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charrison

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Yet, somehow, in spiite of all that, Verizon kicks their ass and is already installing the infrastructure for the iPhone.

ATT is going to have some problems when it loses iPhone exclusiivity

There are still only rumors of iphone verizon. It may happen it may not as the droid does appear to competent device. Both AT&T and verizon are having no problem adding customers, with or without iphone as they both have very good nation wide coverage(verizon customer myself). Verizon may very well have the best network, but the differences are not that big in most places. And you also have to ask the question how would verizon network be handling several million iphones at this point. No matter the reason, verizon rejected the iphone when it was offered by apple.

And all providers are upgrading their networks to the next gen, of course this is a large country and that just does not happen in a short period of time. Of course people here think fingers can be snapped and infrastructure can be put in place overnight. And as much as people bitch about our antiquated wireless infrastructure, the US has something like 40% of the 3g gear in the world and 15% of the population(numbers are probably off a bit).
 

Pliablemoose

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Apple has gone to other carriers in every coountry they've had an exclusive contract.

The iPhone will likely go to all 3 of other carriers in the US
 

Parasitic

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There are 5 major carriers in the US

Counting Sprint/Nextel as one, there are 4 nationwide carriers: AT&T, Verizon, Sprint/Nextel and T-Mobile.

PM says "3 other carriers" = Verizon, SN and T-Mobile.
 

charrison

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Apple has gone to other carriers in every coountry they've had an exclusive contract.

The iPhone will likely go to all 3 of other carriers in the US
IT is not unreasonably to think it will go to all carriers as apple is limiting its market share by sticking with an exclusive contract. However that does not mean verizon is going to pick up the iphone when the exclusive contract expires in the near future. Verizon did after all reject apple for some reason initially and may still be inclined to reject them tomorrow as well. If verizon gets a better deal on droids, will they even worry about the iphone?
 

Pliablemoose

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If verizon gets a better deal on droids, will they even worry about the iphone?

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And as to ATT's expenditures on infrastructure:

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nsafreak

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Wow, I didn't know that Microsoft smartphones had that big of a marketshare although the rest of the numbers are about inline what I thought they would be.
 

cubby1223

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After reading bits and pieces of this thread... geez you idiots, some day you will have to start realizing that bandwidth is not an infinite resource... If Verizon were to have gotten the iPhone service, it would be Verizon's network clogged up while AT&T's network performing great.
 

Muadib

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After reading bits and pieces of this thread... geez you idiots, some day you will have to start realizing that bandwidth is not an infinite resource... If Verizon were to have gotten the iPhone service, it would be Verizon's network clogged up while AT&T's network performing great.

Winner.
 

reallyscrued

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...What...the...fuck!?!?! You're such a god damn tool. If you hate the company so much, WHY DO YOU HAVE THEIR SERVICE!?!

Listen closely: YOU PAY their profits. This would make so much more sense if you said BOYCOTT At&t. That makes sense. I swear, some chairman or the CEO at ATT probably just reads your blog and laughs in his $10,000 suit and lights his cuban cigar with a $100 bill.

I don't get this. I'll never get this.

Stop being a tool for once and re-read my post on the 3rd page.

It's very hard to make a statement to them (oh yeah, ...lets overload their bandwidth network...which you and every other iphone user does collectively do every second of a normal day anyway) when their profits are going up. What the hell do they care?

Scare them off by not signing contracts. Scare them off by buying your phone upfront. Seriously, if everyone did that, they'd shit their pants.

You're not gonna scare them by using their service.


But what do I know...right? Hell...I don't even have a blog.
 

Fritzo

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Wow, I didn't know that Microsoft smartphones had that big of a marketshare although the rest of the numbers are about inline what I thought they would be.

That chart is for October...the Droid came out in November. I'm betting Google is a LOT higher now.
 

MoPHo

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So I have an iPhone and yesterday my service was.....Fine. As usual.

I take it Operation Cockgrip wasn't a success. Perhaps my lack of caring and participation ruined the mission...
 

Pliablemoose

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So I have an iPhone and yesterday my service was.....Fine. As usual.

I take it Operation Cockgrip wasn't a success. Perhaps my lack of caring and participation ruined the mission...

Curse you and your complacency :D


I jumped on board because I've been anti corporate for a very long time, social networking and technology has evolved to become an interesting component of our daily lives and has the power to change things, while that may be a double edged sword, it's interesting that a bunch of iPhone fans has been able to get this much attention.

I have had many many support nightmares with ATT for my DSL service, and had their cell service for a year. I voted with my money by going to another carrier. I would rather be using an iPhone with 3G service, but I won't pay ATT to make my life hell when I need customer service for an issue.

We've seen what mobs can do, and riots, now we see what a different world it is today, instead of shouting "no justice, no peace" and causing civil insurrection, you can become politically active using tech.

Anon has demonstrated what happens when you combine the 2 types of dissent, and their ongoing stuff with Scientology has been interesting to watch too.

Interesting that with all the posts in this thread, no one has admitted to being an ATT employee or contractee, and I know there are quite a few here, and many more who have family members that work for ATT.

In the interest of full disclosure I have a significant amount of Apple stock, and if ATT's network had been crushed, I stood to have paper losses at the least, and honestly, publicizing the discontent with ATT does affect Apple's stock value.

Yours in Christ,

Clint.

():)
 

reallyscrued

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Try reading the thread.

Whoopsie. My mistake. He's a T-Mobile customer. Guess that makes all this a whole lot more credible, right? I'll believe it when I see it. I've never seen someone so ambitious to bring about change to something that wouldn't even affect him. Too bad he speaks like a iphone at the end of it all.

I'm not ignorant. I did read the thread. I read the whole thread through alll the way. And I had nothing to say until he posted that jpeg with those little charts.

Why do the charts piss you off?

The charts piss me off because in essence, this is what you're doing: You're accusing a business for trying to make a profit.

OH MY GAWD, someone call in the military. AT&T is trying to make a profit, really? It's okay though, cuz in reality, those numbers really don't mean anything and they're designed to confuse and misinform people looking at it.

Do the charts take into account that the dollar is weaker now than it was in 2008? Did it take inflation into account? Even if it did, net income numbers are great, but real performance figures would call for profit margin ratios, P/E ratios, cash flow statements, yada yada. I don't see your charts looking at any of those.

You cannot assess the profitability of a company net income numbers alone. BUT, for the benefit of the doubt, let's say net income is a fine measure of how a business stands.

You're telling me that in a time of recession and economic hardship, they are making a steady amount of money and not eagerly buying and spending like morons? I don't see the crime. Can someone please pass the kool-aid? Cuz I'm not getting it.

Here, look at this instead:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T&fstype=ii

I hope that link works, not sure how else to link to a google finance document. Their profit margin has stayed almost the same from 2008. They aren't making ridiculous amounts of money and not passing the good times onto the consumers. They are making the same amount of money and subsequently, their service is still shitty.

You know what else? Looks like AT&T actually *is* doing something to serve you better. Looking at the annual charts on g.finance instead of quarterly (switch at the top) shows that they increased their revenue by more than 50% since 2004....but their profit margin has stayed the same. I wonder why that is?


You know, at first, I thought this whole thing was a bet you had with a close friend that you were sore about, desperately trying to prove your point. But now I realize you're much more shortsighted than even that. I think I'm going to make a blog as well. For the sole purpose of convincing people into boycotting AT&T. (I have Sprint....but since you have T-Mobile, it's not any different right?) And if my blog gets some traction, well I'll beat you at your own game.
 
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Pliablemoose

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Why do you hate America?

I hate short sighted US companies that put profits above common sense. And I'm not so ignorant to claim a continent as a country, you know, that whole political vs geography thing.

ATT = GM

"Let's charge as much as we can possible get away with and still keep the idiots that put up with it."