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fskimospy said:
I think you are underestimating how likely this is. If vote totals are hacked it will likely take a while to find out that it happened, some states might not be able to figure it out at all, and you can be sure that Trump will move aggressively to block any investigations into it if he does win. That gives him plenty of time to declare that he was the victor, that people investigating it are partisan sore losers, and that even if it happened it wasn't enough to sway the election anyway.

That sort of mixed result along with Trump's obvious unwillingness to give up power so that he doesn't go to jail would cause absolute chaos. If it turns out we find that the Russians did it if Trump is still president he's not going to do anything and Republicans will declare it all fake news anyway. This election is going to be super dangerous for our country.
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If it doesn't work Russia will end up with the most hostile US posture outside worst days of the Cold War. Cyberwarfare retaliation would be a certainty plus somebody really motivated could cripple their economy quite rapidly and confiscate all that ill gotten wealth abroad. It's a really big risk to run.
 
fskimospy said:
I think you are underestimating how likely this is. If vote totals are hacked it will likely take a while to find out that it happened, some states might not be able to figure it out at all, and you can be sure that Trump will move aggressively to block any investigations into it if he does win. That gives him plenty of time to declare that he was the victor, that people investigating it are partisan sore losers, and that even if it happened it wasn't enough to sway the election anyway.

That sort of mixed result along with Trump's obvious unwillingness to give up power so that he doesn't go to jail would cause absolute chaos. If it turns out we find that the Russians did it if Trump is still president he's not going to do anything and Republicans will declare it all fake news anyway. This election is going to be super dangerous for our country.
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The GOP won't give up that data easily either. They'll certainly take a page from Kemp' GA playbook

www.apnews.com

APNewsBreak: Georgia election server wiped after suit filed

A computer server crucial to a lawsuit against Georgia election officials was quietly wiped clean by its custodians just after the suit was filed, The Associated Press has learned.
www.apnews.com www.apnews.com
 
K1052 said:
If it doesn't work Russia will end up with the most hostile US posture outside worst days of the Cold War. Cyberwarfare retaliation would be a certainty plus somebody really motivated could cripple their economy quite rapidly and confiscate all that ill gotten wealth abroad. It's a really big risk to run.
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I agree that the risks for them would be high but I wouldn't count it out considering the possible payoff.
 
ch33zw1z said:
The GOP won't give up that data easily either. They'll certainly take a page from Kemp' GA playbook

www.apnews.com

APNewsBreak: Georgia election server wiped after suit filed

A computer server crucial to a lawsuit against Georgia election officials was quietly wiped clean by its custodians just after the suit was filed, The Associated Press has learned.
www.apnews.com www.apnews.com
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Yep. If that interference causes Trump/the Republicans to win they will not care that the win was illegitimate, they will work to cover it up. I would bet a ton of money on that.
 
zinfamous said:
So if a newspaper corrects an improperly reported story, they are forever wrong about everything?

It seems you are whole-hog distrusting anything, because they engage in actual journalistic ethics.

This isn't how it works, but it is clear that you have been thoroughly gaslit into believing that news isn't news, facts aren't facts, and you should only ever believe information that sounds close enough to what you already believe, regardless of logic.
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That isn't what I said or what I implied.

The post I was responding to was citing the WaPo article as if it was supporting the wild speculation in this thread. It does not in fact support anything much as it is too light on facts and details.

Only pointing out the truth. I haven't made any determination as to what I believe about this story yet as the facts are severely lacking at this point.
 
pcgeek11 said:
That isn't what I said or what I implied.

The post I was responding to was citing the WaPo article as if it was supporting the wild speculation in this thread. It does not in fact support anything much as it is too light on facts and details.

Only pointing out the truth. I haven't made any determination as to what I believe about this story yet as the facts are severely lacking at this point.
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Yup, all we know so far is that Trump committed some criminally impeachable act that a maximum effort is being made to keep from becoming known by congress and that act itself is illegal. When evidence that Trump is a national threat and that evidence iis being suppressed, it's time to remove him right away. We have a traitorous senate that stands in the way of that. People should be looking for their pitchforks. You?
 
dank69 said:
And what is plan B if Russia successfully hacks enough polling stations and machines to eek out a win for Trump despite polls saying he will lose in a landslide?
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2nd amendment remedies of course! This is about the time we should be hearing from those, "the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time".

They'll be chiming in any minute now to defend us from this fascist.
 
pcgeek11 said:
That isn't what I said or what I implied.

The post I was responding to was citing the WaPo article as if it was supporting the wild speculation in this thread. It does not in fact support anything much as it is too light on facts and details.

Only pointing out the truth. I haven't made any determination as to what I believe about this story yet as the facts are severely lacking at this point.
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Just wondering what is your line he should not cross regarding finding dirt on opponents?
What would it look like to you regarding a foreign Government
 
dank69 said:
And what is plan B if Russia successfully hacks enough polling stations and machines to eek out a win for Trump despite polls saying he will lose in a landslide?
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I doubt they'll deviate from their successful methods of hacking the minds of Americans.
 
pcgeek11 said:
That isn't what I said or what I implied.

The post I was responding to was citing the WaPo article as if it was supporting the wild speculation in this thread. It does not in fact support anything much as it is too light on facts and details.

Only pointing out the truth. I haven't made any determination as to what I believe about this story yet as the facts are severely lacking at this point.
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I figure that the Trump admin would have just sent it to Congress if there were nothing to it. Stonewalling is the only way they have to cover for Trump's malfeasance in general.
 
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bew honest people...….everybody here knew thatb sooner or later....as it turned out it was later. that trump`s true colors would start to bleed and he would screw up royally......say it ain`t so!!!!
 
I know if I was some Ukrainian guy who had a tape of the alleged event. Choice being:
Trust the a President whom has an obvious bromance with Putin to do something good for me if I do something good for him. The same President who appears to have had the Republican platform changed to Crimea belongs to Russia.

or

Have someone from the Embassy in NY drop off the tape to the times and hope for a different President.

I’ll choose the later choice all the time.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Interesting question but I think that would be close to impossible. I don’t believe any States voting machines get connected to the internet
However that isn’t to say some malicious code gets in the machine from some sort of update or voter registries get hacked and suddenly 1/3rd the voters are tagged as unregistered.
No idea what happens. I’d guess the EC would have to decide, not that I think the EC is prepared or capable of making a decision at least per the previous SC ruling EC voters can vote however they choose without consequences.
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You were saying?

Some election systems left online and at risk of hacking despite denials from officials

Security researchers have found 35 backend election systems in 10 states that have connected to the internet at some point in the past year, putting them at risk of being hacked or tampered with, as first reported by Motherboard. The researchers also found that the election systems are behind firewalls that could be misconfigured or otherwise insecure.
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www.theverge.com

Some election systems left online and at risk of hacking despite denials from officials

A number of government officials have warned that election systems are at risk
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
 
Jhhnn said:
I doubt they'll deviate from their successful methods of hacking the minds of Americans.
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That was barely enough to win last time and he certainly hasn't gained many fans since then. I think it will take quite a bit more to push him over the edge in 2020.
 
After the 2016 election, everybody & their dog knows it's illegal for a campaign to accept anything of value from a foreign govt. Well, except maybe Trump & Giuliani, who appear to be soliciting it...
 
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