Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

[fskimospy]

Don't be sad, dude. You can try again with how the Russians' hacks prevented us from getting that two hundred million from that Nigerian bureaucracy. Or how they tricked us into believing that we had won the "international lottery" where they randomly pick someone's email address and award them four million dollars. Or how their sophisticated, Spandex-clad superhackers somehow hacked into our banking system and stole our password, even though we had cleverly used '0' instead of 'o' in 'Password'. Or how they used their stealth mini-drones to hack our phone and sent our nude photos to the boss instead of our mistress. Or how they treacherously stole our new car by standing outside that club that didn't have valet parking after all. Point is, since there is obviously no way to stop these villainous superhuman masterminds, you'll have plenty of opportunity to rally Americans against their dastardly Russian brilliance.

tl/dn: If you want to bring together all Americans, maybe not start with "the Democrats was robbed, now what are we gonna do about it?"

You would think 'a foreign power is trying to influence our elections' would be enough to bring together all Americans but apparently not, haha.

 

[qliveur]

No smoking gun - http://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/

Wrong bear - https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-02/u-s-intelligence-got-the-wrong-cyber-bear

No evidence?

I'm. shocked.

You would think 'a foreign power is trying to influence our elections' would be enough to bring together all Americans but apparently not, haha.

You would think that the lack of evidence would make all Americans skeptical, but apparently not, haha.

 

[fskimospy]

You would think that the lack of evidence would make all Americans skeptical, but apparently not, haha.

You would think that the unanimous conclusions of the US intelligence community along with that of private cybersecurity experts would be sufficient in the absence of any contrary information. Unfortunately partisanship in the US has become so toxic that people allow it to color everything they think and do. It's sad.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It just excuses why the annointed one failed to get elected. No way it could be the annointed one's fault, it had to be something

 

[Jhhnn]

You would think that the unanimous conclusions of the US intelligence community along with that of private cybersecurity experts would be sufficient in the absence of any contrary information. Unfortunately partisanship in the US has become so toxic that people allow it to color everything they think and do. It's sad.

Well, yeh, but Assange said otherwise so they'll just go with that for convenience.

 

[qliveur]

You would think that the unanimous conclusions of the US intelligence community along with that of private cybersecurity experts would be sufficient in the absence of any contrary information.

I've said it it before: I don't trust any of those bureaucratic clowns. Without evidence, they're just pissing into the wind.

Unfortunately partisanship in the US has become so toxic that people allow it to color everything they think and do. It's sad.

Irony.

Well, yeh, but Assange said otherwise so they'll just go with that for convenience.

He has a far better track record credibility-wise than the establishment hacks in Washington at this point.

 

[fskimospy]

I've said it it before: I don't trust any of those bureaucratic clowns. Without evidence, they're just pissing into the wind.

Irony.

It really is ironic when you have decided that the entirety of the US intelligence community is conspiring to lie to you about the source of a hack instead of accepting their conclusions, buttressed by private security people and then don't realize that your decision is being driven by partisanship.

 

[Jhhnn]

It just excuses why the annointed one failed to get elected. No way it could be the annointed one's fault, it had to be something

Trump ran a stunningly brilliant campaign of lies, distortion, innuendo & half truths mixed with fear, loathing & pure tribalism. The email hacks were just more ammunition.

Had he & his team never mentioned the information you'd have a point but that's not what happened.

 

[Jhhnn]

He has a far better track record credibility-wise than the establishment hacks in Washington at this point.

Assange can't admit being a Russian stooge. Everybody knows this.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Trump ran a stunningly brilliant campaign of lies, distortion, innuendo & half truths mixed with fear, loathing & pure tribalism. The email hacks were just more ammunition.

Had he & his team never mentioned the information you'd have a point but that's not what happened.

Just more excuses why the annointed one lost. Too bad she ignored states because they were supposed to be in the bag and wound up losing them.

 

[qliveur]

It really is ironic when you have decided that the entirety of the US intelligence community is conspiring to lie to you about the source of a hack instead of accepting their conclusions, buttressed by private security people and then don't realize that your decision is being driven by partisanship.

I will accept their conclusions if and when they produce credible evidence to support them; you'll have to forgive me if I don't just take their word for it.

And your comments regarding partisanship continue to be hilarious.

Assange can't admit being a Russian stooge. Everybody knows this.

I sure as hell don't, and neither do you.

 

[interchange]

tl/dn: If you want to bring together all Americans, maybe not start with "the Democrats was robbed, now what are we gonna do about it?"

Read my posts on this thread. I'm not a Democrat and don't seek to change the election results.

And my assertion is that Russian intent was not to elect Trump but rather to promote further partisanism and infighting among Americans.

This is a Russian attack, one beyond prior precedent, and we as a nation have bungled our response to it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just more excuses why the annointed one lost. Too bad she ignored states because they were supposed to be in the bag and wound up losing them.

Why can't you just admit that Trump is the world's greatest charlatan? That decades of relentless right wing mindfuck has pre-softened the brains of too many Americans?

There's plenty of evidence to support that.

 

[Jhhnn]

I sure as hell don't, and neither do you.

Only because you refuse to think it through.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why can't you just admit that Trump is the world's greatest charlatan? That decades of relentless right wing mindfuck has pre-softened the brains of too many Americans?

There's plenty of evidence to support that.

I could care less about Trump and did not vote for him nor could I bring myself to vote for the all so perfect annointed one. You guys have come up with all kinds of excuses why the annointed one lost.

Very soon Trump will be YOUR President whether you like it or not.

 

[qliveur]

Only because you refuse to think it through.

Evidence of Assange being a Russian stooge?

 

[Jhhnn]

I could care less about Trump and did not vote for him nor could I bring myself to vote for the all so perfect annointed one. You guys have come up with all kinds of excuses why the annointed one lost.

Very soon Trump will be YOUR President whether you like it or not.

Why can't you just give Trump his due? He ran a brilliant & utterly unprincipled campaign, captured the imaginations of the gullible & the disgruntled, beat down all his Republican adversaries & went on to do the same to Hillary using every means at his disposal including a little help from the Russians. It was a political & psychological tour de force where he turned 60M Americans into drooling idiots, at least long enough for them to vote for him.

There's talent beyond reason in that, a gift from the Devil himself.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why can't you just give Trump his due? He ran a brilliant & utterly unprincipled campaign, captured the imaginations of the gullible & the disgruntled, beat down all his Republican adversaries & went on to do the same to Hillary using every means at his disposal including a little help from the Russians. It was a political & psychological tour de force where he turned 60M Americans into drooling idiots, at least long enough for them to vote for him.

There's talent beyond reason in that, a gift from the Devil himself.

He ran a campaign that was bazaar and massively embarassed the left. Which shows what a poor choice the left made with the annointed one.

 

[disappoint]

tl/dn: If you want to bring together all Americans, maybe not start with "the Democrats was robbed, now what are we gonna do about it?"

Certainly not. That's divisive.

Try something more along the lines of "The nation spoke and under the rules we all agreed to DJT won the election. The results of which were not tampered with. Think about how you can improve your own life and serve the country you care so much about that it causes you to become so involved in political discussions this often. Also if the candidate you chose did not win how can you contribute to your party or future candidate to do your part to achieve your goals?"

Does that sound better?

 

[Ackmed]

I will accept their conclusions if and when they produce credible evidence to support them; you'll have to forgive me if I don't just take their word for it.

This is how I feel. Its not that I don't think Russia couldnt or wouldn't do this, that I think they are our friend or that they wouldn't hurt us if possible. Its that up to now there is zero proof. What there is, is guesswork, at least what we have been told. Trusting even our own government blindly isn't for me anymore. I don't think asking for proof is unreasonable.

"I think the Russians were in there, but it doesn't mean other people weren't, too," he said. "It's often not foolproof to say who it is because it is possible and sometimes easy to hide your tracks. There's lots of tricks."

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One official told CNN the administration has traced the hack to the specific keyboards -- which featured Cyrillic characters -- that were used to construct the malware code, adding that the equipment leaves "digital fingerprints" and, in the case of the recent hacks, those prints point to the Russian government.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/02/politics/digital-fingerprints-russia-hacking/index.html

So what they have it a program created with Cyrillic characters on the keyboard? This is the "Russian fingerprints"? As if you cant download these from the internet with very little problem. They have been very careful is what they've said, that evidence points them to believing the Russians did it. Not that they have proof. Say that they did have proof, they waited this long to "punish" Russia? And then this lightly? If Russia really did do this they should have hit them hard, not slap their wrist. Even less proof that the RNC was hacked, yet people on here and MSM have claimed it to be true. Zero proof of that too. Never mind the fact that you can download a simple "hacking" program like this from thousands of places on the internet. Phishing is very common, we've all been subject to the attempt of them.

The emails came out because Podesta replied to a phishing email, and disclosed that his password was, password. This guy is this high up in the DNC, seriously? Assange has denied that Russia was involved at all in getting them the emails. So has Russia itself. If the US could proof otherwise, they should. Prove that they are both liars and damage their creditability. I would say that Wiki's core strength is that they have yet to be proven wrong. They could destroy Wiki forever proving them to be liars. Yet, crickets.

I don't have a problem with our own intelligence agencies believing one way or another. There can be clues without confirmed facts. Media types have run with it, even making shit up. Us taking actions without proof, and placing blame due to a code written on a keyboard typically used in Russia is just silly though. Again, asking for proof is fine. Posters here suggesting that someone doing so is a traitor is just dumb. If Russia did do it, even if it is just an civilian gmail address, they should be hit much harder.

 

[jihe]

You would think 'a foreign power is trying to influence our elections' would be enough to bring together all Americans but apparently not, haha.

Well it's what foreign powers would do if they are any good. I mean how many foreign states have the US pushed for a 'regime change' anyway?

 

[trenchfoot]

This shtick of defending Trump via sowing the seeds of doubt in a garden bed full of nutritious bullshit is getting old already and so is the rather comical song and dance of denial and deflection that sprouts out of it. But hey, the entertainment value is priceless, so who am I to complain.

I can see that defending Trump and the consequences surrounding his path to victory is becoming a true form of art that I am actually quite impressed with. Aw heck, even Perry Mason would be proud.

I'm waiting for the moment when the excuses for Trump's despicable behavior and mind numbing tweets will finally run its course and the stark reality of his being a neophyte poser of a politician who is representing his own selfish interests way before the concerns of those who elected him will finally set in.

I hope this happens before Trump's egotistical mouth gets too far ahead of his "in the moment" short-sighted shrunken brain that's bouncing around inside of that cavernous noggin of his.

Saying that he blew the hinges off of his grasp of reality is being too kind.

 

[jihe]

Why can't you just give Trump his due? He ran a brilliant & utterly unprincipled campaign, captured the imaginations of the gullible & the disgruntled, beat down all his Republican adversaries & went on to do the same to Hillary using every means at his disposal including a little help from the Russians. It was a political & psychological tour de force where he turned 60M Americans into drooling idiots, at least long enough for them to vote for him.

There's talent beyond reason in that, a gift from the Devil himself.

Well at least Trump worked hard. Where was Hillary when Trump was selling false hope to the workers in Michigan? All she had to do was throw them a bone and give them something to vote for, but no, I guess the Russians must've sabotaged Hillary's jet to the rust belt?

 

[werepossum]

Certainly not. That's divisive.

Try something more along the lines of "The nation spoke and under the rules we all agreed to DJT won the election. The results of which were not tampered with. Think about how you can improve your own life and serve the country you care so much about that it causes you to become so involved in political discussions this often. Also if the candidate you chose did not win how can you contribute to your party or future candidate to do your part to achieve your goals?"

Does that sound better?

Much. Although unless one has a devastating mental or physical handicap, I suggest that as a means of improving one's life, electing a particular person President is in the range of playing the lottery or consulting Sister Psychic.

Well at least Trump worked hard. Where was Hillary when Trump was selling false hope to the workers in Michigan? All she had to do was throw them a bone and give them something to vote for, but no, I guess the Russians must've sabotaged Hillary's jet to the rust belt?

Hey, we've seen her loaded like luggage into a van. How much harder could she have worked?

 

[Jhhnn]

Well at least Trump worked hard. Where was Hillary when Trump was selling false hope to the workers in Michigan? All she had to do was throw them a bone and give them something to vote for, but no, I guess the Russians must've sabotaged Hillary's jet to the rust belt?

What part of "Trump ran a brilliant campaign" do you fail to understand? He disconnected voters from reality. That's no more evident than in Michigan. This chart tells the story-

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MINA

Behold the glory of jerb creatin' Republicans, huh? I mean, it's obviously Obama's fault, & Hillary's, too. Trump is here to save 'em, though, cuz he tells it like it is.