from a sect of Islam which is usually classified as "extreme" by today's standards. America is the land of the free and when you carry over those LAWS that have limited your freedom in your country over to America then you should be questioned. The good thing about America is freedom of religion and you can believe in whatever damn hell you want and I know I won't care. However, if you want to stand out then stand out and know there are risk.

There are some 7 million+ Muslims in the U.S. from what I know and from what I see where I live and especially in California I would say only a small percent of those Muslims actually stand out and the rest of them have incorporated their way of life to be just like the regular American. The terrorist and the people who attack our country come from that small percent. Same goes for other religions. I do see some Indian people with Turbans, but I sure see a lot more without Turbans.

My main point is you are all free to do whatever the hell you want but you got to be blind if you think people aren't going to look at you, even people of your own nationality/culture.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Zombie

Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

Timothy McVeigh was white. I don't see cops pulling over every white guy entering a govt. building.

exception.

You have to go with the odds.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think you get my point. It doesn't seem to be based on race there. I highly doubt that they would leave out an Arab kid wearing a trenchcoat with "USA is the great satan" and satanic symbols tattooed on his forehead.

They'd be a fool not to notice that. If a random white person were taking pictures of nuclear facilities, they'd question them too.

As far as the redneck thing, who were they talking about? Redneck came about as a derogatory term for poor white farmers.

Like a week or two ago there was a black comedian talking about black southerners and calling them rednecks. I even know people that use it in real life. I grew up in Alabama and people threw redneck around at non-whites. Everyone used it like 'country bumpkin'

You are a stupid individual. Even a black comedian would point out that their necks could never be red. LOL

Do you have a comedy show?

I actually have some african history in my family so if you want to paint somebody racist I suggest you look elsewhere.

Don't worry about it, he has continually called me a nazi and i am a jew. The man has issues and likes to throw derogatory terms around without knowing of what he speak.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: biffbacon

Originally posted by: Wahsapa

Originally posted by: biffbacon

Originally posted by: Wahsapa


to think wearing a turban is showing disdain for america is about as dumb as you can get.

should jews not be allowed to wear yamikas? do you think thats showing 'disdain for american culture'? do us all a favor and get an education.

jews in yamikas dont blow up things. crazy people in turbans do

wow that went over your head...

sikh dont blow things up either you know...

and jews in yamikas do blow things up ie: israel

i realize sikh's dont blow things up (they just assassinate the leaders of india), and Jewish people do not blow things up in the U.S., so they are not regularly racially profiled in regard to those matters

Jewish people just assassinate the leaders of Israel as well.

Wow, that was a nice one, but i'm game, so do Americans. I really, REALLY hate generalizations like that. ONE jew has assasinated the leader of Israel, ONE person doesn't mean that "Jewish people" do that. Just like ONE american does not mean that americans do that.

You get my point i am sure.