Sick of ATT service? Operation Chokehold on Friday :)

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SunSamurai

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Downloaded a ton yesterday (as usual) via my iPhone.

No problems as usual. Must be some damned lie that they cant handle pressure. Good for me! Ill keep paying for my unlimited service =]


...What...the...fuck!?!?! You're such a god damn tool. If you hate the company so much, WHY DO YOU HAVE THEIR SERVICE!?!

Because its about more than just consuming, simple child. The only tool is people like you that try and defend these companies and these sorts of corrupt practices. Ignoring issues in the world is not the way to make them go away. If its not ATT, it will be another Bell. Do you not get that?

"It is our job, our duty, and our responsibility to take an active interest in these matters" - If you dont understand that, you dont understand that freedom isnt free.
 
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Curse you and your complacency :D


I jumped on board because I've been anti corporate for a very long time...it's interesting that a bunch of iPhone fans has been able to get this much attention.

I have had many many support nightmares with ATT for my DSL service, and had their cell service for a year. I voted with my money by going to another carrier. I would rather be using an iPhone with 3G service, but I won't pay ATT to make my life hell when I need customer service for an issue.

We've seen what mobs can do, and riots, now we see what a different world it is today, instead of shouting "no justice, no peace" and causing civil insurrection, you can become politically active using tech.

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A bunch? You mean one guy blogging about something a bunch of other fucking morons have been whining about for over a year (actually its getting close to 3 years now for some of them).

I'm just laughing at your thoughts on dissent and this new form of civil disobedience. You sure do make it tough on those corporations. "Yeah, down with you, oh by the way here's my payment." You are right, you can become active, but I believe I posted a much better way of doing it in my first post in this thread.

Wow, so you voted with your money, but are trying to whip these idiots up? That's fucking hilarious. Is that your blog then?

Downloaded a ton yesterday (as usual) via my iPhone.

No problems as usual. Must be some damned lie that they cant handle pressure. Good for me! Ill keep paying for my unlimited service =]


Because its about more than just consuming, simple child. The only tool is people like you that try and defend these companies and these sorts of corrupt practices. Ignoring issues in the world is not the way to make them go away. If its not ATT, it will be another Bell. Do you not get that?

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Simple child? Do we need to keep pointing out that you're not getting your message through if you keep paying for shitty service? No one is defending AT&T, they're just calling you stupid for doing nothing more than whine about the bad service. We've offered how many options for ways you can actually do something? You have options, do you not get that? Please don't bastardize quotes and posit about freedom when no one is infringing upon yours (if anything you look like an idiot when you do have freedom to do something about it but refuse to).

Side note: the FCC is looking into Verizon's new ETF on advanced devices. Hopefully this might lead to something actually being accomplished about ETF's in general.
 
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charrison

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I hate short sighted US companies that put profits above common sense. And I'm not so ignorant to claim a continent as a country, you know, that whole political vs geography thing.

ATT = GM

"Let's charge as much as we can possible get away with and still keep the idiots that put up with it."

ATT has remained a profitable company over the years. You cant realy say that about GM. ATT has also invested heavily in products over the years. Sure they cut capex this year, but they announced that a year ago, so it is not a surprise today anyone. They cut capex because consumers were cutting back their spending. ATT is not alone in cutting capex this year and no doubt capex will be boosted once consumer spending resumes. And the fact still remains wireless capex remains higher than wireless revenues and network coverage and capacity continues to improve.

So if you are unhappy, you need to terminate your contract and go elsewhere. YOu can only punish ATT by voting with your feet.
 

SunSamurai

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So Operation Dickscarf was a dismal failure? Color me shocked!
Operation Dickscarf a new name youre thinking for yourself? :awe:

The only dismal failure here is people like you. A point was proven that their network can take the load thereby discrediting the statements that started this in the first place. Thinking is hard, but you can do it.

Simple child? Do we need to keep pointing out that you're not getting your message through if you keep paying for shitty service? No one is defending AT&T, they're just calling you stupid for doing nothing more than whine about the bad service.


Look kid, I pay for good service for ATT, and I would like it to stay that way.

Read that a few times, it will sink in.
 

Pliablemoose

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So Operation Dickscarf was a dismal failure? Color me shocked!

Yeah, for years now, when someone googles ATT, they'll come across a link about how unhappy people are with ATT, it's a PR firm's worst nightmare.

"Oh fuck, Verizon's ads are popular & accurate and our customers are trying to bring down the network? Only Luke Wilson can save us now."

What do you suggest we in the US actually do to change the cell industry that will actually work?

Everyone cancel their service, be left with a useless phone, pay an ETF fee between $150 & $300 and sign another contract with another cell company?

Do you really thing change happens when no one asks for it? The cell carriers are just going to change their business practices out of the goodness of their heart?
 

reallyscrued

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I hate short sighted US companies that put profits above common sense. And I'm not so ignorant to claim a continent as a country, you know, that whole political vs geography thing.

ATT = GM

"Let's charge as much as we can possible get away with and still keep the idiots that put up with it."

...Okay, that "hate america" post was a joke, but I guess you don't watch the news.

HAHAHAH.

Put profits above common sense? Profits *are* common sense. I'd really like to see you run a business.

Btw, address my post on the previous page.
 

charrison

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Yeah, for years now, when someone googles ATT, they'll come across a link about how unhappy people are with ATT, it's a PR firm's worst nightmare.

"Oh fuck, Verizon's ads are popular & accurate and our customers are trying to bring down the network? Only Luke Wilson can save us now."

What do you suggest we in the US actually do to change the cell industry that will actually work?

Everyone cancel their service, be left with a useless phone, pay an ETF fee between $150 & $300 and sign another contract with another cell company?

Do you really thing change happens when no one asks for it? The cell carriers are just going to change their business practices out of the goodness of their heart?

As long as there are subsidied phones, there are going to ETF fees. And it appears the american consumer overall likes cheap subsidized phones.
 

SunSamurai

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Yeah, for years now, when someone googles ATT, they'll come across a link about how unhappy people are with ATT, it's a PR firm's worst nightmare.

"Oh fuck, Verizon's ads are popular & accurate and our customers are trying to bring down the network? Only Luke Wilson can save us now."

What do you suggest we in the US actually do to change the cell industry that will actually work?

Everyone cancel their service, be left with a useless phone, pay an ETF fee between $150 & $300 and sign another contract with another cell company?

Do you really thing change happens when no one asks for it? The cell carriers are just going to change their business practices out of the goodness of their heart?

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SunSamurai

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Put profits above common sense? Profits *are* common sense. I'd really like to see you run a business.

Profits stop becoming common sense once you attempt to screw customers. Thus they are attempting to put profits above common sense. Meaning this was a dick move on ATTs part.

Now that they've seen people wont stand for it, they will retract doing anything like what they were intending. And if they dont, they got fair warning, and I, and many other people will JB our phones if needed and send our money to another company.

As of right now, Im getting good service.
 

Pliablemoose

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I think my stance is pretty clear, you just want to make your point that they're doing the "right" thing by maximizing profits at the expense of customer satisfaction.

They have a captive audience with very little motivation to provide better service.

I'm not going to go into a lengthy rehash of what is happening/going to happen in the cell industry, but let's just say I'm insightful enough to have made over $50K on wireless tech stocks in the last 6 months by following what's happening in the industry & the public's perception of what's going on.

I just picked up a 10% profit on RIMM this week, locked in, bought & sold, profits made...

I trash the shit out of RIMM, but in reality, they're a sound company making money hand over fist.

Anti competitive practices in this country are destroying any motivation to be cost competitive for the consumer's benefit.

ATT's got one hell of a PR problem on their hand, and it's their own doing.

When Consumer Reports ranks you dead last of the 4 carriers, you're so damn busy slapping yourself on the back that you think you can sue a competitor's ads off the air and the case is thrown out, users put together a revolt and get a bunch of airtime, you've got major fucking problems.

Profits may be good this quarter, but it ain't gonna last long with the kind of shit ATT's pulling.

What's ATT going to do when they lose the exclusivity of the iPhone in the US? Carry an Android phone that everyone else already has?

ATT had a chance to be a god in the cell industry, instead they chose to be short sighted fools, and it's going to bite them in the ass.
 

reallyscrued

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So why did you edit that out?

I don't want each and every one of posts to come off as insulting. I realized the tone of the post after I posted it and decided it wasn't necessary, I just wanted a response from moose.

Don't worry though, it doesn't change the fact that the charts are stupid.

I think my stance is pretty clear, you just want to make your point that they're doing the "right" thing by maximizing profits at the expense of customer satisfaction.

They have a captive audience with very little motivation to provide better service.

I'm not going to go into a lengthy rehash of what is happening/going to happen in the cell industry, but let's just say I'm insightful enough to have made over $50K on wireless tech stocks in the last 6 months by following what's happening in the industry & the public's perception of what's going on.

I just picked up a 10% profit on RIMM this week, locked in, bought & sold, profits made...

I trash the shit out of RIMM, but in reality, they're a sound company making money hand over fist.

Anti competitive practices in this country are destroying any motivation to be cost competitive for the consumer's benefit.

ATT's got one hell of a PR problem on their hand, and it's their own doing.

When Consumer Reports ranks you dead last of the 4 carriers, you're so damn busy slapping yourself on the back that you think you can sue a competitor's ads off the air and the case is thrown out, users put together a revolt and get a bunch of airtime, you've got major fucking problems.

Profits may be good this quarter, but it ain't gonna last long with the kind of shit ATT's pulling.

What's ATT going to do when they lose the exclusivity of the iPhone in the US? Carry an Android phone that everyone else already has?

ATT had a chance to be a god in the cell industry, instead they chose to be short sighted fools, and it's going to bite them in the ass.

Okay, a lot of what you said here has nothing to do with the issue I was trying to address. You should be a politician.

This thread was about overloading ATTs bandwidth to prove a point, no? I was trying to point out that as long as people keep paying for their service and buying their phones, they're not going to care because they're making money.

You are a man of stocks (or maybe you pulled that out of your ass, I dunno) so you tell me why they would have any reason to change the way things are going? Bad press? Don't oil companies get bad press? Fast food chains? Cable networks? Exactly how much of their business models have changed because of disgruntled consumers....buying and using more of their products?


Profits may be good this quarter, but it ain't gonna last long with the kind of shit ATT's pulling.


Conjecture.

The only thing useful in that last post was this:

What's ATT going to do when they lose the exclusivity of the iPhone in the US?


Ah, and so we hit the nail on the head. Let's break it down. The three major networks each have something going for them. Sprint has low rates, Verizon has superior service, ATT has the Jesus Phone.

When they lose exclusivity, their service will improve, mark my words. Right now, they have no incentive to build infrastructure; they are selling phones and making money no matter what. The large portion of iphone users care more about the phone than they do about the service. When Verizon gets the iphone, there will be no reason to have ATT period, at which point ATT will NEED something to bring the consumers back to them.

My rant comes full circle right here; if people just didn't buy the iphone from ATT because they hated the service in the first place, it would have the same effect. Why wait for exclusivity to end? A nationwide boycott would fare a lot better than an attempt to overload their networks.
 
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Pliablemoose

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Ok, you win, the only way to change things is to throw away the iPhones.

Operation Chokehold did nothing, and you're a genius.

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Steve

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So who's going to be first with a 4G-capable phone network? You can bet IPhone users will want to use it if they can.
 

charrison

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When they lose exclusivity, their service will improve, mark my words. Right now, they have no incentive to build infrastructure; they are selling phones and making money no matter what. The large portion of iphone users care more about the phone than they do about the service. When Verizon gets the iphone, there will be no reason to have ATT period, at which point ATT will NEED something to bring the consumers back to them.

Of course the thing you keep ignoring is that they are building out infrastructure, to the tune of several billion a year just for wireless. They always have incentive to keep their networks competitive, even if they have a the iphone.
 

charrison

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So who's going to be first with a 4G-capable phone network? You can bet IPhone users will want to use it if they can.

Right now ATT is turning on 3g 7.2 and the 3gs phones are capable of using that right now. Not bad for a company that has no incentive to upgrade their network.
 

Steve

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Sprint's not lying, 4G aka WiMax is up in running in several major cities but I don't think any phones can do it yet. Right now it's being used for mobile broadband 'aircards' and home internet via Clear aka Clearwire.
 

bobdole369

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Sprint's not lying, 4G aka WiMax is up in running in several major cities but I don't think any phones can do it yet. Right now it's being used for mobile broadband 'aircards' and home internet via Clear aka Clearwire.

OIC wimax.... data.... no LTE up and running tho? Sprint makes it sound like 4g's already done in tiehr commercials.