Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

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Bravo!

That's probably the 4th or 5th effective anti-mine solution I've seen the Ukrainians come up with too. Didn't some teenager there develop a way to detect them with drones? I think he tweaked an IR camera enough to detect heat differences between the mine and surrounding dirt, though it might only be viable in the mornings before things heat up again. I know the Dutch sent them some really cool cutting edge anti mine drones. Think those ones use a ground penetrating radar to detect and map them, I could be wrong though.

EOD teams have always been heroes in my book. Absolute badasses. They do their jobs knowing full well every five thousand or so disarms statistically means 2 people getting wounded and one getting killed.

May they have every tool they could possibly want.
 
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The closest thing I got to EOD training was knowing which handles and levers to avoid, pin and flags or not and what to do if a handle or lever did NOT have a pin or flag.
 

kage69

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Found the article I read about the kid I mentioned. His name is Igor Klymenko

Won himself the 2022 Global Student Prize, which comes with a $100,000 award. Looks like his intellect is being put to good use.

"The device uses an F5 PRO quadcopter with a metal detector Klymenko designed suspended underneath it as it flies. A built-in gyroscope detects the effect of wind on the drone. The mine detector can fly for a duration of 20 to 30 minutes and a distance of up to five miles, though these parameters could change with more expensive equipment.

Before the drone begins its flight path, it records GPS coordinates in a static location. The user then sets the length and width of the area the drone will scan. After takeoff, as soon as the metal detector encounters a mine, it sends an infrared signal to a phototransistor on an Arduino board—a type of programmable circuit board—held by the user. The board executes a code that Klymenko wrote in the programming language C++, which records how much time had passed since the beginning of the scan to when the signal was received. Using the speed of the drone, the time it launched and the time the metal detector located a mine, the code calculates the coordinates of the mine relative to the start of the run; this calculation is then translated into GPS coordinates within two centimeters of accuracy.

In the future, Klymenko hopes to add a ground-penetrating radar to improve the Quadcopter Mines Detector’s accuracy, a spray paint system to allow it to physically mark a land mine’s location and artificial intelligence to provide exact coordinates and the type of land mine. Eventually, he also wants to incorporate a detonation function."

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Seems the Ukrainians are feeling bullish on a few fronts...

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A couple of more area's liberated from the left bank of Dnipro.

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General Makarevich got removed apparently because his reports didn't match the situation on the ground.

Sounds like the home movies didn't work, go figure.

Kinda like sending hastily built shitty tanks with standard gun sights up against Western tanks, who will engage from 4km away and don't miss. Or massed infantry charges, when the defenders have air burst munitions and plenty of machine guns. They'll put a new idiot in and that shit will continue.

It's a pity Ukraine has to wait until winter to get some M39A1 Block IA love.
 
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Found the article I read about the kid I mentioned. His name is Igor Klymenko

Won himself the 2022 Global Student Prize, which comes with a $100,000 award. Looks like his intellect is being put to good use.

"The device uses an F5 PRO quadcopter with a metal detector Klymenko designed suspended underneath it as it flies. A built-in gyroscope detects the effect of wind on the drone. The mine detector can fly for a duration of 20 to 30 minutes and a distance of up to five miles, though these parameters could change with more expensive equipment.

Before the drone begins its flight path, it records GPS coordinates in a static location. The user then sets the length and width of the area the drone will scan. After takeoff, as soon as the metal detector encounters a mine, it sends an infrared signal to a phototransistor on an Arduino board—a type of programmable circuit board—held by the user. The board executes a code that Klymenko wrote in the programming language C++, which records how much time had passed since the beginning of the scan to when the signal was received. Using the speed of the drone, the time it launched and the time the metal detector located a mine, the code calculates the coordinates of the mine relative to the start of the run; this calculation is then translated into GPS coordinates within two centimeters of accuracy.

In the future, Klymenko hopes to add a ground-penetrating radar to improve the Quadcopter Mines Detector’s accuracy, a spray paint system to allow it to physically mark a land mine’s location and artificial intelligence to provide exact coordinates and the type of land mine. Eventually, he also wants to incorporate a detonation function."

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all potential kids/any brains, really like this, fled Russia more than a year ago. That place is so fucked.
 

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Through-out this war the Ukrainian have demonstrated that brain power is very important and Putin's policies have caused massive brain drain over the years. The republicans and their woke crusade should take a lesson from this on their policies that are causing brain drain; just look at what is happening in florida schools.
 
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all potential kids/any brains, really like this, fled Russia more than a year ago. That place is so fucked.


Comes to mind the difference between how dictatorships treat their intellectuals and how democracies treat them. Authoritarians see intellectuals as a threat and treat them accordingly while democracies treat them as celebrities and reward them for their contributions.
 

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I think the world has to be impress with Zelenskyy leadership; while there might be stuff behind the scene that is disheartening and hopefully the ukraine elite will not reject him when this is over - he has done an amazing job not only in uniting Ukraine but in gathering world support. We compare this to Afghanistan president Ghani who fled in face of the taliban. But it is more than that you look at Zelenskyy background and how he has put forth real value towards ukrainian human life vs Ghani who only valued the american equipment humans used (which was a key component to the military collapse mentioned when servicemen who had fled were interviewed). I feel like Zelenskyy was put up as a puppet by the elite (wealthy) who turned into a master when he had to.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Found the article I read about the kid I mentioned. His name is Igor Klymenko

Won himself the 2022 Global Student Prize, which comes with a $100,000 award. Looks like his intellect is being put to good use.

"The device uses an F5 PRO quadcopter with a metal detector Klymenko designed suspended underneath it as it flies. A built-in gyroscope detects the effect of wind on the drone. The mine detector can fly for a duration of 20 to 30 minutes and a distance of up to five miles, though these parameters could change with more expensive equipment.

Before the drone begins its flight path, it records GPS coordinates in a static location. The user then sets the length and width of the area the drone will scan. After takeoff, as soon as the metal detector encounters a mine, it sends an infrared signal to a phototransistor on an Arduino board—a type of programmable circuit board—held by the user. The board executes a code that Klymenko wrote in the programming language C++, which records how much time had passed since the beginning of the scan to when the signal was received. Using the speed of the drone, the time it launched and the time the metal detector located a mine, the code calculates the coordinates of the mine relative to the start of the run; this calculation is then translated into GPS coordinates within two centimeters of accuracy.

In the future, Klymenko hopes to add a ground-penetrating radar to improve the Quadcopter Mines Detector’s accuracy, a spray paint system to allow it to physically mark a land mine’s location and artificial intelligence to provide exact coordinates and the type of land mine. Eventually, he also wants to incorporate a detonation function."

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Imagine this with a ground-facing tungsten rod cannon. Locate mine, fire straight down, back to base to recharge and reload. Deploy thousands.
 

Zorba

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Through-out this war the Ukrainian have demonstrated that brain power is very important and Putin's policies have caused massive brain drain over the years. The republicans and their woke crusade should take a lesson from this on their policies that are causing brain drain; just look at what is happening in florida schools.
I think brain drain is a function, not a bug. If you run out the smart people you have less people to question your authority.
 
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I think brain drain is a function, not a bug. If you run out the smart people you have less people to question your authority.
Of course removing people who think reduces those who question your authority but it also removes a lot of 'good' qualities require to keep the state strong and we've seen this massive decay in Russia as well as the impact of massive corruption. Basically Russia elite has rotted the state from inside out and now we are seeing that play out with the Ukrainian war. On paper Russia should have won in less than a week instead they continue to suffer massive human and equipment losses battle after battle to the extent unseen even in major wars like ww2. The only real question i have is will enough news from the war-front make it home to cause a rebellion inside of Russia. I mean compare Russia losses in 2 years to America losses in Vietnam for 7 years - 27,047 soldiers or an average of ~4000 a year.

On paper the Ukraine had no army per sey and yet they appear to be better trained and vastly more responsive to the inept Russian war machine. I.e, the Ukrainian soldiers are demonstrating great adaptability both at the infantry and command level - it isn't perfect and it is a pity so many Ukrainian are dying so i guess all said and done it is little consolation but from a war analysis Russia is showing it self to be a 3rd rate country with 0 values or morality.
 

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I think brain drain is a function, not a bug. If you run out the smart people you have less people to question your authority.

There are plenty of examples of this. The one that stands out to me is the Iranian Revolution. They purged the shit out of intellectuals, highly competent military leadership (many of whom were trained in the U.S. and/or Europe), and successful business owners. The Iranians who fled to the U.S. during that time are largely high achievers who have succeeded wonderfully in the U.S. and their children and grandchildren are too.

You can observe this brain drain in any kind of abusively authoritarian organization. Look at our own police. They fought all the way to the Supreme Court to ensure that they didn't have to hire people who were "too smart".
 
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Of course removing people who think reduces those who question your authority but it also removes a lot of 'good' qualities require to keep the state strong and we've seen this massive decay in Russia as well as the impact of massive corruption. Basically Russia elite has rotted the state from inside out and now we are seeing that play out with the Ukrainian war. On paper Russia should have won in less than a week instead they continue to suffer massive human and equipment losses battle after battle to the extent unseen even in major wars like ww2. The only real question i have is will enough news from the war-front make it home to cause a rebellion inside of Russia. I mean compare Russia losses in 2 years to America losses in Vietnam for 7 years - 27,047 soldiers or an average of ~4000 a year.

On paper the Ukraine had no army per sey and yet they appear to be better trained and vastly more responsive to the inept Russian war machine. I.e, the Ukrainian soldiers are demonstrating great adaptability both at the infantry and command level - it isn't perfect and it is a pity so many Ukrainian are dying so i guess all said and done it is little consolation but from a war analysis Russia is showing it self to be a 3rd rate country with 0 values or morality.
Of course brain drain is bad, but authoritarians care about their hold on power today, than the benefits to their country in the future.
 

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But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”


Thats what winning looks like.

I told you guys when this conflict broke out Ukraine would lose, but yet you all want to continue throwing more Ukrainians who want nothing to do with this war into suicide raids.

Quite tragic. This could all be over with a peace agreement. The Russians have said several times they are open to talks. Instead, Zelensky wants to continue kidnapping people off the street to fight his wars.

Who cares are long as it’s not his children right?
 

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Thats what winning looks like.

I told you guys when this conflict broke out Ukraine would lose, but yet you all want to continue throwing more Ukrainians who want nothing to do with this war into suicide raids.

Quite tragic. This could all be over with a peace agreement. The Russians have said several times they are open to talks. Instead, Zelensky wants to continue kidnapping people off the street to fight his wars.

Who cares are long as it’s not his children right?
This could all be over if Russia stopped illegally invading their neighbor. It’s very simple. We support Ukraine fighting as long as it wants to. This is also very simple. Think how many Russians would still be alive today if they had just stayed in their own country.

And when this whole thing started everyone thought Ukraine would lose, and in short order. Instead we got to witness the whole scale gutting of the Russian Army, something I know you are happy to see as well, being a lover of peace and all.
 

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Thats what winning looks like.

I told you guys when this conflict broke out Ukraine would lose, but yet you all want to continue throwing more Ukrainians who want nothing to do with this war into suicide raids.

Quite tragic. This could all be over with a peace agreement. The Russians have said several times they are open to talks. Instead, Zelensky wants to continue kidnapping people off the street to fight his wars.

Who cares are long as it’s not his children right?

Eventually there will be a peace agreement. The kind of agreement the French (and the US) made in Vietnam or the Soviets in Afghanistan. The kind where they leave. I'm sure you, along with all lovers of peace, anxiously await that day.

I'm sure you agree invaders should not be rewarded with stolen land. That would hardly dissuade them from doing it again.
 

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Thats what winning looks like.

I told you guys when this conflict broke out Ukraine would lose, but yet you all want to continue throwing more Ukrainians who want nothing to do with this war into suicide raids.

Quite tragic. This could all be over with a peace agreement. The Russians have said several times they are open to talks. Instead, Zelensky wants to continue kidnapping people off the street to fight his wars.

Who cares are long as it’s not his children right?
Your deep and tender concern is duly noted.
 

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This could all be over with a peace agreement. The Russians have said several times they are open to talks. Instead, Zelensky wants to continue kidnapping people off the street to fight his wars.

General idiocy of this post aside the long term problem for Russia here is that Putin has broken every agreement ever made with respect to Ukrainian security. There are nearly no promises he can make that can truly conclude the war that Ukraine will believe. If Putin wants to end the war he's going to have to agree to NATO protection for Ukraine otherwise all that's going to happen is it will grind on in a lower gear for years and the consequences will increasingly come home (assassination and sabotage campaigns).