Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

[SP33Demon]

Tebo > Elway so far, so stfu haters.

 

[FallenHero]

It's funny because the Broncos just fucked themselves in the draft and for next year. You cant bench Tebow now, even though he will never ever win you anything of significance. You are watching the decline of a franchise right before your eyes people. Marvel in it's glory.

 

[mvbighead]

All of the QBs you listed could throw the ball with more strength and accuracy than Tebow.

You would think that if Tebow was truly dedicated to being a QB that he would have improved his mechanics prior to being drafted and afterwards. Can you list any successful modern day QB that has thrown for less than 50% accuracy? Hit a WR in stride less than 50% of the time, ok.

All of the QBs that I have listed have been questioned at one time or another. Vince is the one that specifically comes to mind. His throwing motion was/is atrocious. Yet when he completes about 50-55% of his passes, and runs a little, his team generally wins games.

Again, Tebow is as green as they get. Why the hell you're so hard up for him to be a perfect passer in his first season as a starter is beyond me.

Mark Sanchez threw for 54 and 55% completions in his first two seasons.

Matt Stafford threw for 53.3% in his first season.

Vince Young threw 51.5%.

All of these guys were (or are) promising young QBs. Only one of them has the running skills that Tebow has. He just so happens to be the one who has had a winning career when he was whining about fans booing him.

Again, no one is suggesting Tebow will be a prolific passer. Simply that he could possibly succeed with his skillset and marginal improvement in his passing, which can take time. Manning didn't throw 49TDs his first season. Tebow won't throw 20 in his.

You aren't actually calling those QB's wildcat QB's are you?

Wildcat QB is a word you apparently are using. I am simply listing several QBs who have the ability to run as well as pass. Vick has just recently shown what can happen when a good athlete develops as a QB. He has also more recently shown that he can regress just as easily.

From what I've read, Timmy is a hard worker. He may be able to put in the work and succeed for longer than a season as a pro QB. He may not. Only time will tell that story.

 

[mvbighead]

It's funny because the Broncos just fucked themselves in the draft and for next year. You cant bench Tebow now, even though he will never ever win you anything of significance. You are watching the decline of a franchise right before your eyes people. Marvel in it's glory.

Yeah, because no team can ever find talent with lower draft selections...

Tom Brady <cough>

Antoine Bethea <cough>

Miles Austin <cough>

London Fletcher

Or I could show you the reverse:

Ryan Leaf

Matt Leinart

Reggie Bush

etc., etc.

The list surely goes on, but you get the idea. Good teams still find talent in the draft despite not picking #1 overall. Some even find talent after the draft.

 

[AMDZen]

Indeed.

Chris Harris has been dynamite for us the last few weeks and he was undrafted

Hell, Arian Foster went undrafted.

I could name tons of players who went undrafted and are doing well

 

[FallenHero]

Yeah, because no team can ever find talent with lower draft selections...

Tom Brady <cough>

Antoine Bethea <cough>

Miles Austin <cough>

London Fletcher

Or I could show you the reverse:

Ryan Leaf

Matt Leinart

Reggie Bush

etc., etc.

The list surely goes on, but you get the idea. Good teams still find talent in the draft despite not picking #1 overall. Some even find talent after the draft.

And talent ages quickly in the NFL. Tebow will make that entire team age while his sub-par talents keep them as a .500 team at best. It will be stuck in mediocrity for years.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Yeah, because no team can ever find talent with lower draft selections...

Tom Brady <cough>

Antoine Bethea <cough>

Miles Austin <cough>

London Fletcher

Or I could show you the reverse:

Ryan Leaf

Matt Leinart

Reggie Bush

etc., etc.

The list surely goes on, but you get the idea. Good teams still find talent in the draft despite not picking #1 overall. Some even find talent after the draft.

But teams that draft well typically draft well in the early rounds as well, and more talent is in the early rounds.

 

[AMDZen]

And talent ages quickly in the NFL. Tebow will make that entire team age while his sub-par talents keep them as a .500 team at best. It will be stuck in mediocrity for years.

Sounds kind of like the Bears, and when was the last time you won the super bowl? 1986?

Sounds like 25 years of mediocrity to me, with one fluke SB run where Manning kicked your ass.

Two can play at this game.

 

[CPA]

It's funny because the Broncos just fucked themselves in the draft and for next year. You cant bench Tebow now, even though he will never ever win you anything of significance. You are watching the decline of a franchise right before your eyes people. Marvel in it's glory.

You must be a Faiders fan.

edit: just saw that you're a Bears fan. That explains everything - you're just pissed off at us for giving you Cutler.

 

[IAteYourMother]

You must be a Faiders fan.

edit: just saw that you're a Bears fan. That explains everything - you're just pissed off at us for giving you Cutler.

Yeah Denver totally won that deal

 

[AMDZen]

Yeah Denver totally won that deal

Cutler is definitely >>>> Orton

But is he better than Tebow? For now of course, he has a great arm. But in the long run? We'll see.

Personally, I was really upset we lost Cutler until last year when he quit in the NFC championship game.

Thats one thing I can say for Tebow, he would never quit or even let his try pants fall down even a little. He could be losing 44-7 and still keep trying and giving it 100%, as he did against Detroit.

Cutler's attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[CPA]

Shamelessly stolen from ESPN's Page 2

Another ugly performance by Tim Tebow, another victory. Many of us were laughing when he opened the season as Denver's third-string quarterback, but I can't do it anymore. He's won me over. I am now an unabashed Tebowist. And this is what I believe:

I believe there is nothing wrong with having more points than completions. I am a Tebowist.

I enjoy rooting for someone who was drafted in the final round of my fantasy league as a joke. I am a Tebowist.

I like watching someone whose every success is deemed a one-time fluke by the experts, and I like how this happens week after week after week. I am a Tebowist.

I am intrigued listening to a guy whose postgame comments sound scripted and clichéd, yet sincere and impassioned at the same time. I am a Tebowist.

I believe that sometimes the best way to choose a quarterback is not by making an informed decision based on weeks of performance in practice, but by heeding the advice of a billboard alongside Interstate 25. I am a Tebowist.

I enjoy believing in the goodness of someone simply because so many others believe he is too good to be true. I am a Tebowist.

I think it's hilarious that the hottest team in the AFC West is quarterbacked not by a former No. 4 overall pick and three-time Pro Bowler, and not by a former No. 1 overall pick who was acquired for a first- and second-round pick, and not by someone who supposedly had the secrets of football perfection passed down to him by Tom Brady and Bill Belichick ... but by a guy who many think should be a tight end. I am a Tebowist.

I am fascinated by the idea that "intangibles" and "heart" might actually be real things and not just clichés that desperate announcers resort to using when they're out of things to say. I am a Tebowist.

I don't think it's a tragedy that most of the people reading this have a better throwing motion than a starting NFL quarterback. I am a Tebowist.
I like rooting for someone who has legitimate "haters," all of whom despise him for completely irrational reasons. I am a Tebowist.

I am intrigued by someone who, in an age of technology and communication, decided to communicate his beliefs via eye black. I am a Tebowist.
I sometimes wonder if he makes all those mistakes in the first three quarters because he is setting up some kind of trap for the opposing team. I am a Tebowist.
I think it's funny that Tim Tebow has more wins this season than Michael Vick. I am a Tebowist.

I wonder if Tim Tebow is an Internet troll who grew huge muscles and became a football player and is currently engaged in an epic prank on the NFL and football media. I am a Tebowist.

I think it's amazing that despite playing in eight games this season and starting five, Tim Tebow still doesn't have enough pass attempts to qualify for the list of NFL passer rating leaders. I am a Tebowist.

I think it's hilarious that if Tim Tebow did show up in the list of NFL passer rating leaders, he would be listed ahead of Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman and Colt McCoy. I am a Tebowist.

I wonder how many other great college quarterbacks who supposedly were unable to throw or read a defense could currently be leading an NFL team to victories. I am a Tebowist.

I wonder why every other team in the AFC West doesn't scrap their pro style systems, too, because -- hey, why not try something that might work? I am a Tebowist.

I think it's great that someone who has success off the field by doing everything right also has success on the field by doing everything wrong. I am a Tebowist.

I enjoy every shot of John Fox and John Elway at the end of another Tebow win when they look like they don't know whether to laugh or cry. I am a Tebowist.

I believe a jump pass looks textbook if it lands in the arms of the intended receiver in the end zone. I am a Tebowist.

I feel that if Tim Tebow held a quarterback camp, people would only show up to get his autograph. I am a Tebowist.

I wonder if Kyle Orton wishes he had never learned how to throw properly. I am a Tebowist.

I think it's a waste of time to assume Tim Tebow is a hypocrite with skeletons in his closet until he does something to suggest that he is a hypocrite with skeletons in his closet. I am a Tebowist.

I believe in the power of things unseen, but I believe even more in the power of things I can see. Like the scoreboard. I am a Tebowist.

I know that even if Tim Tebow never wins another game in the NFL, he's still won four more than many observers thought he could. I am a Tebowist.

I am confident that Tim Tebow will never look like a good quarterback. And that it might not matter. I am a Tebowist.

I believe that Tim Tebow > memes. I am a Tebowist.

I believe Tim Tebow has whatever "it" is, and that the definition of "it" is "what Tim Tebow has." I am a Tebowist.

 

[BudAshes]

You must be a Faiders fan.

edit: just saw that you're a Bears fan. That explains everything - you're just pissed off at us for giving you Cutler.

Yeah cutler is so terrible he made it to the playoffs last year and is leading one of the best teams in football. Cutler is a top 10 qb no matter what retarded denver fans say. If he wasn't on the receiver lacking bears he would be putting up phillip rivers like stats.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah cutler is so terrible he made it to the playoffs last year and is leading one of the best teams in football. Cutler is a top 10 qb no matter what retarded denver fans say. If he wasn't on the receiver lacking bears he would be putting up phillip rivers like stats.

Eh. Chicago has one of the best special teams squads in the NFL. Forte is an absolute beast. And the defense has been surprisingly good this year. That's why Chicago is where they are right now. There's actually an inverse to pass plays vs. running plays when it comes to wins for Chicago. The more they run, the more they win. Lets not forget that Chicago went to the playoffs in '05 with Orton under center and the year after that to the Superbowl with Grossman. Either of those guys top 10?

 

[angminas]

If the broncos somehow stumble into the playoffs, they are going to be sorely disappointed once they face a good team.

No, they're going to be REALLY glad to be there at all. They could lose the rest of their games (which won't happen) and it would already be an improvement over last season. Getting to the playoffs would be a major accomplishment for the Broncos and nothing to be disappointed about, even if they get MDK'd in the first round.

 

[angminas]

It's funny because the Broncos just fucked themselves in the draft and for next year. You cant bench Tebow now, even though he will never ever win you anything of significance. You are watching the decline of a franchise right before your eyes people. Marvel in it's glory.

You're right, we should have kept Orton in there and put the entire organization through a miserable, demoralizing, wasted season.

 

[JS80]

I wonder if Tim Tebow is an Internet troll who grew huge muscles and became a football player and is currently engaged in an epic prank on the NFL and football media. I am a Tebowist.

lol would be an ATOTer no doubt

 

[thegimp03]

I will be interested to see what happens when Denver plays Chicago in a couple of weeks.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Cutler is definitely >>>> Orton

But is he better than Tebow? For now of course, he has a great arm. But in the long run? We'll see.

Personally, I was really upset we lost Cutler until last year when he quit in the NFC championship game.

Thats one thing I can say for Tebow, he would never quit or even let his try pants fall down even a little. He could be losing 44-7 and still keep trying and giving it 100%, as he did against Detroit.

Cutler's attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

No doubt Tebows got every intangible you want in a QB or in any football player. Plus, he's actually a much better runner than I expected coming out of college.

At the same time, I think any observer can see he's a pretty terrible passer. Sure, you might argue that he can have long-term success by being this hybrid FB/QB, but I seriously doubt that if he can't throw any better... short term success can happen through big changes... take a look at the Wildcat offense that flamed out. Whenever you have a QB or coaching change, there's often short-term success regardless of any actual improvement. Take a look at the 49ers last year, they had short term success going to Troy Smith as their QB, but defenses caught up after several games.

The more convincing argument is that Tebow can ride his short-term success while honing his passing skills to become a complete passer. Yet, based on what I've seen so far he needs a lot of work, and I wouldn't bet on it happening.

So there's a chance, but if you're Elway, you can't plan on it happening in my opinion.

 

[The_Dude8]

I will be interested to see what happens when Denver plays Chicago in a couple of weeks.

I want to see Denver plays against the Patriots in Week 15, where the Pats can scores points unlike the jets.

 

[CPA]

I want to see Denver plays against the Patriots in Week 15, where the Pats can scores points unlike the jets.

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that game.

My biggest problem is, however, which QB to play in my fantasy league: I have both Tebow and Brady.

 

[MotF Bane]

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that game.

My biggest problem is, however, which QB to play in my fantasy league: I have both Tebow and Brady.

That's easy.

 

[HendrixFan]

that was his point...Vince Young is a "proven winner" yet is now only a perennial backup, you really couldn't put that together? wow...

He said that there was a short term benefit to Young but long term he couldn't learn an offense. A record like that isn't short term. Young also was leading the AFC in passer rating when his season was up with the Titans last year, while improving his passer rating each season.

I didn't put together your little story because it makes no sense and contradicts what he actually said.

 

[The_Dude8]

He said that there was a short term benefit to Young but long term he couldn't learn an offense. A record like that isn't short term. Young also was leading the AFC in passer rating when his season was up with the Titans last year, while improving his passer rating each season.

I didn't put together your little story because it makes no sense and contradicts what he actually said.

and Young has a great RB in CJ2k a few years back, which keep the defense honest, but now CJ2k turns into CJMIA after he got pay.

Let see how Vince young going to perform this sunday with the Eagles.

 

[HendrixFan]

When Young was the QB they were a run-first defensice team. When Young wasn't QB and they went with Collins, Fisher went to a pass-first scheme. Tennessee was not set up to be a pass-first team, hence they lost quite a bit more.

As time went on Fisher stayed with the pass-first scheme (a scheme that is "traditional" in this day and age) and tried to force Young to run it. He couldn't, got pouty, and the immaturity and inability to run the offense led to his being released.

So they revamped the entire offensive scheme whenever Young got injured or when Collins was picked to play ahead of him? Is that your recollection of the situation? Followed by Young getting released because he couldn't handle a pass first scheme? While CJ was running for 2K yards? While Young was the top rated passer in the AFC? Do you realize you just made up around 98% of that post?