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Lifer
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We see all these lists of RU equipment losses, but nothing about UKR losses. Are they not taking any or just not listing them?
They are taking plenty of losses, but not nearly as horrific as Russia’s losses.
Here is Ukraine’s latest batch.
Sack's was summarizing Simon Shusters Time article, he wasn't adding his own opinions especially in the bullet points that I mentioned. Go read the Time article instead you don't like Sacks. Shuster is/was in Kiev, he was talking to high officials and Zelensky's inner circle of aides. Its not Sack's editorializing that average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 43yrs, US/EU frustration over Ukrainian corruption and people like Shurma still being kept as a close advisor.
He was summarizing the article and then adding in his own editorial opinion. That’s why the article is labeled as ‘analysis’, which in the news world is another word for ‘opinion’, although usually analysis is reserved for expert opinion and Sacks has no expertise in this matter.
Regardless, I did read the Time article and it doesn’t really say anything we already didn’t know. The war is very hard for Ukraine, unfortunately it really has no choice but to continue as Russia cannot offer it meaningful security guarantees.
K1052
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Blinken is going to South Korea this week. In light of large scale DPRK deliveries of weapons to Russia it's not a big mystery as to why.
If South Korea's munitions output can be tapped directly along with their deep stocks of stuff they don't need anymore that would be quite helpful.
If South Korea's munitions output can be tapped directly along with their deep stocks of stuff they don't need anymore that would be quite helpful.
K1052
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Seems clear that the RU army simply has orders to attack and no matter if it's at a place they already got absolutely shellacked before.
Usually, adversaries get better at war fighting as the war continues. Russia seems stuck on tried and true means of failure. I suppose I shouldn't expect anything different from a totally corrupt mafia state.
Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
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Russia has improved dramatically.
They have not (again) waited for the wet season to funnel half their entire forces down a narrow choke point on the way to Kyiv.
They have actually mobilized and deployed the manpower necessary to hold the line across the entire frontline, as opposed to leaving it wide open.
2023 has seen dramatic improvements to Russia's organizational and fighting capability.
There are even reports that the Russian military has started to use drones against the Ukrainian military, as opposed to exclusively using them to bomb cities.
They ARE getting smarter, you just don't see it because of the sheer deficit of where they started.
That, and you think human life has value. Russia absolutely does not. They will expend their "meat" in anyway they see fit, including to simply run Ukraine out of both men and ammo. Russia will use its sheer size over Ukraine in their attempt to win via attrition. Will it work? Time will tell....
dainthomas
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I agree that human life is inconsequential to Russia, but they have barely made any territorial gains in 2023 while suffering massive equipment losses that they could never hope to replace.
kage69
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Got any dramatic examples?
But yeah, sure, they've adapted, from a lot of pressure, because they had to. Important note: the whole time a large number of mid level idiots were killed or replaced. They've certainly taken a harder line on drinking, though drug use has gone up I hear. The current tactics of abject suicide do not appear to be any smarter or effective than previous Russian tactics. We're talking about people who blow up dams and watch their own people wash away in the aftermath, the guys who think barracks can also double as ammo depots. Russia suddenly giving a shit about their own men, or the Geneva Conventions, that would be dramatic.
Just remember a lot of their changes are either half assed, from China, or both. That jammer people here were just talking about for instance. "Russia's got new EW! Jamming everything!"
While true, adding needed context changes things a bit. Those Pole21s jam the Russian stuff too. Turn it off so people can talk to HQ and here comes the JDAM (and that's what happened last week). Sorry, smart not found. That smacks more of desperation. Which is understandable - they no longer have a numeric artillery advantage and are now quite outclassed and outnumbered when it comes to drones.
And uh, no. Not even close. Russian Lancets have been killing Ukrainian gun crews for almost a year now. Might want to check those sources.
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Zor Prime
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Jaskalas
Lifer
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Attrition isn't about immediate territorial gains.
Those occur after your opponent can no longer resist due to being depleted.
Yet you argue as if you do not know that.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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I recall that information being passed around on twitter or reddit. That Russian drones are proving more lethal in the past month or two.
So no, I don't have official reports to that effect.
Precisely.
Considering Russia is currently suffering their worst losses in this war, what do you think will happen to Russia’s already dismal offensive capabilities in the future?
Meghan54
Lifer
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Why, finally the Russian “good secret” army will show up. Can’t you tell from what the Chicken Littles are crying?
Replace Russia with NATO. They’re the ones who we are reading about in articles about weapon stocks being depleted.
NATO Warns of Ammunition Shortage Due to War in Ukraine
www.voanews.com
Western ammo stocks at ‘bottom of the barrel’ as Ukraine war drags on, NATO official warns | CNN
Western militaries are running out of ammunition to give to Ukraine, NATO and British officials warned Tuesday, as they urged the bloc’s nations to ramp up production to “keep Ukraine in the fight against Russian invaders.”
NATO had suffered zero losses as they aren’t even in the war. Trust me, if NATO decided to join the war you would know it, as would the Russian solders for the short remainder of their lives.Replace Russia with NATO. They’re the ones who we are reading about in articles about weapon stocks being depleted.
NATO Warns of Ammunition Shortage Due to War in Ukraine
Western ammo stocks at ‘bottom of the barrel’ as Ukraine war drags on, NATO official warns | CNN
Western militaries are running out of ammunition to give to Ukraine, NATO and British officials warned Tuesday, as they urged the bloc’s nations to ramp up production to “keep Ukraine in the fight against Russian invaders.”amp.cnn.com
NATO isn’t an artillery force - too limited for our purposes. We are an air based artillery force.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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More mobilizations. More meat waves.
At some point Ukraine runs out of cluster shells, right?
The tech advantages we have provided, have a limited ammo / shelf life, right?
Is Russia capable of mobilizing nonexistent equipment?
I thought we already determined that the “meat” is meaningless to Russia.
NATO lost a 20 year war against an army without a single plane, tank or boat, but we’re supposed to believe they can defeat Russia.
🤡
Russia lost a 3-day war and are now sending boys to their deaths in BTR-50s.
Pens1566
Lifer
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Replace Russia with NATO. They’re the ones who we are reading about in articles about weapon stocks being depleted.
NATO Warns of Ammunition Shortage Due to War in Ukraine
Western ammo stocks at ‘bottom of the barrel’ as Ukraine war drags on, NATO official warns | CNN
Western militaries are running out of ammunition to give to Ukraine, NATO and British officials warned Tuesday, as they urged the bloc’s nations to ramp up production to “keep Ukraine in the fight against Russian invaders.”
That's ok, we'll just force feed you TLAMs for dinner. Well, for about 72hrs that is ...
dainthomas
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Lol that's like the French dragging the US for losing in Vietnam.
When is the last war Russia has won outside its own borders?
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