Trump *is* the State, you silly man. As far as he's concerned, anyway. I'm sure his most devoted followers feel the same way. He is their voice & their salvation! He alone can fix it!
Trump *is* the State, you silly man. As far as he's concerned, anyway. I'm sure his most devoted followers feel the same way. He is their voice & their salvation! He alone can fix it!
I think it is very likely to be something of this nature. As I mentioned before the whistleblowing statute isn't about policy disagreements with the president, which is what some 'stupid promise' would likely fall under. That sort of complaint would be dismissed. Also, since whoever reported this must have known they were setting fire to their career by doing it, whatever happened was apparently serious enough for someone to do that.
I think whatever this is, it's bad.
woolfe9998
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OK, here's another good kick in the ass. Apparently, the whistleblower statute permits the whisteblower himself to take his complaint directly to Congress, but only if his complaint was deemed not credible by the IC IG! This is because the drafters of the statute never anticipated that a DNI would refuse to hand over a complaint deemed credible by the IC IG. So paradoxically, he may now not be able to present the complaint directly and still be protected by the whistleblower statute because his complaint was deemed credible.
www.lawfareblog.com
After Trump is out, we have a lot of fixing to do in our system. Especially the parts having to do with the accountability of our elected and appointed officials. I'm tried of the game being rigged in their favor.
Unpacking the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Complaint
Last week saw an important development in the continuing erosion of governmental checks and balances. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff subpoenaed
www.lawfareblog.com
After Trump is out, we have a lot of fixing to do in our system. Especially the parts having to do with the accountability of our elected and appointed officials. I'm tried of the game being rigged in their favor.
zinfamous
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Need to see a lot of GOP senators and congresscritters in handcuffs along with the Trump family and toadies once all of this shit is cleaned from the system.
Absolutely astonishing that any of this is tolerated.
Absolutely astonishing that any of this is tolerated.
More updates - apparently this complaint is about a series of actions by Trump, not just one phone call:
www.nytimes.com
Whistle-Blower Complaint Is Said to Involve Trump and Ukraine (Published 2019)
The complaint, from a member of the intelligence community, remained opaque but involved at least one of the president’s communications with a foreign leader.
OK, here's another good kick in the ass. Apparently, the whistleblower statute permits the whisteblower himself to take his complaint directly to Congress, but only if his complaint was deemed not credible by the IC IG! This is because the drafters of the statute never anticipated that a DNI would refuse to hand over a complaint deemed credible by the IC IG. So paradoxically, he may now not be able to present the complaint directly and still be protected by the whistleblower statute because his complaint was deemed credible.
Unpacking the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Complaint
Last week saw an important development in the continuing erosion of governmental checks and balances. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff subpoenaed
After Trump is out, we have a lot of fixing to do in our system. Especially the parts having to do with the accountability of our elected and appointed officials. I'm tried of the game being rigged in their favor.
The committee can grant him a writ of immunity that would stand up in any court. He'd still lose his job, of course, and Trump would bring in a toady.
The inspector general didn't exactly spill his guts. The DOJ "reasoning" on this is that the subject of the complaint is outside of the intelligence community, so the IC whistle-blower law doesn't apply. But the director of central intelligence wasn't supposed to go to DOJ for guidance. The law says he "shall" give it to congress with seven days.
So...The Inspector General, whose job it was to pass the whistleblower complaint to the House Intelligence Committee, advised Adam Schiff he was unable to do so because the Acting DNI forbade him based on some non-existent reasoning given him by the DOJ. There was no reason for the DOJ to become involved. The language in the rule compelling the IG to pass the complaint to the House Intelligence Committee is utterly unambiguous. There's no interpretation of the law to be made by the DOJ.
Since Trump supporters have been propagandized to believe that Russian support is preferable to Democrats winning an election, I doubt it will move the needle for them. Senate Republicans should be thinking long and hard about how this willful and blatant disregard for the rule of law could feel when the shoe is on the other foot, but I doubt they will. They've staked all their hopes on blindly following their lawless leader.
So, here we are. Lord, I hope there are tapes.
So...The Inspector General, whose job it was to pass the whistleblower complaint to the House Intelligence Committee, advised Adam Schiff he was unable to do so because the Acting DNI forbade him based on some non-existent reasoning given him by the DOJ. There was no reason for the DOJ to become involved. The language in the rule compelling the IG to pass the complaint to the House Intelligence Committee is utterly unambiguous. There's no interpretation of the law to be made by the DOJ.
Since Trump supporters have been propagandized to believe that Russian support is preferable to Democrats winning an election, I doubt it will move the needle for them. Senate Republicans should be thinking long and hard about how this willful and blatant disregard for the rule of law could feel when the shoe is on the other foot, but I doubt they will. They've staked all their hopes on blindly following their lawless leader.
So, here we are. Lord, I hope there are tapes.
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You have a link?
Edit: I found his here.
Zelensky defends relationship with US after Trump accused of pushing Ukraine to meddle in 2020 election
Ukraine’s new president insists that relations are ‘very good’ with the US and that there will be a meeting ‘soon’www.independent.co.uk
If thats it...this is really just the equivalent of “Russia, if you’re listening...” but since it was done clandestine instead of completely in the open, it makes it seem worse. And this time he's got the authority to promise aid, taxpayer money, etc.
MrSquished
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I dunno, I think it is far different than his Russia comment during the campaign. It's not that it seems worse, it's taht it is on a whole different level of bad.
If that's the case he can't play it off as a joke or sarcasm. Asking another world leader for dirty political favors is another thing. But if the repubs and the DOJ stonewall it could end up as dead as the Mueller Report.
I wonder how long until they get to the ‘even if Trump were using US foreign policy to get other countries to attack his domestic political enemies that’s not illegal’
K1052
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Rudy already told us that truth isn't truth. There is no truth. It's just whatever they can get people to believe.
He just wants folks to chase squirrels with him. It brings him great joy when they co-operate.
People are looking at the buffon. They don't see what the buffoon is actually managing to accomplish when it comes to the dismantlement of your govt.
Fascism in action.
For a while there I got carried away with the hope it was something Republicans would find to be a serious offense. Thanks for straightening me out on that.
Vic
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Geez, if only there was a picture of Trump wearing blackface, then Republicans might give a shit.
pcgeek11
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LOL, I only stated the obvious that the speculation on this thread is running wild with what it "might" be. The actual facts as of yesterday was very slim when I posted and even now.
pcgeek11
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This is all that I'm saying. Lots of speculation when the facts are not known.
I agree the complaint should have been passed along as per direction. I do not know why it wasn't.
pcgeek11
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