Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

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fskimospy said:
Also, fun question for @Young Grasshopper - Russia has CSTO, which is their equivalent of NATO.

Why do you think Russia’s neighbors don’t want to join that instead, assuming Russia is such a great country to be friends with?
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Bump, because I too would like to know YG's cosmic take on why an abandoned Armenia is now asking the US for help.
 
zinfamous

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RnR_au said:
Some numbers about North Korean ammo shipments. Seems to be a decent chunk of arty ammo.



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Ofcause just because you have ammo, doesn't mean you have tothe means to deliver it accurately in a timely manner. The Ukrainian fire and control systems are far superior.
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how are they going to fire this ammo from barrels that they no longer have, and are the Russian glue-huffers going to keep storing them in open mud pits that are easily targeted and destroyed by Ukrainian drones supplied by Target, like all the rest of the Russian army's supply?

No one has to answer these questions, because we already know.
 
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RnR_au

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Came across this report. There is a crazy arse number associated with the cost of reconstruction in Ukraine... $750bil :oops:

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Reconstructing Ukraine: Context-tailored approaches to corruption | Global Initiative

The ongoing conflict in Ukraine has caused damage that has been estimated to be up to US$135.9 billion. However, the Ukrainian Government believes it will cost around US$750 billion for complete reconstruction. Corruption is a significant governance issue in Ukraine even after the war, hindering...
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Corruption will be a significant threat. I hope that Norway will be able to contribute to the construction effort via its sovereign oil fund. I believe it sitting at an excess of $1Trillion atm.
 
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Missed this news. Apologies if it has appeared in the thread. From a month ago;
The status of the Wagner Group remains unclear amid reported negotiations about the Wagner Group’s future cooperation with the Russian government. The Wagner Group’s main combat elements are split across several countries, including Belarus, the Central African Republic, Libya, and Mali, and there is no clear unified leader for the Wagner Group.[14] Russian President Vladimir Putin publicly embraced former Wagner Group commander and current Ministry of Defense (MoD) employee Andrey Troshev on September 29 and stated that he and Troshev discussed how Troshev would be involved in the formation of new volunteer detachments that perform combat missions primarily in Ukraine.[15] Some Wagner group elements reacted negatively to Putin’s embrace of Troshev and have now put forward an alternative leader. A prominent Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel announced on October 1 that Yevgeny Prigozhin’s 25-year-old son Pavel Prigozhin has taken over “command” of the Wagner Group, and that Pavel Prigozhin is negotiating with Rosgvardia about having the Wagner Group rejoin combat operations in Ukraine.[16] The prominent Wagner-affiliated source reported that Wagner fighters would not have to sign contracts with the Russian MoD and that the Wagner Group would retain its name, symbols, ideology, commanders, management, and existing standard operating principles.[17] A Russian insider source claimed that Pavel Prigozhin is not an independent actor and is under the influence of Wagner Security Service head Mikhail Vatanin, indicating that some Wagner personnel are interested in rallying around a Prigozhin-linked alternative to the Kremlin- and MoD-aligned Troshev, even if that alternative is not an independent entity.
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According to the Wikipedia entry for Pavel Prigozhin his father left him all his property in his will. This includes the ownership of the Wagner organisation.

The news today is that Wagner has begun recruiting again. "We are recruiting those who already have combat experience, including those who were already part of the PMC," and "so far they are not taking convicts and sick people" . Source

What could possibly go wrong...
 
RnR_au

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Yeah I think it was Kirill who said in a sermon that Russia won't stop at the Atlantic ocean.
 
Jaskalas

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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
For those who doubt Vlad may lash out .....

Putin Ally Suggests Russia Will Someday Conquer Germany​

A prominent Russian propagandist issued a warning to Germany over its support of Ukraine.
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Various Russians have consistently been saying the purpose of Russia's existent is now to ethnically cleanse former USSR and Russian Empire land. To take other people's land.
It is not a threat, but a promise of the violence to follow should Ukraine not win this fight and drive Russians out of Ukraine.
This war does not end in Ukraine unless we end Russia in Ukraine.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
^^^ Tell that to the guys above that insist Silly Putty won't strike NATO.
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Putin will never strike NATO. Ever.

There could be a situation where God Emperor Trump removes the US from NATO or renders it impotent in some way and then maybe Russia would try some shit. I could even see them trying some ‘push your buttons’ shit with deniability in some of the Baltics.

An invasion though? No, not so long as the US is around. The Russian army would be quickly destroyed and Putin would be killed or overthrown.
 
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Perknose said:
If he does either, he's cooked, and he knows it. Putin's main aim to stay in power. He'll absorb just about any humiliation to that end. He has and he will. This seems almost incomprehensible to many outside observers.

Any other leader, even most autocrats, could never have survived a bloody blunder the size of Ukraine. But Putin understands his country, his culture, better than many of the posters here who have forecast his ouster or downfall.

He's not crossing any borders with what's left of his armed forces anytime soon. As long as he remains in his position, literally nothing else matters to him.
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His life literally depends on keeping his dictatorship running. Once he leaves the bunker he built around himself it's dead man walking on borrowed time.
 
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Just endless videos of Russia attacking in the east which go about two ways:

Column of vehicles (BMPs, tanks, BTRs, etc) approach Ukrainian lines in broad daylight under observation.
One or more vehicles runs over often obvious TM mine(s).
General disarray and attempt to withdraw off route where they hit yet more TM mines.
AFU artillery comes to bear on messed up column with predictable results.
FPV drones finish off disabled vehicles.

Groups of infantry try to advance on AFU lines in broad daylight under observation.
DPICM rounds incoming doing their thing.
Russians run away from their dead and wounded.
Bomber drones finish off stragglers.

Enormously wasteful stuff for minimal or no results. The Ukrainians of course have losses but it's a massacre for the Russians.
 
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K1052 said:
Just endless videos of Russia attacking in the east which go about two ways:

Column of vehicles (BMPs, tanks, BTRs, etc) approach Ukrainian lines in broad daylight under observation.
One or more vehicles runs over often obvious TM mine(s).
General disarray and attempt to withdraw off route where they hit yet more TM mines.
AFU artillery comes to bear on messed up column with predictable results.
FPV drones finish off disabled vehicles.

Groups of infantry try to advance on AFU lines in broad daylight under observation.
DPICM rounds incoming doing their thing.
Russians run away from their dead and wounded.
Bomber drones finish off stragglers.

Enormously wasteful stuff for minimal or no results. The Ukrainians of course have losses but it's a massacre for the Russians.
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Will Russian have any men in the 18-40 age brackets when this war is done? These are pretty much the baby making years - so Russia is going to be doubly screwed down the line. Very few experienced male workers in the 40-60 age bracket an very few male workers coming up the ranks. Add to the the brain drain and slowly failing oil infrastructure and Poland is going to have a higher GDP than Russia.
 
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Ajay said:
Will Russian have any men in the 18-40 age brackets when this war is done? These are pretty much the baby making years - so Russia is going to be doubly screwed down the line. Very few male experienced male workers in the 40-60 age bracket an very few male workers coming up the ranks. Add to the the brain drain and slowly failing oil infrastructure and Poland is going to have a higher GDP than Russia.
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They were just boasting about their low unemployment lol. I would not call them long term thinkers over there.
 
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