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Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Pelosi is likely the reason. Reportedly she is dead set on not rocking the boat so Trump can do anything he likes without interference. This is to win the 2020 election and is dumb AF simply because this allows Donnie an opportunity to bribe nations if he wishes with no consequences. It's getting to the point where I believe Dems are just going to roll over and play dead, maybe yipping like one of those little rat dogs.
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As a mostly Democrat voter and nearly a life long Democrat I agree. The House & Party aren’t doing enough and what they do attempt is ineffective.
 
VRAMdemon said:
Giuliani: I never asked Ukraine to intervene in the Biden investigation. Hell yes, I asked Ukraine to intervene in the Biden investigation and if Trump did do this, it was fine to do. Wtf!

So, Trump is pressuring Ukraine to interfere in the general election.

Obvious question: how extreme is cooperation w/ his friends who don’t need to be blackmailed: Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea?

Does anyone think the information that Trump attempted to collude with the Ukrainians to interfere in the 2020 election will give any pause to the folks claiming that Trump attempting to collude with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election was ridiculous?

Trump asks if anyone is dumb enough to believe that he would do something like is being alleged. The real question is does anyone believe that HE is dumb enough to have done it. Its a subtle difference but the first option implies that "you" are dumb if you believe it. I think we all know what the answer to the second question is.

What will Republicans do? Susan Collins will say she's deeply troubled and then sit on her hands. Moscow Mitch will say since the funds for election security were released there is nothing to the story because he probably knows Putin's cronies have their hooks firmly embedded in the US electoral machinery. So no harm in releasing the funds . Lindsey Graham will wipe the orange semen from his chin and say nothing to see here, move right along.
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It really is amazing that the guys who totally didn't collude with a foreign power to win the 2016 election got busted trying to collude with a foreign power to win the 2020 election.

I don't think it will give any pause to those people thought because let's be honest - they all know Trump was colluding with the Russians in 2016 or at least attempting to do so. They just lie about it because it's embarrassing and because it casts doubts on the election's legitimacy and they don't want that.
 
Laurence Tribe says that if the President is actually immune from criminal charges while in office then he must be removed immediately so he can be charged. Like everything Trump touches, American democratic traditions, dependent on a law respecting leader, have turned to dust. To save what is left of our party means the Republican enablers of criminality must be brought down. Who could have imagined that the simpering suck nut ingrates who make up our rising generations would have their chance at greatness. The 2020 election will tell us how they do. Well know pretty soon.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
As a mostly Democrat voter and nearly a life long Democrat I agree. The House & Party aren’t doing enough and what they do attempt is ineffective.
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The answer is simple but Dems have yet to have the stones.

Another subpoena is ignored? Get the Sgt at Arms of the House and other security to start arresting motherfuckers. They have the authority and believe me, people will start talking.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Pelosi is likely the reason. Reportedly she is dead set on not rocking the boat so Trump can do anything he likes without interference. This is to win the 2020 election and is dumb AF simply because this allows Donnie an opportunity to bribe nations if he wishes with no consequences. It's getting to the point where I believe Dems are just going to roll over and play dead, maybe yipping like one of those little rat dogs.
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I begin to wonder if Pelosi is intentionally throwing this election? Let me explain my reasoning.

She is not that dumb. She knows that the Republicans make plans so that the majority of the fallout of the shit they do falls on the next administration. Based on Trumps trade wars, complete lack of foreign policy, and the complete lack of financial responsibility the Republicans have been showing it is fairly reasonable to assume that the fallout of this Administration is going to be bad, and is going to come before the end of the next Presidential term. Whoever is the next President is going to have to own the shit the Republicans are doing now. So, perhaps Pelosi is betting that if the Republicans have to own all of this it might just be enough to end them, or at least force a major change in their current course.

It is just some theory crafting to try to figure out why she might be so against doing anything against this administration. Perhaps her real goal is to give them enough rope, and them leave them holding it.
 
SMOGZINN said:
I begin to wonder if Pelosi is intentionally throwing this election? Let me explain my reasoning.

She is not that dumb. She knows that the Republicans make plans so that the majority of the fallout of the shit they do falls on the next administration. Based on Trumps trade wars, complete lack of foreign policy, and the complete lack of financial responsibility the Republicans have been showing it is fairly reasonable to assume that the fallout of this Administration is going to be bad, and is going to come before the end of the next Presidential term. Whoever is the next President is going to have to own the shit the Republicans are doing now. So, perhaps Pelosi is betting that if the Republicans have to own all of this it might just be enough to end them, or at least force a major change in their current course.

It is just some theory crafting to try to figure out why she might be so against doing anything against this administration. Perhaps her real goal is to give them enough rope, and them leave them holding it.
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She is not throwing the election. I am certain she is laser focused on winning the next election.

She might have a bad strategy for it, but that's undeniably her goal.
 
ewdotson said:
If nothing else, the potential upcoming Supreme Court vacancies would make throwing the coming election sheer insanity.
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Also I can't think of almost any time in history where deliberately handing political power to your opponents has proven to be a winning strategy.

There are way too many variables at stake in any given election to think you can accurately predict the circumstances four years later. Because of this you try to win every election.
 
ewdotson said:
If nothing else, the potential upcoming Supreme Court vacancies would make throwing the coming election sheer insanity.
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I think it’s a foregone conclusion that Clarence Thomas is resigning next June and Mitch will hold immediate hearings on Thomas’ handpicked (meaning Thomas’ wife’s handpicked) Heritage Foundation felon. Trump will get his 3 picks, and God forbid another one if RBG can’t hold out.

Let me put it this way—even with my dual citizenship, I still wouldn’t leave America just because Trump wins the next election. But if gets to put 4 or more partisan hacks on SCOTUS, I’ll be up and gone like a fart in the wind.
 
ewdotson said:
If nothing else, the potential upcoming Supreme Court vacancies would make throwing the coming election sheer insanity.
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fskimospy said:
Also I can't think of almost any time in history where deliberately handing political power to your opponents has proven to be a winning strategy.

There are way too many variables at stake in any given election to think you can accurately predict the circumstances four years later. Because of this you try to win every election.
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Both good arguments. You are of course right.
 
pcgeek11 said:
And everybody know that the WaPo has never been wrong before... ever.
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So if a newspaper corrects an improperly reported story, they are forever wrong about everything?

It seems you are whole-hog distrusting anything, because they engage in actual journalistic ethics.

This isn't how it works, but it is clear that you have been thoroughly gaslit into believing that news isn't news, facts aren't facts, and you should only ever believe information that sounds close enough to what you already believe, regardless of logic.
 
zinfamous said:
So if a newspaper corrects an improperly reported story, they are forever wrong about everything?

It seems you are whole-hog distrusting anything, because they engage in actual journalistic ethics.

This isn't how it works, but it is clear that you have been thoroughly gaslit into believing that news isn't news, facts aren't facts, and you should only ever believe information that sounds close enough to what you already believe, regardless of logic.
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That's their strawman. Compare Trump's deliberate lies vs mistakes made by the media
 
UNCjigga said:
I think it’s a foregone conclusion that Clarence Thomas is resigning next June and Mitch will hold immediate hearings on Thomas’ handpicked (meaning Thomas’ wife’s handpicked) Heritage Foundation felon. Trump will get his 3 picks, and God forbid another one if RBG can’t hold out.

Let me put it this way—even with my dual citizenship, I still wouldn’t leave America just because Trump wins the next election. But if gets to put 4 or more partisan hacks on SCOTUS, I’ll be up and gone like a fart in the wind.
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Where's your duality from?
 
"It's none of the People's business if I discuss acts of treason with foreign leaders!"

LOL Trump..
 
Trump just had a presser. He chose reporters he knew wouldn't ask about whistleblower. The only only time he opens up to everyone if under the roar of a helicopter where it is almost impossible to ask followup.
 
pcgeek11 said:
And everybody know that the WaPo has never been wrong before... ever.
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I suppose multiple sources are wrong about this seemingly obvious issue that Giuliani and Trump have now all but admitted to. BTW, opinion columns are just that, opinions, which doesn't mean they're false.

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Did Trump Try to Extort the President of Ukraine Into Investigating Joe Biden?

New reports have illuminated the battle between Congress and the White House over access to a whistle-blower’s complaint about the President’s call with a foreign leader.
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i think what could put this over the edge is if it's true that Trump threatened US aid in order to get dirt on a political opponent. well, the current REpublican traitors will probably excuse that too so what am I thinking
 
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