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Klixxer

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Originally posted by: cucumber
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Secret Service should detain anyone for taking pictures in a suspicious manner, if they detain this guy. While I commend the SS for doing their job, they did go overboard for questioning him for 5 hours... maybe a half hour would have been more appropriate. I would expect the SS to do the same to anyone NOT wearing a turban as well, and I'm sure they have. You don't have to be wearing a turban to be categorized as "suspicious", something many posters are forgetting.

Please define for me exactly how I would recognize someone "taking pictures in a suspicious manner"?


I gues it's more a matter of what they are taking pictures of and where. Surveying and taking pictures of a possible area that is to be attacked is common.

In this case it's likely just random bad luck that the guy was taking pictures of the building the secret service guys were staying in.

Of course deciding if a person is a tourist or photography buff, or if he's surveying a possible target can be a very gray area. Mistakes will be made.

A limit to freedom is ok in your eyes? By letting this happen you are letting the ones who want to destroy the free American society win.

Either the nation of the scared or the nation of the free, i am not American so i cannot make the choice for you, but if you are smart you realize that whether you are cautious or not, events like 911 will happen and the best you can do is to go about your life like all others, don't let them scare you, don't let them infringe on your freedom.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

Timothy McVeigh was white. I don't see cops pulling over every white guy entering a govt. building.

exception.

You have to go with the odds.

What odds? You want to talk about statistics? take a look at the last ten years, who is most likely to kill you?

The answer is yourself.
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: Wahsapa


to think wearing a turban is showing disdain for america is about as dumb as you can get.

should jews not be allowed to wear yamikas? do you think thats showing 'disdain for american culture'? do us all a favor and get an education.

jews in yamikas dont blow up things. crazy people in turbans do

wow that went over your head...

sikh dont blow things up either you know...

and jews in yamikas do blow things up ie: israel

i realize sikh's dont blow things up (they just assassinate the leaders of india), and Jewish people do not blow things up in the U.S., so they are not regularly racially profiled in regard to those matters

Jewish people just assassinate the leaders of Israel as well.

Wow, that was a nice one, but i'm game, so do Americans. I really, REALLY hate generalizations like that. ONE jew has assasinated the leader of Israel, ONE person doesn't mean that "Jewish people" do that. Just like ONE american does not mean that americans do that.

You get my point i am sure.

The post that I replied to stated that Sikhs "they just assassinate the leaders of india" and if he was trying to use that as a defining difference between Sikhs and Jews, then he is wrong. Try reading the thread and the context of the posts. It'll help you out every once in a while.

So yes, I do get your point as that was the point that I was trying to make.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer

Don't worry about it, he has continually called me a nazi and i am a jew. The man has issues and likes to throw derogatory terms around without knowing of what he speak.

I don't think I've ever called you a Nazi. I've called you a racist. I think it's obvious that you are one since you support apartheid and racist governmental legislation to punish minorities by taking away their basic human rights (not related to this thread or racial profiling). You even support well known racist ultra far-right political parties that campaign with racist slogans and racist agendas such as stripping certain minorities of all rights.
 

Zombie

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

Timothy McVeigh was white. I don't see cops pulling over every white guy entering a govt. building.

exception.

You have to go with the odds.


odds of what? Every single stealing scumbag CEO in jail is white does that mean whites should not be allowed any high position where they can steal ?
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

Timothy McVeigh was white. I don't see cops pulling over every white guy entering a govt. building.

exception.

You have to go with the odds.


odds of what? Every single stealing scumbag CEO in jail is white does that mean whites should not be allowed any high position where they can steal ?
Well you've kinda gone way off topic here in an effort to draw an analogy.

Look suspiscious and look like you're "casing the joint?" in a time of heightened security = getting questioned. People judge each other by appereances, that's just the way it is and will always be.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Don't worry about it, he has continually called me a nazi and i am a jew. The man has issues and likes to throw derogatory terms around without knowing of what he speak.

I don't think I've ever called you a Nazi. I've called you a racist. I think it's obvious that you are one since you support apartheid and racist governmental legislation to punish minorities by taking away their basic human rights (not related to this thread or racial profiling). You even support well known racist ultra far-right political parties that campaign with racist slogans and racist agendas such as stripping certain minorities of all rights.

If you can give me ONE link to ANY post where i have EVER done what you say i have done it would be nice, for the umpteenth time what i said was that "everyone was equal under apartheid but not treated like equals" and i still stand by that statement, i do not support any nazist or racist agendas of any kind, the problem with you is that you somehow think ALL europeans do, you have told Sunner (a Swede on this board who is definently NOT racist) and Freegeeks (who is even a member of an anti-racist organization and attends anti racism rallies) the same thing.

You have to realize something here, the racist is you, you despise Europe and Europeans, so badly that they ONLY advice you could give to a european moving to the US was "leave your racism at home".

You are so fvcked in the head that it is impossible to reason with you, you are so filled with hate against any and every European that it isn't even funny anymore.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: Wahsapa


to think wearing a turban is showing disdain for america is about as dumb as you can get.

should jews not be allowed to wear yamikas? do you think thats showing 'disdain for american culture'? do us all a favor and get an education.

jews in yamikas dont blow up things. crazy people in turbans do

wow that went over your head...

sikh dont blow things up either you know...

and jews in yamikas do blow things up ie: israel

i realize sikh's dont blow things up (they just assassinate the leaders of india), and Jewish people do not blow things up in the U.S., so they are not regularly racially profiled in regard to those matters

Jewish people just assassinate the leaders of Israel as well.

Wow, that was a nice one, but i'm game, so do Americans. I really, REALLY hate generalizations like that. ONE jew has assasinated the leader of Israel, ONE person doesn't mean that "Jewish people" do that. Just like ONE american does not mean that americans do that.

You get my point i am sure.

The post that I replied to stated that Sikhs "they just assassinate the leaders of india" and if he was trying to use that as a defining difference between Sikhs and Jews, then he is wrong. Try reading the thread and the context of the posts. It'll help you out every once in a while.

So yes, I do get your point as that was the point that I was trying to make.

I did read the thread, i was just surprised by your choice, as far as i know there are choices of agression that are far closer to home for you.

But we agree.
 

samgau

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Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
Great posts, DigDug! :beer:

It is sad to see how the people of a great country like the US (founded on the freedom of expression) is made dumb and blind because it only gets heavily filtered information by the administration and its corporate media affliliation.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Don't worry about it, he has continually called me a nazi and i am a jew. The man has issues and likes to throw derogatory terms around without knowing of what he speak.

I don't think I've ever called you a Nazi. I've called you a racist. I think it's obvious that you are one since you support apartheid and racist governmental legislation to punish minorities by taking away their basic human rights (not related to this thread or racial profiling). You even support well known racist ultra far-right political parties that campaign with racist slogans and racist agendas such as stripping certain minorities of all rights.

If you can give me ONE link to ANY post where i have EVER done what you say i have done it would be nice, for the umpteenth time what i said was that "everyone was equal under apartheid but not treated like equals" and i still stand by that statement, i do not support any nazist or racist agendas of any kind, the problem with you is that you somehow think ALL europeans do, you have told Sunner (a Swede on this board who is definently NOT racist) and Freegeeks (who is even a member of an anti-racist organization and attends anti racism rallies) the same thing.

You have to realize something here, the racist is you, you despise Europe and Europeans, so badly that they ONLY advice you could give to a european moving to the US was "leave your racism at home".

You are so fvcked in the head that it is impossible to reason with you, you are so filled with hate against any and every European that it isn't even funny anymore.

Sorry, but you're a racist. I haven't called anyone else on this forum a racist, but you're quite obviously one. You stated that you support apartheid and support discriminatory legislation to take away all rights from minorities in Slovenia. You support the politics of racist political parties.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: BigJ
Unfortunately, it's going to happen. Would you rather them do this, or have them be completely lax?

And as stereotypical as it sounds, how many "white" "hispanic" or "black" people are were there on the planes, or are portrayed as terrorists? That is why people of South Asian and Middle Eastern backgrounds are questioned. I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all, but it's going to happen.

Glad that the college is behind him though, an apology wouldn't hurt, but isn't necessary IMHO.

EDIT: Btw, this is more then likely going to get moved into the sewer known as P&N.

Timothy McVeigh was white. I don't see cops pulling over every white guy entering a govt. building.

exception.

You have to go with the odds.


odds of what? Every single stealing scumbag CEO in jail is white does that mean whites should not be allowed any high position where they can steal ?
Well you've kinda gone way off topic here in an effort to draw an analogy.

Look suspiscious and look like you're "casing the joint?" in a time of heightened security = getting questioned. People judge each other by appereances, that's just the way it is and will always be.

You have no freedom, for you it is all about fear, maybe they are coming to get you, maybe they are taking pictures, you just don't know, so you cower behind your desk or something and expect the worst.

How the FVCK do you look suspicious and do you think that anyone who would EVER do something would be stupid enough to "look suspicious"?

Heightened security or not, people are allowed to take pics or they are not, the thing is, these were the ones that were taken in for questioning, no others.

It IS racial profiling and it IS wrong.
 

DarkKnight

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if a muslim terrorist is trying to scout a location for a bomb, he's NOT going to dress in muslim atire because he would not want to be noticable. The september 11th terrorists wore normal american clothing, shaved their beards, and wore cologne. If you see a person and they are wearing middle eastern clothing, it is very unlikely that the person is a terrorist.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Don't worry about it, he has continually called me a nazi and i am a jew. The man has issues and likes to throw derogatory terms around without knowing of what he speak.

I don't think I've ever called you a Nazi. I've called you a racist. I think it's obvious that you are one since you support apartheid and racist governmental legislation to punish minorities by taking away their basic human rights (not related to this thread or racial profiling). You even support well known racist ultra far-right political parties that campaign with racist slogans and racist agendas such as stripping certain minorities of all rights.

If you can give me ONE link to ANY post where i have EVER done what you say i have done it would be nice, for the umpteenth time what i said was that "everyone was equal under apartheid but not treated like equals" and i still stand by that statement, i do not support any nazist or racist agendas of any kind, the problem with you is that you somehow think ALL europeans do, you have told Sunner (a Swede on this board who is definently NOT racist) and Freegeeks (who is even a member of an anti-racist organization and attends anti racism rallies) the same thing.

You have to realize something here, the racist is you, you despise Europe and Europeans, so badly that they ONLY advice you could give to a european moving to the US was "leave your racism at home".

You are so fvcked in the head that it is impossible to reason with you, you are so filled with hate against any and every European that it isn't even funny anymore.

Sorry, but you're a racist. I haven't called anyone else on this forum a racist, but you're quite obviously one. You stated that you support apartheid and support discriminatory legislation to take away all rights from minorities in Slovenia. You support the politics of racist political parties.

I have never stated that i support either, you just pull that out of your a$$ as you know you have nothing substantial to argue about. You can read what i have stated several times in the post you quoted. Does that statement mean that i support apartheid, you disagreed that they were equals, doesn't that make YOU a racist, we can play word games like that all day long.

May i ask you exactly WHAT rights have been removed from the minorities in Slovenia, it's not like you have ever even bothered to look it up, is it, you just needed something so you could forget the torture of prisoners in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo bay. So you could point your finger anywhere else than home and scream "look at them, the racists". Sad thing is that the US government supports the Slovenian Government fully, maybe you should try to do something about THAT?

Sad thing is that you think you are right while anyone with a half functioning brain can see that you are not.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: DarkKnight
if a muslim terrorist is trying to scout a location for a bomb, he's NOT going to dress in muslim atire because he would not want to be noticable. The september 11th terrorists wore normal american clothing, shaved their beards, and wore cologne. If you see a person and they are wearing middle eastern clothing, it is very unlikely that the person is a terrorist.

Exactly! They don't advertise their precense, they will try to hide and will be good at it.
 

gururu

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: DarkKnight
if a muslim terrorist is trying to scout a location for a bomb, he's NOT going to dress in muslim atire because he would not want to be noticable. The september 11th terrorists wore normal american clothing, shaved their beards, and wore cologne. If you see a person and they are wearing middle eastern clothing, it is very unlikely that the person is a terrorist.

Exactly! They don't advertise their precense, they will try to hide and will be good at it.


the perpetrators may attempt to blend in, but I think the profiling is also meant to target financiers of these cells who may or may not need to disguise their cultural affiliations. At that level, they are tracked via a paper trail rather than physical description.
 

Klixxer

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For those of you reading my previous post and are not up to date with what happened in slovenia, it was like this, Slovenia was created and Slovenians were made automatic citizens, those who were there but not from Slovenia and wanted to live there has to apply, if they speak the language or ar willing to learn (the cost is zero) they can become citizens.

What they have lost is nothing, they had no rights before the recreation of Slovenia and now they do have rights, nobody wants to throw them out, they will get pensions and they will have work, they will be protected under the law but if they choose not to apply for citizenship it is no ones problem but theirs.

Most older people still live like they always have with better lifes than ever and they see no reason to become citizens, most younger people know the language and are citizens.

If everyone in a country would be made automatic citizens at one point it would be crazy, i don't think CanOWorms would want that to happen in the US, all of them present at this point will be made citizens and others will have to apply? So if you go on a vacation trip at the time you are no longer a citizen when you return, and all tourists, foreign students and so on are all of a sudden citizens?

From what has been done i think it was the best they could do.

CanOWorms, i am no racist, i don't think that any race is lesser than any other, i know you would like me to be one so you could continue this nonsense but enough, ok?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: gururu
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: DarkKnight
if a muslim terrorist is trying to scout a location for a bomb, he's NOT going to dress in muslim atire because he would not want to be noticable. The september 11th terrorists wore normal american clothing, shaved their beards, and wore cologne. If you see a person and they are wearing middle eastern clothing, it is very unlikely that the person is a terrorist.

Exactly! They don't advertise their precense, they will try to hide and will be good at it.


the perpetrators may attempt to blend in, but I think the profiling is also meant to target financiers of these cells who may or may not need to disguise their cultural affiliations. At that level, they are tracked via a paper trail rather than physical description.

You are saying that racial profiling is ok as long as it doesn't affect you? What will you say the day when it DOES affect you?

Many of the paper trails has lead to nothing, in some cases people have been questioned wrongfully, some of them are sitting in cells in foreign land as we speak.

This is no way to treat people, there must be a better way.

Who wants to be safe in a land where it is safe as long as you do only what you are told?
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
For those of you reading my previous post and are not up to date with what happened in slovenia, it was like this, Slovenia was created and Slovenians were made automatic citizens, those who were there but not from Slovenia and wanted to live there has to apply, if they speak the language or ar willing to learn (the cost is zero) they can become citizens.

What they have lost is nothing, they had no rights before the recreation of Slovenia and now they do have rights, nobody wants to throw them out, they will get pensions and they will have work, they will be protected under the law but if they choose not to apply for citizenship it is no ones problem but theirs.

Most older people still live like they always have with better lifes than ever and they see no reason to become citizens, most younger people know the language and are citizens.

If everyone in a country would be made automatic citizens at one point it would be crazy, i don't think CanOWorms would want that to happen in the US, all of them present at this point will be made citizens and others will have to apply? So if you go on a vacation trip at the time you are no longer a citizen when you return, and all tourists, foreign students and so on are all of a sudden citizens?

From what has been done i think it was the best they could do.

CanOWorms, i am no racist, i don't think that any race is lesser than any other, i know you would like me to be one so you could continue this nonsense but enough, ok?

lol... You are completely wrong. Slovenia was created and people of a certain ethnicity were automatically granted citizenship while people that were from there but of a different ethnicity had to apply for citizenship. Many were refused and had problems. A constitutional court stated that they should restore citizenship to the people and not discriminate by ethnicity. A vote was put forth by a far-right racist political party and the people voted to not restore rights to the minorities. They are technically not even humans in the eyes of the government. Most human rights organizations condemn this. They have NO rights, no pensions, etc. Language or any other factor wasn't of concern - it was their ethnicity. You consistently agree and support this ultra far-right racist political party's agenda.

You are a racist. Not only because of this one action (your support of racist ultra far-right political parties which human rights groups condemn) but because of all of your other actions in P&N.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: gururu
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: DarkKnight
if a muslim terrorist is trying to scout a location for a bomb, he's NOT going to dress in muslim atire because he would not want to be noticable. The september 11th terrorists wore normal american clothing, shaved their beards, and wore cologne. If you see a person and they are wearing middle eastern clothing, it is very unlikely that the person is a terrorist.

Exactly! They don't advertise their precense, they will try to hide and will be good at it.


the perpetrators may attempt to blend in, but I think the profiling is also meant to target financiers of these cells who may or may not need to disguise their cultural affiliations. At that level, they are tracked via a paper trail rather than physical description.

for every atta theres a richard reid(shoe bomber);)
 

Topher

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This sh!t is nothing new. This was going on BEFORE 9/11, just no to this degree. I had to wait for two and a half hours for my wife WHO WAS ACCOMPANYING ME, to get through customs at an international airport. All because I'm an American and she is South Asian.
 

spidey07

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You have no freedom, for you it is all about fear, maybe they are coming to get you, maybe they are taking pictures, you just don't know, so you cower behind your desk or something and expect the worst.

How the FVCK do you look suspicious and do you think that anyone who would EVER do something would be stupid enough to "look suspicious"?

Heightened security or not, people are allowed to take pics or they are not, the thing is, these were the ones that were taken in for questioning, no others.

It IS racial profiling and it IS wrong.

That's where we disagree. I don't think its wrong. I think its smart. Profiling works, its how law enforcement officials and intelligence do their job. Heck there's even a science for it.

This can't be drawn to a "all or nothing", "black or white", "you can either take pictures or you cannot" issue. If one is innocent then one has nothing to fear.