Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots)

[disappoint]

Much. Although unless one has a devastating mental or physical handicap, I suggest that as a means of improving one's life, electing a particular person President is in the range of playing the lottery or consulting Sister Psychic.

I agree the president doesn't have as much influence over people's lives as some may think. Other decisions people make are far more important.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree the president doesn't have as much influence over people's lives as some may think. Other decisions people make are far more important.

While I agree that state and local governments have far, far more influence over your life than federal officials you might be in for a nasty surprise if you own a home. Republicans in Congress and Trump both support doubling the standard deduction which will eliminate the mortgage interest deduction for most homeowners who aren't super rich and that's going to create strong downward pressure on the value of your home unless your mortgage is quite large.

 

[Jhhnn]

I agree the president doesn't have as much influence over people's lives as some may think. Other decisions people make are far more important.

Preaching the flimflam of the Ownership Society from the Bully Pulpit had a huge effect on people's lives, as did instructing federal regulators to sit on their hands as in unfolded. The Bush Admin went so far as to stymie State regulators by invoking a forgotten Civil War era statute, as well.

 

[Ackmed]

So that FBI requested the DNC servers after the alleged hacking to investigate, the DNC said nah. Then the DNC said that FBI didn't request them, basically calling them liars. So the FBI had to rely on third party information in their investigation. Little odd they would say no, wonder if they didn't want them to see something? Were embarrassed? Didn't want help? Who is really lying? Interesting. But now the DNC wants to use the FBI's analysis that Russia did it. I find that a little funny.

"This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstrike/index.html

 

[agent00f]

So that FBI requested the DNC servers after the alleged hacking to investigate, the DNC said nah. Then the DNC said that FBI didn't request them, basically calling them liars. So the FBI had to rely on third party information in their investigation. Little odd they would say no, wonder if they didn't want them to see something? Were embarrassed? Didn't want help? Who is really lying? Interesting. But now the DNC wants to use the FBI's analysis that Russia did it. I find that a little funny.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstrike/index.html

There's a dilemma I've been looking to settle, and you're just the guy to help. Were the email contents the most devastating reveal of all time, or not really all that once it appears putin was just using them to sway the election?

Not hard to see why the DNC were reluctant to feed that lot.

 

[Jhhnn]

So that FBI requested the DNC servers after the alleged hacking to investigate, the DNC said nah. Then the DNC said that FBI didn't request them, basically calling them liars. So the FBI had to rely on third party information in their investigation. Little odd they would say no, wonder if they didn't want them to see something? Were embarrassed? Didn't want help? Who is really lying? Interesting. But now the DNC wants to use the FBI's analysis that Russia did it. I find that a little funny.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstrike/index.html

"Senior law enforcement official"... I remember the same sort of attributions about Hillary being indicted from a year ago...

There are more than a few people out there who want to discredit the idea that the Russians hacked & released the emails for the purposes of twiddling the minds of the American electorate.

Beyond that, Crowdstrike analyzed & removed the hacking tools, kept copies & records, I'm sure, so there's no point in examining the servers themselves.

Oh, and don't be a sucker for conspiracy theory, OK? You're smarter than that.

 

[Jhhnn]

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[Jhhnn]

There's a dilemma I've been looking to settle, and you're just the guy to help. Were the email contents the most devastating reveal of all time, or not really all that once it appears putin was just using them to sway the election?

Not hard to see why the DNC were reluctant to feed that lot.

Repub propagandists merely exploited a principle that Cardinal Richilieu put out long ago-

If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.

20,000 emails was obviously enough.

They're also masters of the bullshit asymmetry principle as applied to social media- Brandolini's law-

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

Just shovel it out there faster than anybody can clear it away.

 

[werepossum]

"Senior law enforcement official"... I remember the same sort of attributions about Hillary being indicted from a year ago...

There are more than a few people out there who want to discredit the idea that the Russians hacked & released the emails for the purposes of twiddling the minds of the American electorate.

Beyond that, Crowdstrike analyzed & removed the hacking tools, kept copies & records, I'm sure, so there's no point in examining the servers themselves.

Oh, and don't be a sucker for conspiracy theory, OK? You're smarter than that.

Besides, we all know that the Russians are the only ones actually using Fallout terminals for hacking.

 

[Jhhnn]

Great article on the subject of Russian propaganda campaigns-

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0

 

[brycejones]

Great article on the subject of Russian propaganda campaigns-

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0

Dude the NY Times is an alt-left racist fake news rag. You need to go to infowars, daily caller, or newsmax to get the real scoop.

 

[Jhhnn]

Besides, we all know that the Russians are the only ones actually using Fallout terminals for hacking.

Besides, we all know that really matters, at least when you're desperate to create distraction.

 

[agent00f]

Apparently us intel has found the link between russia & wikileaks:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14P04P

As if it wasn't fucking obvious enough what was going on there.

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently us intel has found the link between russia & wikileaks:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14P04P

As if it wasn't fucking obvious enough what was going on there.

Meh. That has the same credibility as any story based on anonymous sources, which is to say not a helluva lot.

I seriously doubt that our intelligence guys will do anything but confirm Crowdstrike's conclusion from June-

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

They may well have ways of filling in the blanks but it seems obvious that such won't be revealed in any technical sort of way.

 

[werepossum]

Apparently us intel has found the link between russia & wikileaks:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14P04P

As if it wasn't fucking obvious enough what was going on there.

lol Sure they have.

The officials declined to describe the intelligence obtained about the involvement of a third-party in passing on leaked material to WikiLeaks, saying they did not want to reveal how the U.S. government had obtained the information.

We can't show you the evidence. We can't even describe it. But trust us, the evidence is there and it's yuuge. It's the greatest evidence ever. This evidence is going to make the CIA great again.

But, um, don't use our names, 'kay?

 

[agent00f]

Meh. That has the same credibility as any story based on anonymous sources, which is to say not a helluva lot.

I seriously doubt that our intelligence guys will do anything but confirm Crowdstrike's conclusion from June-

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

They may well have ways of filling in the blanks but it seems obvious that such won't be revealed in any technical sort of way.

That's why professional journalists use multiple sources to confirm reports of this brief as mentioned within.

lol Sure they have.

We can't show you the evidence. We can't even describe it. But trust us, the evidence is there and it's yuuge. It's the greatest evidence ever. This evidence is going to make the CIA great again.

But, um, don't use our names, 'kay?

Let's not pretend any facts will change your conviction mother russia had nothing to do with this. Situation is about as obvious as who was feeding wikileaks.

 

[werepossum]

That's why professional journalists use multiple sources to confirm reports of this brief as mentioned within.

Let's not pretend any facts will change your conviction mother russia had nothing to do with this. Situation is about as obvious as who was feeding wikileaks.

But my conviction is NOT that "mother russia had nothing to do with this". My conviction is that D.C. is full of ass hats and clowns who couldn't successfully navigate a game of Clue, let alone track a sanctioned state hacker, and that largely includes senior management in our "intelligence" agencies. And my conviction is also that it doesn't take a sanctioned state hacker to send a phishing email to a self-important idiot or use The Onion Router with outdated, freely available hacking tools to discover that someone's password is "password".

 

[agent00f]

But my conviction is NOT that "mother russia had nothing to do with this". My conviction is that D.C. is full of ass hats and clowns who couldn't successfully navigate a game of Clue, let alone track a sanctioned state hacker, and that largely includes senior management in our "intelligence" agencies. And my conviction is also that it doesn't take a sanctioned state hacker to send a phishing email to a self-important idiot or use The Onion Router with outdated, freely available hacking tools to discover that someone's password is "password".

Russian fingerprints over the hacks, antagonism with clinton and reason to believe bff trump will play ball, same for wikileaks; real tough to put the pieces together. I'm sure even you've figured this one out even if can't quite admit it.

If you're looking for facts, that well publicize phishing email is trivially confirmed to be from Fancy Bear if you know much about computers.

 

[Jhhnn]

But my conviction is NOT that "mother russia had nothing to do with this". My conviction is that D.C. is full of ass hats and clowns who couldn't successfully navigate a game of Clue, let alone track a sanctioned state hacker, and that largely includes senior management in our "intelligence" agencies. And my conviction is also that it doesn't take a sanctioned state hacker to send a phishing email to a self-important idiot or use The Onion Router with outdated, freely available hacking tools to discover that someone's password is "password".

So what? That's mere distraction.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Clapper added that Russian hackers did not change any vote tallies and that the U.S. intelligence community has no way of determining the impact on the choices voters made.

 

[Jhhnn]

Clapper added that Russian hackers did not change any vote tallies and that the U.S. intelligence community has no way of determining the impact on the choices voters made.

In that, he acknowledged that there obviously was some impact. Let's face it- Comey had no sooner put the SoS email bullshit to rest than Boom! DNC email bullshit emanates from the usual rightwing sources. When that starts to fade, Boom! the Podesta email bullshit is revealed. When that starts to fade, Boom! Comey adds more email bullshit 10 days before the election in a letter to Congress.

The notion that there was no effect is completely empty headed. Hell, all that is scrambled together in most people's heads.

 

[OrByte]

But my conviction is NOT that "mother russia had nothing to do with this". My conviction is that D.C. is full of ass hats and clowns who couldn't successfully navigate a game of Clue, let alone track a sanctioned state hacker, and that largely includes senior management in our "intelligence" agencies. And my conviction is also that it doesn't take a sanctioned state hacker to send a phishing email to a self-important idiot or use The Onion Router with outdated, freely available hacking tools to discover that someone's password is "password".

knowing people in this Washington community that you are calling "ass hats and clowns" you couldn't be more wrong.

People that work in US intelligence agencies are literally some of the smartest on the planet when it comes to this field of work.

 

[interchange]

If someone takes a shot at me with a pistol from 30 feet away and misses, it's not the same as if they had camped from atop a tall building with a sniper rifle and nailed me through the heart.

Efficacy aside though, it's a pretty serious line to cross without appropriate consequence.

 

[agent00f]

Clapper added that Russian hackers did not change any vote tallies and that the U.S. intelligence community has no way of determining the impact on the choices voters made.

Funny given how adamant you were that the emails should have an impact, and you're hardly the most enthusiastic devotee.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Funny given how adamant you were that the emails should have an impact, and you're hardly the most enthusiastic devotee.

I never made no such claim, in fact I clearly stated that most voters didn't pay atention to the emails and it made no difference in their vote.