Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[fskimospy]

Cope.

You don't get it - the Russians are only retreating until Putin decides to pull out his secret 'actually good' army he's been hiding all this time.

It's also why it only LOOKS like Putin is going crawling to the North Koreans, begging for help.

 

[brycejones]

Your naive if you think ‘it is up to the Ukrainians’. Their entire economy is dependent on western aid. They have zero say in the matter. It’s not a secret why Blinken is now saying this:

-Counteroffensive was a failure

-Oil prices going up

-Rain/Mud/Snow season coming up which will slow things down

-Election season next year

-Majority of the country opposed to continued funding of this war

You guys think this war is going to drag until next year? I don’t think so. But keep hope alive.

Someone overdosed on the copium

 

[K1052]

You don't get it - the Russians are only retreating until Putin decides to pull out his secret 'actually good' army he's been hiding all this time.

It's also why it only LOOKS like Putin is going crawling to the North Koreans, begging for help.

It's pretty hilarious how dependent Russia has made itself on its former vassals and customers due to starting this idiotic war. The split screen of Shoigu fake happily touring Russian tank factories and grumpily attending North Korean arms expos is fantastic.

 

[fskimospy]

I’ll care when Putin says it. Until it comes out of his mouth, words from others are just that. Words.

LOL. You can't possibly be this stupid.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-28/russia-says-no-room-for-compromise-over-ukraine-as-tensions-mount

 

[Young Grasshopper]

The west never agreed to grant Rosselkhozbank SWIFT access. This was a new demand from Putin. Alternative means to clear transactions through JPMorgan were in place but Putin was unhappy because this limits opportunities to evade sanctions. This payment corridor was terminated after Russia quit the deal.
The problem with negotiating with Putin is that he goes back on every deal he ever makes. It's one of life's ironclad certainties besides death and taxes. Putin better hope he can offer something to Ukraine that will get them to stop the war because he does need the war to stop at some point.

How about just turning on SWIFT access for one bank then bud? Is it really that hard?

Besides, we know the bulk of this grain went to EU and only 3% of it went to the countries who actually need it.

The good news is Putin has pledged to give the grain away free of charge to the countries that need it(Africa).

 

[dainthomas]

Really?

Take a look at this interview Blinken gave just yesterday:

Pay close attention to 3:48

‘We’ll be right behind Ukraine in negotiations’

When have you ever heard Blinken throughout this conflict talk about negotiations?

Let’s compare that to what he said back in March shall we?

https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1637886357044338699?s=46

Freezing the conflict would be a violation of the UN charter? In other words, stop the killing would be illegal.

If you want to know what a psychopath looks, that’s what they look like.

I told you guys last month all of these negative articles regarding the failing counteroffensive was meant to soften the landing for the neocon warmongers. Its not a coincidence he is making these statements right after coming back from a trip to Kiev.

Amazing how this clown says it takes two to tango when it comes to negotiations, when the Russians have said throughout this conflict they are open to negotiations, meanwhile the Ukrainian government has made it illegal to negotiate. This is what losing looks like boys.

They better hope Putin is up for negotiations after all the bullshit the Russian government has had to deal with, like this failed grain deal, you know not the one Russia pulled out of, but the one Russia let expire because part of the deal was to enable SWIFT access to ONE Russian agricultural bank. That access was never enabled, which was part of the deal. Of course the media won’t tell you that part.

Do the negotiations you refer to involve them keeping territory stolen in an illegal invasion?

They are free to leave all stolen territory any time they want, and can probably negotiate to get some of the sanctions rolled back as they pay reparations to the country they unjustly attacked.

A lover of peace such as yourself should encourage Putin to take these actions as soon as possible to stop the needless slaugher.

 

[K1052]

How about just turning on SWIFT access for one bank then bud? Is it really that hard?

Besides, we know the bulk of this grain went to EU and only 3% of it went to the countries who actually need it.

The good news is Putin has pledged to give the grain away free of charge to the countries that need it(Africa).

No.

Not true.

This is commonly known as a "bribe".

 

[kage69]

Dumbass cowardly cheerleader still acting like Putler honors deals? Ha, yeah shocking I know.

How's that pardon working out for ya Prigozhin? Hey idiot, when your troops are about to collapse and your idea of drone defense is a layer of tires, there is no good news for Russia.

As Russia continues to lose ground and boots to Ukrainian liberation I expect his stream of nonsense will only get more fervent, even more detached from reality (somehow).

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Do the negotiations you refer to involve them keeping territory stolen in an illegal invasion?

They are free to leave all stolen territory any time they want, and can probably negotiate to get some of the sanctions rolled back as they pay reparations to the country they unjustly attacked.

A lover of peace such as yourself should encourage Putin to take these actions as soon as possible to stop the needless slaugher.

Russia is not going to leave bud. This is fantasy stuff. But it does sound the US is prepared to leave if Zelensky doesn’t get his act together.

Politics matters and at the end of the day, the US is not going to continue funding an endless war. We have funded endless wars in the past but that was because we were directly involved in these wars with boots on the ground. No so with this one.

Also, giving Ukraine billions of dollars in US taxpayer money while Maui residents got a $700 left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth about Project Ukraine.

 

[dainthomas]

Russia is not going to leave bud. This is fantasy stuff. But it does sound the US is prepared to leave if Zelensky doesn’t get his act together.

At least we agree they are criminal invaders who deserve to be globally shunned.

 

[Zorba]

SpaceX and Tesla would not exist as they are today without massive direct US government support. Support that he now characterizes as unfair (for any other companies to get) since his companies resultingly have dominant positions in two industries. He should be more concerned what US policymakers think than Russian policy makers who have zero stake in his fortune or future prospects. Of course this would take some kind of self awareness and a basically top of the scale narcissist isn't really capable of that.

Elon is a perfect example of who Obama was talking about when he gave the "you didn't build that" speech.

 

[fskimospy]

Russia is not going to leave bud. This is fantasy stuff. But it does sound the US is prepared to leave if Zelensky doesn’t get his act together.

lol - more hopium. If Russia wants negotiations then leaving is how to get them. If they don't want to leave, they don't want to negotiate. Same goes for getting back into SWIFT - if they want back in they can stop illegally invading their neighbors.

Our system, our rules.

 

[Zorba]

A US government space launch contract isn't a subsidy.

Having access to multiple DOD launch sites is. Being paid to develop "commercial" launch was.

Also we all know many contracts are just hidden subsidies, although that's probably less yrue with SpaceX than others.

 

[Ajay]

Ugh, I wish that there was a setting that didn't show responses to people I have on ignore (YG). The signal to noise ratio is this thread tends toward zero whenever he posts and then people respond /rant

 

[kage69]

Russia is not going to leave bud. This is fantasy stuff. But it does sound the US is prepared to leave if Zelensky doesn’t get his act together.

Politics matters and at the end of the day, the US is not going to continue funding an endless war. We have funded endless wars in the past but that was because we were directly involved in these wars with boots on the ground. No so with this one.

Also, giving Ukraine billions of dollars in US taxpayer money while Maui residents got a $700 left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth about Project Ukraine.

Still spewing this dogshit even after you were corrected on it before, haha classic, using lies about people's suffering for a broken attempt at a gotcha.

Shouldn't you be blaming Hunter Biden for something right about now? Maui got presidential attention in 6 hours, numbnuts, and with zero question over how the affected area voted. Do fuck off with this pathetic, unoriginal shit btw. It's quite clear you don't give a damn about people in harms way. If you did, Russians hunting Ukrainian civilians at markets with missiles would bother you then, wouldn't it?

 

[fskimospy]

Also, giving Ukraine billions of dollars in US taxpayer money while Maui residents got a $700 left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth about Project Ukraine.

Another lie.

 

[kage69]

Ugh, I wish that there was a setting that didn't show responses to people I have on ignore (YG). The signal to noise ratio is this thread tends toward zero whenever he post and then people respond /rant

Fascists and the rot they try to spread should be refuted. Stupidity tends to spread when not challenged.

Does sound like a good setting idea though.

 

[Brovane]

Having access to multiple DOD launch sites is. Being paid to develop "commercial" launch was.

Also we all know many contracts are just hidden subsidies, although that's probably less yrue with SpaceX than others.

SpaceX leases sites from the US government just like any other launch provider does. SpaceX then has to pay for improvements to those sites in order to launch it's vehicles.
SpaceX also has to pay range fees to the US government for using a government range, IE the Eastern Range.
Being paid to develop a service that is specifically required by the US government isn't a subsidy. However this is a common misconception by people.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

If this is the Bud guy, are the others that use the account Bud Lites?

 

[Brovane]

Is the Kremlin paying his bills?

SpaceX providers services to the US government and is paid for providing those services. Is every government contract a subsidy now?

 

[Ajay]

SpaceX providers services to the US government and is paid for providing those services. Is every government contract a subsidy now?

It is when your project wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting off the ground without government support and purchase commitments. Subsidy is kind of a loaded word that is twisting this discussion a bit towards a a philosophical battle.

 

[K1052]

SpaceX providers services to the US government and is paid for providing those services. Is every government contract a subsidy now?

Without early NASA backing its likely the company would not have survived. A large chunk of their business is government based and will be for the foreseeable future. The financial success of Starlink also probably hinges on selling lots of service to the US military/government.

Why is Musk phoning Moscow, with whom he does little to no business with, to see where they think he should allow service? Also if its totally innocent lets see his chats with Russian officials like he released his chats with Ukrainian officials.

 

[K1052]

Subsidy is kind of a loaded word that is twisting this discussion a bit towards a a philosophical battle.

Yes, like Boeing and Airbus pointing fingers at each other over local subsidies and military contracts.

Most broadly in this case the US government pays Musk's bills at SpaceX so probably best to ask them about where service should be allowed and not in a conflict zone where we have national interests instead of phoning the Kremlin.

 

[Ajay]

Yes, like Boeing and Airbus pointing fingers at each other over local subsidies and military contracts.

Most broadly in this case the US government pays Musk's bills at SpaceX so probably best to ask them about where service should be allowed and not in a conflict zone where we have national interests instead of phoning the Kremlin.

LOL, at times Boeing and Airbus act as though they are children in a sibling rivalry. Kind of funny, but big $$$s involved.

I am confident that the DOD will get Kviv what it needs in terms of targeting data regardless of little Napoleon's tantrums. It would have been easier, ofc, if ego wasn't the size of his stock holdings.

 

[Zorba]

SpaceX leases sites from the US government just like any other launch provider does. SpaceX then has to pay for improvements to those sites in order to launch it's vehicles.
SpaceX also has to pay range fees to the US government for using a government range, IE the Eastern Range.
Being paid to develop a service that is specifically required by the US government isn't a subsidy. However this is a common misconception by people.

I understand they lease and improve the launch sites, the lease fees do not actually cover the value of the infrastructure at the site, though.

Did you pay Ford to develop your last car? Paying for the development of, but not taking ownership of, the design is a subsidy. Especially when it is being paid to a company with exactly zero experience in the field they are being funded to develop.

Regardless, without US Government funding and infrastructure, there would be no SpaceX. Whether you call it a subsidy or not is really just semantics.