Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

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Capt Caveman

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Tebow is like what happened when Miami brought out the Wildcat offense a few years ago. For about a season and a half it was effective because defenses didn't know what to do with it. When they learned it stopped being effective and became something that gets used once or twice a game rather than as a full offensive scheme. Tebow presents problems short term because nobody has seen enough of him to drill their defense on how to stop what he does. By week 1 of next season he's history because everybody is going to know how to take him out.

This. Nothing but a short-term freak show against bad teams. A team needs to throw in the NFL and Tebow has had two years in the Pros and his whole life to learn how to throw a football properly and isn't willing to learn.
 

bunnyfubbles

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yup, just another Vince Young aberration

besides a 5 game sample size is just way too small to make any kind of conclusion, heck an entire single season isn't enough

If Tebow and the Broncos lose out he'll be 4-7 as a starter and all this talk right now is worthless. The only way we could even begin to start talking about him as being legit is if the Broncos make it to the playoffs and win a playoff game because of Tebow's play, not in spite of. So keep your pants on until after the season is over and then we can objectively look at his merit. Right now he's still most likely a joke of a QB who's only accomplishments justify him only being in the game in the 4th quarter if the team is down. Although I'm not convinced a 2 QB system could ever work like it does with RBs, as even though his 3 quarters of utter failure somehow doesn't ruin him for the 4th quarter, it might be necessary for him to warm up and shake all that fail off just to find some degree of success in the 4th.
 

bunnyfubbles

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This. Nothing but a short-term freak show against bad teams. A team needs to throw in the NFL and Tebow has had two years in the Pros and his whole life to learn how to throw a football properly and isn't willing to learn.

not sure that's fair, I'm confident Tebow is a hard worker who is very willing to learn, I think the real problem is that he is just unable to do so, he simply doesn't have the natural ability to throw the ball with accuracy to WRs running routes across the field. You can coach and train him to death how to read routes and coverage and lead receivers, but if his brain simply cannot perform the calculations it simply won't matter.
 

Miramonti

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Last game iirc he was 2/8 passing...LOL.

In 3 of 4 wins, his defense kept teams 15 or less points. The other was <25 pts.

Just like the Bears for quite a few years...a sh!tty quarterback but the defense keeps the game low scoring and within reach.
 

NeoV

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I still don't get why he' so polarizing...enjoying watching them play though
 

bradley

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By the half, I got tired of wating for the game to begin... seemed like it was pre-season. And after the last two season's of progress, Sanchez has really taken a nose-dive. Wow, what an all-around bad game.
 

HendrixFan

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Tebow : Denver :: Young : Tennessee

A change of pace that will win some games in the short term just because he's different, but soon will be a backup that can't learn/operate an offense.

Since 2006, Tennessee is 30-17 with Vince Young at quarterback, 18-23 with anyone else.

I'm not quite sure how your statement fits in with that fact.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Since 2006, Tennessee is 30-17 with Vince Young at quarterback, 18-23 with anyone else.

I'm not quite sure how your statement fits in with that fact.

that was his point...Vince Young is a "proven winner" yet is now only a perennial backup, you really couldn't put that together? wow...
 

Patranus

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Whatever, these miracle wins aren't going to last forever. He is just a fad.

Not a Tebow fan but that is what they said after his first week, then his 3rd, then the 4th, and now the 5th.

The guy is 4-1 with 3 of the 4 wins above .500 teams.
 
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He's polarizing because he sucks as a QB. I think Tomlinson is probably a better QB. Tebow is a running back they're trying to force to throw. The other reason is we have to hear about him every 2 seconds.

Hell, the only reason they're even running well is because they're putting about 8 blockers out there and just overwhelming the other teams defense as much as they can. Look at how well their running backs which had been doing really shitty before they started going to this scheme started doing. In other words, its not Tebow, its their line. Yet, people act like its all Tebow's doing which is just idiotic.

When the Broncos go up against teams that can pass the ball well (Packers, Saints, Steelers) they'll probably get their shit rocked because Tebow will have to throw for them to have any chance.

Who should really be getting praise is John Fox for being willing to go to such a scheme. Their defense was awful last year, so trying something like this could have been really bad. Funny thing is, I think its a big reason their defense is playing better as they're able to stay fresh.

Hell, they're punter deserves as much credit for their success as Tebow does.

Not a Tebow fan but that is what they said after his first week, then his 3rd, then the 4th, and now the 5th.

The guy is 4-1 with 3 of the 4 wins above .500 teams.

You people do know he started games last year too, right?

3 of those wins were against bad teams (Dolphins, Raiders, and Chiefs) and his team barely won them. They're winning because their defense is playing good enough to keep them in the game despite Tebow, and their offensive scheme is working just well enough right now.

That's no fluke friend. Reminds me of people saying the Buckeyes' 14-0 season was luck after each game they won.

If Denver wises up and tailors that offense to Tebow just imagine.

Uh, that's the reason they've had the little success they'd had, they've basically gone to a run mentality. Its not that much different from when Miami went to the Wildcat offense and had some success for a little while. It won't last. The other thing is, it has nothing to do with Tebow. Any coach willing to just put two running backs that aren't completely terrible behind a huge line is going to find some success for a while.

Once teams scheme for the Broncos new plan, or they play teams that can actually pass the fucking ball like the Packers or Saints, they'll have to rely on Tebow's arm to win the game, and that has not happened yet and if you watch, you can see why (he sucks at throwing the ball, he might be worse than JaMarcus Russell).
 
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a123456

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I still don't get why he' so polarizing...enjoying watching them play though

Haha. It's because he's hugely followed and very in your face. He has had the #1 selling jersey in the whole NFL when he was on the bench. Then, when he plays, he proves both sides correct. All the naysayers will say his QB play sucks because he's inaccurate and has bad mechanics. The fans of Tebow will says wins are all that matters even if it's ugly. So all around, it makes a hot button topic.

If Orton had been playing, I probably wouldn't have watched the game. With Tebow playing, I tuned in just to see the Tebow time.

I thought that the Denver D, which played well for 60 full minutes, should have gotten more credit. Von Miller had a sublime game and he's proven to be a really good draft pick for them. He's on pace to set the rookie record for sacks. In the same 4-1 run, the defense has been near the top of the league.

I agree that eventually teams will play better against Denver once there's more film to analyze but if they can make a playoff run off this, more power to them.
 
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Haha. It's because he's hugely followed and very in your face. He has had the #1 selling jersey in the whole NFL when he was on the bench. Then, when he plays, he proves both sides correct. All the naysayers will say his QB play sucks because he's inaccurate and has bad mechanics. The fans of Tebow will says wins are all that matters even if it's ugly. So all around, it makes a hot button topic.

If Orton had been playing, I probably wouldn't have watched the game. With Tebow playing, I tuned in just to see the Tebow time.

I thought that the Denver D, which played well for 60 full minutes, should have gotten more credit. Von Miller had a sublime game and he's proven to be a really good draft pick for them. He's on pace to set the rookie record for sacks. In the same 4-1 run, the defense has been near the top of the league.

I agree that eventually teams will play better against Denver once there's more film to analyze but if they can make a playoff run off this, more power to them.

Tebow needs to be kissing Von Miller's ass. He's played out of his mind (as in MVP caliber) and he's a rookie. He's the biggest reason the Denver defense isn't like it was last year and why the Broncos are starting to win games.
 

Tea Bag

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Dude, I picked Denver to win tonight on my pick 'em league, and not because Denver is a great team.

My opponent picked the Jets, and I'm the only one left. Winner gets free transactions in a money FF league.

#TEBOWING
 

IndyColtsFan

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Where is our resident Jets fan and the excuses? The Super Bowl prediction Rex made looks funny now.
 

SP33Demon

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Spirituality = no fear. And that TD run was fearless. Christ is working through this guy, even if he does stupid sht like pray in the end zone.
 

KMFJD

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rasczak

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I know you're excited, but until he is able to pass successfully (60&#37; at least), then he will be a failure and out of the league in a few years.
 

bignateyk

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He really does suck, but it's pretty funny the Jets lost after talking shit on him all week long.
 

JulesMaximus

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while i'm not a tebow hater at all, tebow only "won" today because mark sanchez had more passing tds for the broncos than tebow did.

That Sanchez turnover that was returned for a touchdown was the game changer. Tebow looked horrible up until that last drive.

I'm glad the Jets lost though. :thumbsup:
 
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mvbighead

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that was his point...Vince Young is a "proven winner" yet is now only a perennial backup, you really couldn't put that together? wow...

Vince Young had maturity issues. Vince could win, he just couldn't deal with the pressure of a loss or two.

I find it amazing that people still hold to some mindset that you simply cannot win in the NFL by running the football well.

To me, the worst QB on the field looked to be on the other side of the field last night. Hell, they're already posting articles that the Jets are going to look to sign Manning if he gets released by the Colts.

Thing is, Tebow has thrown 7TDs and 1 INT during this season. That tells me that he makes smart plays, which keep his team in position throughout the game, to be in contention for a W. He's an ugly passer, no doubt, but his other skills challenge defenses. It adds an additional element they have to deal with.

Had Vince had a cool head, he'd quite possibly still be a starter in this league. 50% completion percentage is not a good number, but when you add 50-100 yards of rushing to it, it pretty much balances out.