Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld

[VRAMdemon]

What Pelosi’s strategy here is? I can’t figure out what she’s doing. Or not doing. She's either over analyzing the situation. She's compromised (to which I don't believe is the case) or she's hamstrung. From what I understand, she still doesn't have the votes among her Democratic caucus to vote to initiate an impeachment investigation. Until she persuades the balky House Dems to go along, her hands are tied.

Although Pelosi told NPR that we should pass legislation explicitly permitting the indictment of a sitting President: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/20/polit...ion/index.html

Trump is Br'er Rabbit-ing the House into impeaching him so that A) if there's enough time for the Senate to acquit, he claims "TOTAL EXONERATION" before the 2020 election, and B) even if there isn't enough time for a Senate vote, he can put his "poor little put-upon President" schtick on an endless loop, whining about how The Big Meanie Democrats keep picking on him, "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT, SO UNFAIR! SAD!". Don't let him goad her into letting the Senate issue him a free pass.

It's possible she figures an impeachment hearing will have a more favorable effect on the outcome of the elections if they hold it next summer.I disagree. If there are legitimate grounds for impeachment (and obviously there are) the House should have been moving forward on them not delaying them until a time when they'll produce better ratings. I think that's going to backfire on the Democrats because it will make it easier for the Republicans to claim this is just partisan politics.

 

[HomerJS]

If Trump gets impeached one of the charges being abuse of power what if Pence is also involved?

Trump and Giuliani’s Quest for Fake Ukraine "Dirt” on Biden: An Explainer

Unpacking the context and chronology of a convoluted plot that may throw another wrench into the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

www.justsecurity.org

I thinking a 2-fer

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump is like the asshole in your rental house that you can't kick out.

Doesn't pay rent, shit all over the carpets, but he has a lease, so you have to go through the gears of justice, as slow as they turn. All the while he's also busy selling your furniture, but it's shat-on so it's not selling as well as before it was fouled. He has some buddies that harass the neighbors, but the cops never come because Trump knows the chief of police.

Repoter : "That sofa you showed us today, it looked like it almost had, like, shit on it"..

POTUS : I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

 

[JSt0rm]

You're the white guy supporting stormtroopers in your name, screw off.

this is your angle? Its fucking dumb.

 

[JSt0rm]

You have no idea what I think or believe.

you dont think and you believe in shit. You wasted your stupid life on nothing.

 

[Moonbeam]

you dont think and you believe in shit. You wasted your stupid life on nothing.

Funny how you can see it yourself when it's not about you and your attitude to Boomers. Why would you expect him to see when you can't see either?

But that's different? Sure it is. Hahaha!

 

[JSt0rm]

Funny how you can see it yourself when it's not about you and your attitude to Boomers. Why would you expect him to see when you can't see either?

But that's different? Sure it is. Hahaha!

Your head is in the sand. its pretty funny how offened you get when people criticize your generation. You are not enlightened.

 

[fskimospy]

Impeachment should start on Monday. Assuming the reports are accurate, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, this is the single largest and most dangerous abuse of presidential power in US history.

If impeachment wasn’t made to remove a president who is trying to use taxpayer money to extort foreign powers into intervening in our elections to attack the president’s domestic opponents then impeachment has no purpose.

Trump is a traitor to the country and after he is out of office he needs to be prosecuted.

 

[JSt0rm]

Impeachment should start on Monday. Assuming the reports are accurate, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, this is the single largest and most dangerous abuse of presidential power in US history.

If impeachment wasn’t made to remove a president who is trying to use taxpayer money to extort foreign powers into intervening in our elections to attack the president’s domestic opponents then impeachment has no purpose.

Trump is a traitor to the country and after he is out of office he needs to be prosecuted.

The death penalty should be reserved for people like this.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'd like to see the actual whistleblower report, but if Trump really did dangle US taxpayer money to extort a foreign government into doing him a political favor, I've now officially changed my mind about impeachment. They should start proceedings ASAP. If this is what it looks like, it's exactly what many of us believed happened in 2016 which Mueller couldn't prove, and it's worse than Watergate.

 

[Gabe323]

Still not as concerning as white privilege or climate change.

 

[fskimospy]

I'd like to see the actual whistleblower report, but if Trump really did dangle US taxpayer money to extort a foreign government into doing him a political favor, I've now officially changed my mind about impeachment. They should start proceedings ASAP. If this is what it looks like, it's exactly what many of us believed happened in 2016 which Mueller couldn't prove, and it's worse than Watergate.

Far, far worse than Watergate.

 

[Moonbeam]

What Pelosi’s strategy here is? I can’t figure out what she’s doing. Or not doing. She's either over analyzing the situation. She's compromised (to which I don't believe is the case) or she's hamstrung. From what I understand, she still doesn't have the votes among her Democratic caucus to vote to initiate an impeachment investigation. Until she persuades the balky House Dems to go along, her hands are tied.

Although Pelosi told NPR that we should pass legislation explicitly permitting the indictment of a sitting President: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/20/polit...ion/index.html

Trump is Br'er Rabbit-ing the House into impeaching him so that A) if there's enough time for the Senate to acquit, he claims "TOTAL EXONERATION" before the 2020 election, and B) even if there isn't enough time for a Senate vote, he can put his "poor little put-upon President" schtick on an endless loop, whining about how The Big Meanie Democrats keep picking on him, "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT, SO UNFAIR! SAD!". Don't let him goad her into letting the Senate issue him a free pass.

It's possible she figures an impeachment hearing will have a more favorable effect on the outcome of the elections if they hold it next summer.I disagree. If there are legitimate grounds for impeachment (and obviously there are) the House should have been moving forward on them not delaying them until a time when they'll produce better ratings. I think that's going to backfire on the Democrats because it will make it easier for the Republicans to claim this is just partisan politics.

She is doing exactly what Republicans do, party over country based on a philosophical certainty that only retaining a Democrat majority in the house can save the country. It's a fascinating dilemma. If she does what is morally right, and impeach Trump who surely and certainly needs to be impeached to end the cycle of massive damage he has already done to the country, the brain dead in this country might vote out their newly elected Democrat Representatives and elect Republican ones. So doing the right thing will have a very bad result. On the other hand, if she does the utilitarian thing and foregoes moral action today, she risks the both sides reality of both parties caring only for their own best interests. The moral long term realization that a return of Republican control of the house would be a cataclysmic disaster, which I think would probably turn out to be a true disaster, will be lost on the brain dead, who could then make it happen.

Thus we seem to be in a moral dilemma. The more the Democrats strive to show the brain dead what an evil Trump really is, the more heat they generate among those who already see this, folk like yourself. They want action now, action that in a longer view might be disastrous.

But nobody can see the future or predict what for certain would be the best way to go.

So we are left with the Democrats trying to educate the American people they have a monster as Pres. while the more they do that and don't act the more they look like moral cowards. Not a really comfortable place to be.

So, should they abandon investigating Trump and stop feeding the moral outrage of those who are awake to who Trump really is, and stick with beating him on policy in 2020, or should they fucking speed up the investigations by indicting everybody in sight and start charging them with contempt of congress and fining their asses. In a long life of presenting what I call reality, I have proven in every cell of my body that when the news is something we don't want to hear, it is not the truth that gets embraced but the messenger that gets shot.

But regardless of what the truth may be or what the best course of action should be, I know that nothing will change the fact that what actually happens will happen mechanically. Everything will happen exactly as it must based on the average conscious level of evolution of the players. My hope is that my puny effort here advances that microscopically.

 

[ivwshane]

If Trump gets impeached one of the charges being abuse of power what if Pence is also involved?

Trump and Giuliani’s Quest for Fake Ukraine "Dirt” on Biden: An Explainer

Unpacking the context and chronology of a convoluted plot that may throw another wrench into the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

www.justsecurity.org

I thinking a 2-fer

And have Mitch McConnell as president? I think I'll take my chances with pence.

 

[jman19]

And have Mitch McConnell as president? I think I'll take my chances with pence.

I thought the Speaker of the House is 3rd in line?

 

[ivwshane]

I thought the Speaker of the House is 3rd in line?

Oops. You are right. 2-fer it is!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Your head is in the sand. its pretty funny how offened you get when people criticize your generation. You are not enlightened.

Doubtless, it's because my head is in the sand that I can see that where you stand I see only da feet.

I'm not offended. You have a lot to learn and I'm not deterred by your insults to tell you what that is. When an adult speaks to a child the adult is the only one who knows who is who.

When it comes to pcgeek11 you guys are loaded for bear. You are all so easily offended when someone appears to criticize your generation, no not generation, but political beliefs, sacred cows in other words. It's all the same thing. Funny how easily offended you are and how you stick your heads in the sand. You are just not enlightened. What you never do is look for any commonality, or anything that might indicate how he really sees things. You guys, when threatened by what you see as irrationality become irrational yourselves, threatened, and authoritarian. What if you looked at others as if they were just like you doing the best they can and work to help them see better with a lot more patients and diplomacy.

I know, I know....... So much stress and you need to jack off. I too used to be getting old like you, but I grow younger now. I actually do stop and smell roses in broad daylight. The Boomers, who are they. Is not the glorious light of the sun the same for every Being who is there. To be or not to be. In neither state does time exist.

 

[JSt0rm]

Doubtless, it's because my head is in the sand that I can see that where you stand I see only da feet.

I'm not offended. You have a lot to learn and I'm not deterred by your insults to tell you what that is. When an adult speaks to a child the adult is the only one who knows who is who.

When it comes to pcgeek11 you guys are loaded for bear. You are all so easily offended when someone appears to criticize your generation, no not generation, but political beliefs, sacred cows in other words. It's all the same thing. Funny how easily offended you are and how you stick your heads in the sand. You are just not enlightened. What you never do is look for any commonality, or anything that might indicate how he really sees things. You guys, when threatened by what you see as irrationality become irrational yourselves, threatened, and authoritarian. What if you looked at others as if they were just like you doing the best they can and work to help them see better with a lot more patients and diplomacy.

I know, I know....... So much stress and you need to jack off. I too used to be getting old like you too, but I grow younger now. I actually do stop and smell roses in broad daylight. The Boomers, who are they. Is not the glorious light of the sun the same for every Being who is there. To be or not to be. In neither state does time exist.

you are such a whiny bitch.

 

[Moonbeam]

 

[JSt0rm]

View attachment 11077

Give me reasons. Since you want to shit up the thread with unreleated "im butt hurt you dont like me" Give me reasons why millenials are worse then your generation. Go for it. I gave you reams of information on why your generation is the worst generation so have at it.

 

[JSt0rm]

go ahead you little twerp. Tell me why you are better then this absolute beast I'm working with who is raising 3 kids AND paying $800 a month for student debt for the next 27 years. While you did what? You paid $400 a semester? You soft. You dont even know what hard is. crybaby.

 

[esquared]

Come on jstorm and moonie.
Take it to the appropriate thread. Quit trashing this thread.

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[esquared]

Here's a good article today from the NYT.

Shows that cheeto himself has no love lost for the Ukraine:
Behind the Whistleblower Case, a Long-Held Trump Grudge Toward Ukraine

Behind the Whistleblower Case, a Long-Held Trump Grudge Toward Ukraine

WASHINGTON -- For months this spring and summer, Ukraine's newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, tried to deflect pressure from President Donald Trump and his allies to pursue investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden, Biden's son and other Trump rivals.The pressure was so...

news.yahoo.com

For months, fatty was pressuring a neophyte president, when it was clear Zelenskiy didn't want to
get involved.

"Zelenskiy’s transition team, not wanting to be seen as taking sides in U.S. politics, rebuffed a request from Giuliani
for a meeting with the new president, a former adviser to Zelenskiy, Serhiy Leshchenko, said in an interview.
“It was clear that the Zelenskiy team doesn’t want to interfere in American politics,” Leshchenko said.
“They were very angry about this issue.”

 

[Moonbeam]

Come on jstorm and moonie.
Take it to the appropriate thread. Quit trashing this thread.

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That might depend on how you look at thread trashing, at least in my opinion. I gave my direct addition to the thread on #263. For me the thread trashing involves the vitriolic attacks between posters, and in particular, here, on the left to others on the right, attacks full, in my opinion, of the trash of presumption. First step in taking it out is bagging it and labeling it for what it is.

None of this is personal for me. I had a lengthy and “masterpiece”of a reply almost ready to go, that was interrupted by a long phone call, allowing time for you to post to appear which I erased to comply with your wishes you expressed.

For me the value of these forums isn’t so much in what is said, but the experience we have in exchange. It’s not the knowledge we acquire that is of value, it’s having an opportunity to become more fully human. The critic must yield to empathy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

hey guys lets all gather round in a circle and hold hands and sing Kum Ba Ya…...