See if Your Doctor is on Big Pharma's Payroll

[alkemyst]

No, its him and his ridiculous assertions. See the post right above this one for proof. The fact that people go to eits for any sort of treatment scares me. Might as well go see a shaman, at least then you would be entertained.

Except people are not just attacking Eits, but all of Chiropratic Medicine. I have gone to a D.O. A LOT and Orthopedic Surgeons.

Just simple manipulation and therapy has gotten me through many injuries without drugs.

I have never been to a Chiropractor, but like anyone there are those that taking advantage of the stupid. We have a lot of MD's down here that are just in it for insurance fluff.

 

[nick1985]

Except people are not just attacking Eits, but all of Chiropratic Medicine. I have gone to a D.O. A LOT and Orthopedic Surgeons.

Just simple manipulation and therapy has gotten me through many injuries without drugs.

I have never been to a Chiropractor, but like anyone there are those that taking advantage of the stupid. We have a lot of MD's down here that are just in it for insurance fluff.

Are you seriously comparing orthopedic surgeons to chiropractors? Please tell me that you're not.

What a ridiculous comparison.

 

[HeXen]

Cool!

Doesn't mean anything, but cool.

it could mean something depending on the individual. means that your Dr. will prescribe you a particular drug, even if there is others better suited for you. Those drug sales people are salesmen..they take Dr's out to expensive dinners and talk up drugs like its the shiznit...Docs dont always know much more about a drug than what their told.

 

[alkemyst]

shit more and more I am finding since AT feeds the search engines so much they are going to get hit with a lawsuit.

Funny picture gets major infractions.

Full out libel...nothing even encouraged.

 

[nick1985]

shit more and more I am finding since AT feeds the search engines so much they are going to get hit with a lawsuit.

Funny picture gets major infractions.

Full out libel...nothing even encouraged.

lol, you dont know one thing about anything

 

[alkemyst]

Are you seriously comparing orthopedic surgeons to chiropractors? Please tell me that you're not.

What a ridiculous comparison.

umm a D.O. usually doesn't do surgery.

 

[alkemyst]

lol, you dont know one thing about anything

what do you mean?

if you post, print, or display someone is "something" that they are not, that is libel.

There is a bit of a loophole, but noone here is keen to it.


This is a licensed practicer, you saying directly online he is a 'quack'...you better have proof if they decide to sue. This can get a garnishment of wages.

 

[zinfamous]

eits, how did you become the "Official AnandTech Forums Chiropractic Physician?"

Did the mods bestow this title on you, or did Anand do it personally?

the real question: Is anyone willing to challenge him for that title?

 

[zinfamous]

lol

is this what passes for "research" and "ownage" in your book?

lol

 

[BornStar]

umm a D.O. usually doesn't do surgery.

That's absurd. There's nothing preventing a DO from completing a residency in surgery. I just flipped through the general surgeons in my wife's hospital system and 18 of the 80 general surgeons listed are DOs. The lower number could be attributed to the highly competitive nature of surgery residencies which would probably result in a lower number of DOs.

edit: Forget the reason I stated above. I just looked it up and for every DO that graduates five MDs graduate which completely explains the numbers.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

it could mean something depending on the individual. means that your Dr. will prescribe you a particular drug, even if there is others better suited for you. Those drug sales people are salesmen..they take Dr's out to expensive dinners and talk up drugs like its the shiznit...Docs dont always know much more about a drug than what their told.

The problem with the list is that it doesn't have any context. Physicians are compensated when they do research and they should be. In clinical settings they will give presentations about disease states. I've attended many of them and while they may be sponsored by pharmaceutical companies they aren't sales pitches. Will treatment with medications made by them be discussed? Probably, but not exclusively (unless there is a particular situation where there is only one viable treatment).

Can some be bought? Certainly, but the inference is that people are inherently corrupt who take monies from pharmaceutical companies. That's not true, but the names are out there to taint everyone.

That's why I say it means nothing. No one knows anything.

 

[alkemyst]

That's absurd. There's nothing preventing a DO from completing a residency in surgery. I just flipped through the general surgeons in my wife's hospital system and 18 of the 80 general surgeons listed are DOs. The lower number could be attributed to the highly competitive nature of surgery residencies which would probably result in a lower number of DOs.

lol what?

Like I said...not USUALLY.


18 out of 80 is not really a major event.

sigh all up in arms about nothing.

 

[BornStar]

lol what?

Like I said...not USUALLY.


18 out of 80 is not really a major event.

sigh all up in arms about nothing.

Read my edit, DOs are actually slightly over represented in her system. Your knowledge of medical training and the profession in general isn't quite what you think it is.

 

[eits]

The problem with the list is that it doesn't have any context. Physicians are compensated when they do research and they should be. In clinical settings they will give presentations about disease states. I've attended many of them and while they may be sponsored by pharmaceutical companies they aren't sales pitches. Will treatment with medications made by them be discussed? Probably, but not exclusively (unless there is a particular situation where there is only one viable treatment).

Can some be bought? Certainly, but the inference is that people are inherently corrupt who take monies from pharmaceutical companies. That's not true, but the names are out there to taint everyone.

That's why I say it means nothing. No one knows anything.

that's a fair argument and thank you for addressing the topic.

the thing is that if you look at the list, you can see who's been compensated for what. there are doctors who've been compensated as being a guest speaker and who's been compensated for more (advising, travel, entertainment, etc.).

there are unsavory characters in all professions, whether it be a mcdonald's manager, medical doctor, chiropractor, elected official, whatever. the point of this thread, however, was for people to check on their doctors to find out whether or not their doctor has been paid off by big pharma and for what.

 

[alkemyst]

Read my edit, DOs are actually slightly over represented in her system. Your knowledge of medical training and the profession in general isn't quite what you think it is.

I don't need to read your EDIT...you have no idea WTF you are posting about.

two bumps to my chest truth.

 

[BornStar]

I don't need to read your EDIT...you have no idea WTF you are posting about.

two bumps to my chest truth.

Explain to me where I'm wrong? I've presented numbers and facts to you and you've told me I don't know what I'm talking about to support your argument. Your statement that I originally quoted is just plain false. There are DOs in every specialty and there's nothing preventing them for competing in the match against MDs. There are also DOs that compete in their own special match exclusively against other DOs.

Since maybe you didn't hear me the first few times, there is NOTHING preventing a DO from choosing a surgical specialty and many do.

 

[nick1985]

lol

is this what passes for "research" and "ownage" in your book?

lol

Who said anything about research?

 

[nick1985]

Read my edit, DOs are actually slightly over represented in her system. Your knowledge of medical training and the profession in general isn't quite what you think it is.

Like I said, he doesn't know one thing about anything. Talking out of his ass is alkemyst's specialty

 

[Pliablemoose]

I know DO's in virtually every specialty field, decades ago, they weren't as good as an MD IMHO, nowadays, there is virtually no difference.

I also find DO's to be generally better at the bedside than MD's, although the MD's now are almost human.

 

[Born2bwire]

See if your Doctor is incompetent:

http://www.chirodirectory.com/

:awe:

 

[SandEagle]

that's a fair argument and thank you for addressing the topic.

the thing is that if you look at the list, you can see who's been compensated for what. there are doctors who've been compensated as being a guest speaker and who's been compensated for more (advising, travel, entertainment, etc.).

there are unsavory characters in all professions, whether it be a mcdonald's manager, medical doctor, chiropractor, elected official, whatever. the point of this thread, however, was for people to check on their doctors to find out whether or not their doctor has been paid off by big pharma and for what.

dont waste your time on the haters. if u makin money, fvck them. people get referred to chiros or research them so they know what they gettn in to. ive read lot of good stories on how peeps resolved their issues through chiropractic methods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

 

[Zebo]

Yeah some major dick moves here. Some people swear by Chrios who am I to argue with them? Likewise some people swear by 40 pill bottles around their sink from MDs who am I to argue? Acupuncture same. Whatever works for you.

I am a vitamin guy myself, as in major overkill, even though some say it's placebo. I feel worse w/o them. I have not been sick in 10 years tho. I don't eat rabbit food (vegetables) so I need it.


morning:
Full Vitamin pack
EmergenC
Creatine
Fish Oil
Calcium supplement 500mg (can't drink milk)
Glucosamine, MSM, Chondroitin combo

After run midday
Country Life Liquid Multi, Mango Flavor

in the evening
Full Vitamin pack
EmergenC

 

[eits]

Yeah some major dick moves here. Some people swear by Chrios who am I to argue with them? Likewise some people swear by 40 pill bottles around their sink from MDs who am I to argue? Acupuncture same. Whatever works for you.

I am a vitamin guy myself, as in major overkill, even though some say it's placebo. I feel worse w/o them. I have not been sick in 10 years tho.


morning:
Full Vitamin pack
EmergenC
Creatine
Fish Oil
Calcium supplement 500mg (can't drink milk)
Glucosamine, MSM, Chondroitin combo

After run midday
Country Life Liquid Multi, Mango Flavor

in the evening
Full Vitamin pack
EmergenC

you need to dose up on vitamins k and d as well as lysine.

 

[Zebo]

Will do how much

Packs have Vitamin D 400 I.U I take 2.
Packs have K 20 mcg I take 2.

Lysine none. Thanks again,

 

[Indiana Jane]

regardless of whether or not it's actually safe? do you have any idea how many medicines have been taken off the market way after they were being prescribed by doctors because the research was uncovered that they were actually not safe and there were way too many people having serious or fatal side-effects?

it happens quite frequently. the pharmaceutical industry doesn't care. they're making a product and marketing it the best they can. the patient is the one that could end up suffering.

Oh im sure quite a few medicines over the years have had nasty side effects.
One in particular that i remember over here was a drug called Thalidomide. Babies were being born with no arms/legs...just aweful!

You know eits sometimes its tough, for a patient to get some form of treatment.
If your a patient in pain and suffering, years is a long intolerable time to have to wait.
My conditions are rare and even rare to have together. Im an unlucky sod i guess.

I cant expect the Drs and pharma companies to know how some presumed safe drugs will be for someone such as me to take. Nevermind to be able to fully test future treatments, before i get them.

For several years now i have taken a very toxic drug. Im not even to touch the actual tablets, but i have to swallow. I wont say it was an easy choice to make, if i did i would be lying. Over the years, Drs have offered me, operations, sprays, tablets and very painful infusions.
Some things i said yes to. Other things i said hell no to.

Never have i got the impression that they only do all of this, because some company is paying them back handers or incentives to prescribe or use their products. More than likely thats going on, but I genuinely do believe they are trying to help me fight a battle.
I thank them kindly for that each and everytime i see them.

In a sense im a guinnea pig for them. I have accepted that whole heartedly and report anything odd right away. It has not been unusual for me to suffer some adverse side effects and treatment has had to be totally stopped. Now thats either been at my request or sometimes they pull the plug.
Then on the other side of the coin some treatments have worked fantastically well.

Your right, at times i have and in the future, may end up suffering by trying out these products. Its a price im willing to pay.
At the moment im watching the news closely, on the patients who have one of my conditions and are willingly participating in stem cell trials. Some of them will die on this trial, my heart goes out to them and their families.
My reason for telling you this is, that we cant always have the best, safe route options.
Medical science just aint that clever....yet.