Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

[Jhhnn]

I just find it amusing that you are so certain. Evangelicals voted Trump at a higher rate than they voted for Romney. Something like 81%. Romney got in the 70's. Given Donald's behavior, he should have gotten a much lower percentage of religiously serious people, like 40%. That likely would have given Clinton the margin of victory.

Romney is a Mormon. Beyond that, Evangelicals are single issue voters- abortion. Donald said he'd seen the light & was on their side. Falwell, Pence & all the televangelist con men fell right in behind, leading the flock to the promised land.

 

[desura]

Romney is a Mormon. Beyond that, Evangelicals are single issue voters- abortion. Donald said he'd seen the light & was on their side. Falwell, Pence & all the televangelist con men fell right in behind, leading the flock to the promised land.

Not that simple. It is also about how the Democrats didn't appeal to evangelicals. Hillary never even talked to Rick Warren. Obama did. That was pure arrogance.

This article puts it very succinctly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ton-he-asked-for-them/?utm_term=.844582a25405

"Though the national breakdown of the white evangelical vote and their percentage of the electorate were almost identical to 2012, there were some major differences in key battleground states. If Clinton had received Barack Obama’s 2012 percentage of the white evangelical vote in Michigan (where she is currently losing by about 12,000 votes), she would have received more than 125,000 additional votes. In Florida, she would have received about 141,000 more votes, surpassing Trump’s margin of victory in that state. Even in Ohio, if the evangelical breakdown of the vote between Clinton and Trump matched that between Obama and Romney, the margin of Trump’s victory would have closed by more than 275,000 votes—much more than half of Trump’s total margin. This story is replicated in states across the nation."

 

[Victorian Gray]

I just find it amusing that you are so certain. Evangelicals voted Trump at a higher rate than they voted for Romney. Something like 81%. Romney got in the 70's. Given Donald's behavior, he should have gotten a much lower percentage of religiously serious people, like 40%. That likely would have given Clinton the margin of victory.

That might not be all that accurate

http://www.christianpost.com/news/d...-support-than-romney-barna-poll-finds-171932/

 

[Ackmed]

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/01/02/cnn_russian_hackers_use_fallout_4_robco_terminals

Dunno what to even say about this.

 

[disappoint]

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/01/02/cnn_russian_hackers_use_fallout_4_robco_terminals

Dunno what to even say about this.

Hahahahaa that's hilarious. Journalists just grab whatever stock photo they find on stock photo websites. They just do a search for "hacking". They had no idea those pics were screencaps from a video game.

 

[werepossum]

They put up a great candidate. Highly intelligent, tons of experience, and years of public service, much of it dedicated to helping the less fortunate. We assumed that after years of intense scrutiny with no actual wrongdoing found people would accept that she wasn't actually corrupt the way the GOP and conservative media makes her out to be. That was our misstep. Underestimating how fucking stupid and gullible much of America is.

lol Thanks for inspiring proggies to remember what's really important: while blaming the Russians for your embarrassing loss, never forget to also accuse Americans of being stupid and gullible. Otherwise we can't tell that you are beating your fists AND kicking your feet.

Your "great candidate" lost to freakin' Cheeto Jesus not because people believed she is corrupt (which she is). The same people also believe the great Tangerine Messiah is corrupt (which he is.) In your assumption that you are the smartest people on the planet you were outsmarted and outmanuevered, and you STILL have no freakin' clue why you lost.

Listen carefully Trump is a terrible choice for the Presidency....
but he knew enough that the anger many ,Americans had about no bankers being prosecuted when President Obama was in office could be manipulated....
Anger over trade deals which both Hillary and President Obama could be manipulated.

Hillary was a better choice imo than Trump based on her not being insane but she couldn't campaign effectively enough (or chose not to if the story about her aides ignoring offers of help from Bernie campaigners in states like Wisconsin) against Trump to beat him in the states she needed to beat him in despite winning the overall popular vote.

I believe just about any other possible Democratic choice for president would have beaten Trump... especially Senator Warren (if she chose to run), and Senator Sanders (who shares many of the same positions as Warren).

So maybe chew on the above for a while before trying to twist my words again....

*e2a*
It's rather funny since I started posting in these forums I have been left of center sometimes far left of center *especially in that epic thousands of posts thread about the Florida shooting* and now since I'm not toeing the DNC position about Hillary all of a sudden I'm a fucking concern troll.... fvck that shit.... you can't impugn me as a conservative troll acting like a liberal unless you've lost your mind.
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I don't know who else would beat him, but the Dems literally could not have selected a worse choice. I suspect that Warren, with her populism, would have won. Bernie might have; he at least is honest. Had they understood Trump's appeal they might have won even with the Hildabeast, but alas, they remain clueless.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/01/02/cnn_russian_hackers_use_fallout_4_robco_terminals

Dunno what to even say about this.

Freakin' hilarious. The smartest people on the planet are the dumbest people on the planet.

 

[DIREWOLF75]

According to the guy who said he delivered it to Wikileaks.

Forget the fact that malware had infected the system & that the guys who maintained & tweaked it to stay ahead of countermeasures worked Moscow office hours.

Eh, do you have any idea how stupid that statement looks?
You actually believe that to be somehow damning or proof in ANY way?

 

[DIREWOLF75]

But...there's no evidence it was 'the Russians!!!!!shift1!!!'? And, er, like WikiLeaks or not, none of their leaks have proven to be non-legit? So, if the material is legit, then, why is there some massive smokescreen deal being made over who leaked it? (if it was even indeed, 'the Russians OMG!')

Because USA hates wikileaks and is doing its darned best to kill any credibility it has?

 

[dank69]

lol Thanks for inspiring proggies to remember what's really important: while blaming the Russians for your embarrassing loss, never forget to also accuse Americans of being stupid and gullible. Otherwise we can't tell that you are beating your fists AND kicking your feet.

Your "great candidate" lost to freakin' Cheeto Jesus not because people believed she is corrupt (which she is). The same people also believe the great Tangerine Messiah is corrupt (which he is.) In your assumption that you are the smartest people on the planet you were outsmarted and outmanuevered, and you STILL have no freakin' clue why you lost.


I don't know who else would beat him, but the Dems literally could not have selected a worse choice. I suspect that Warren, with her populism, would have won. Bernie might have; he at least is honest. Had they understood Trump's appeal they might have won even with the Hildabeast, but alas, they remain clueless.


Freakin' hilarious. The smartest people on the planet are the dumbest people on the planet.

Oh werepossum, you never disappoint. Always eager to post your foolishness for all to take in. You still believe Hillary is corrupt but you can't produce any conclusive evidence demonstrating that corruption. Just speculation and hearsay from anonymous sources who coincidentally only share their secrets with anti-liberal websites.

Sure the evangelicals realize he is corrupt. Well, at least they did during primary season when they were all calling for the delegates to go against the voters and nominate someone else. Once that pipe dream was gone though they rationalized why they HAD to vote for him because ... abortion. That, and Hillary is more corrupt, of course. What you refuse to acknowledge is that a huge portion of Trump voters not only don't think Trump is corrupt, but believe he is going to make America great again. He has a massive cult following, and they are all rooted in redneck culture.

Then you have all the Bernie Bros. All the newly minted "progressives" that never understood any of the issues in detail but really like the message Bernie has been selling. They hate Clinton because she is establishment and a liar and corrupt. They really liked Bernie because of his pure honesty. Strange how for some reason they suddenly don't believe Bernie when he tells them that Clinton isn't corrupt and Trump is. It's almost like they are picking and choosing which Bernie statements to accept and which ones to reject. Reminds me of another retarded group we all know and love around here. I provide mountains of ACTUAL evidence of Trump's corruption and they reject it. I provide sources so they can see how the accusations against Hillary are nothing but smoke and mirrors but they refuse to accept that they have been duped. Sound like the behavior of anyone you know buddy?

 

[dank69]

Hahahahaa that's hilarious. Journalists just grab whatever stock photo they find on stock photo websites. They just do a search for "hacking". They had no idea those pics were screencaps from a video game.

Yeah I'm not sure what point someone is trying to make by pointing it out.

 

[Jhhnn]

never forget to also accuse Americans of being stupid and gullible.

The proof of that is in the fact that Trump will be your next president.

It's not like any sort of wise choice was made.

 

[dank69]

Not that simple. It is also about how the Democrats didn't appeal to evangelicals. Hillary never even talked to Rick Warren. Obama did. That was pure arrogance.

This article puts it very succinctly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ton-he-asked-for-them/?utm_term=.844582a25405

"Though the national breakdown of the white evangelical vote and their percentage of the electorate were almost identical to 2012, there were some major differences in key battleground states. If Clinton had received Barack Obama’s 2012 percentage of the white evangelical vote in Michigan (where she is currently losing by about 12,000 votes), she would have received more than 125,000 additional votes. In Florida, she would have received about 141,000 more votes, surpassing Trump’s margin of victory in that state. Even in Ohio, if the evangelical breakdown of the vote between Clinton and Trump matched that between Obama and Romney, the margin of Trump’s victory would have closed by more than 275,000 votes—much more than half of Trump’s total margin. This story is replicated in states across the nation."

Democrats will never appeal to evangelicals because we recognize that making abortion illegal degrades the quality of society and that is all evangelicals care about. That's why Trump, arguably one of the most immoral candidates ever to run for President with a long history of documented filthy activity was able to lock up their vote by simply saying he is against abortion. Never mind that he didn't used to be against it. I'm sure he didn't change his view specifically to pander to that voting bloc.

 

[VRAMdemon]

We got to get ready, order some crow, because tomorrow or the day after, Trump will reveal his total mastery of this issue, He himself is set to crush us all with his revelations of his sooper-secret information and we will all be scurrying for cover from the light of his blinding brilliance!

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't know who else would beat him, but the Dems literally could not have selected a worse choice. I suspect that Warren, with her populism, would have won. Bernie might have; he at least is honest. Had they understood Trump's appeal they might have won even with the Hildabeast, but alas, they remain clueless.

I'm afraid they may not even understand 2016 by 2020. Do Democrats need a time of mourning?
We must rub their noses in their own ruinous result, lest they raise another old establishment candidate.
Damned fools won't even listen to their own VP Biden telling them how it is.

Was Obama in 2008 not lesson enough? Was Sander's unexpected energy not foreshadowing?
It is time for change.

Then you have all the Bernie Bros. All the newly minted "progressives" that never understood...

Bernie appealed across the spectrum to a segment you can scarcely acknowledge.
Look back to the energy behind Obama and Sanders for answers.
Republicans will fan the flames, it's time to embrace a new generation with new ideas.

 

[dank69]

I'm afraid they may not even understand 2016 by 2020. Do Democrats need a time of mourning?
We must rub their noses in their own ruinous result, lest they raise another old establishment candidate.
Damned fools won't even listen to their own VP Biden telling them how it is.

Was Obama in 2008 not lesson enough? Was Sander's unexpected energy not foreshadowing?
It is time for change.



Bernie appealed across the spectrum to a segment you can scarcely acknowledge.
Look back to the energy behind Obama and Sanders for answers.
Republicans will fan the flames, it's time to embrace a new generation with new ideas.

Yes, Bernie appealed to a large group of people that are getting so fucked by GOP policies that they can't afford to ignore politics anymore in favor of Honey Boo Boo. Unfortunately, most of them also are only to the point that they'll read headlines but never bother to take the time to actually understand the issues. Sound bytes and tweets exhaust their motivation and/or intellectual capabilities. Bernie told them what policies are fucking them but missed one critical step: teaching them that those policies are supported across the board by the GOP and opposed across the board by Democrats. He focused on the few things that some Democrats have wrong or where they roll over for the GOP instead of the large amount of policies where Democrats have it right.

 

[FIVR]

What if Bernie was the real Russian shill. The admitted socialist was the perfect concern troll for Trump, he delivered the most easily manipulated liberals right into the hands of "both sides do it" ideologists.

 

[agent00f]

Yes, Bernie appealed to a large group of people that are getting so fucked by GOP policies that they can't afford to ignore politics anymore in favor of Honey Boo Boo. Unfortunately, most of them also are only to the point that they'll read headlines but never bother to take the time to actually understand the issues. Sound bytes and tweets exhaust their motivation and/or intellectual capabilities. Bernie told them what policies are fucking them but missed one critical step: teaching them that those policies are supported across the board by the GOP and opposed across the board by Democrats. He focused on the few things that some Democrats have wrong or where they roll over for the GOP instead of the large amount of policies where Democrats have it right.

I wouldn't say it's across the board; the D party is after all pretty centrist these days. The way "both sides" works is you point to the less desirable part of centrists, which is arguably "just as bad" as actual deplorables, and numpties are none the wiser to all the other stuff.

In all fairness to Sanders, most of his people did vote for Clinton. It was just a few who stayed home or threw their vote away, and there were arguably just as many concern trolls who faked support just to split any of the D vote they can.

 

[desura]

I'm afraid they may not even understand 2016 by 2020. Do Democrats need a time of mourning?
We must rub their noses in their own ruinous result, lest they raise another old establishment candidate.
Damned fools won't even listen to their own VP Biden telling them how it is.

Was Obama in 2008 not lesson enough? Was Sander's unexpected energy not foreshadowing?
It is time for change.



Bernie appealed across the spectrum to a segment you can scarcely acknowledge.
Look back to the energy behind Obama and Sanders for answers.
Republicans will fan the flames, it's time to embrace a new generation with new ideas.

There really isn't anyone relatively young enough for 2020.

I think Democrats best bet is getting an outsider Hollywood celebrity like Tom Hanks.

 

[jihe]

Lets try it another way.
You sir, are knee deep in a messy divorce with the mrs.
You are an asshole.
Your mrs is definitely a whore.
Divorces are a messy business but you manage somehow get an agreement going - lawyers laughing all the way to the bank, papers not signed yet though.
Introduce me.
I am a creep AND I live next door to you.
I like to watch people. With a camera. I keep an archive.
That means I know for fact what you have been doing with the babysitter for at least the past six months. Dirty asshole she's only 17.
I also know for a fact that your mrs IS a whore. In fact I got her live action on camera too.
Now back to the divorce - and I really do think you are an asshole, hmmm. You know what? I am gonna stick it to you, who knows, with you out of the picture maybe I can get in on the whoring on your mrs as well.
So I leave an envelope behind the whiskers on your mrs car, 100% anonymous. - Imagine her surprise.
You know how that story ends?
She got the goldmine.
You got the shaft.
She got the goldmine.
You got the shaft.

But hey, you cant really be mad at me, can you bro? I mean, you did do the dirty, you did do the deed.
Doesnt really matter who shafted you, what matters is that at least some of the truth was exposed.
Right?
right?

Sounds good to me.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think Democrats best bet is getting an outsider Hollywood celebrity like Tom Hanks.

OMG couldn't you see him giving a campaign speech wearing the SNL skit David Pumpkins suit?

 

[chucky2]

<blather snip> What you so fervently believe is tribute to that.

Well, one could also, you know, believe that e-mailing your passwords is probably not the most secure thing to do, and changing your password from something like P@ssword to Passw0rd isn't the most secure thing in the world. But hey, Russia and all... lulz....

 

[werepossum]

I'm afraid they may not even understand 2016 by 2020. Do Democrats need a time of mourning?
We must rub their noses in their own ruinous result, lest they raise another old establishment candidate.
Damned fools won't even listen to their own VP Biden telling them how it is.

Was Obama in 2008 not lesson enough? Was Sander's unexpected energy not foreshadowing?
It is time for change.

Bernie appealed across the spectrum to a segment you can scarcely acknowledge.
Look back to the energy behind Obama and Sanders for answers.
Republicans will fan the flames, it's time to embrace a new generation with new ideas.

A time of mourning with grief counselors, comfort animals, and adult coloring books. They have become so used to owning these constituencies that they really cannot understand what they want and need and are reduced to promising them more of the same. And when people do rise up with at least some understanding, the establishment simply conspires to crush them. Didn't work with Obama, but it worked just fine with Bernie.

 

[interchange]

Once upon a time there was a point to this thread. How dad it is that we choose to fight each other even when someone else started it.

 

[Svnla]

No smoking gun - http://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/

Wrong bear - https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-02/u-s-intelligence-got-the-wrong-cyber-bear

 

[werepossum]

Once upon a time there was a point to this thread. How dad it is that we choose to fight each other even when someone else started it.

Don't be sad, dude. You can try again with how the Russians' hacks prevented us from getting that two hundred million from that Nigerian bureaucracy. Or how they tricked us into believing that we had won the "international lottery" where they randomly pick someone's email address and award them four million dollars. Or how their sophisticated, Spandex-clad superhackers somehow hacked into our banking system and stole our password, even though we had cleverly used '0' instead of 'o' in 'Password'. Or how they used their stealth mini-drones to hack our phone and sent our nude photos to the boss instead of our mistress. Or how they treacherously stole our new car by standing outside that club that didn't have valet parking after all. Point is, since there is obviously no way to stop these villainous superhuman masterminds, you'll have plenty of opportunity to rally Americans against their dastardly Russian brilliance.

tl/dn: If you want to bring together all Americans, maybe not start with "the Democrats was robbed, now what are we gonna do about it?"