Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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While this is most likely just bluster as Russia’s army has been decimated without NATO so much as throwing a punch you’re right to highlight the fact that if Russia could they would happily invade all of their neighbors.
Furthermore, while Russian logistics are shit and they need time to get it together, do not, for one second, think that Russia is not "all in".
We have not equipped Ukraine with enough supplies to kill an additional half million Russians.
But we need to.

Hell, we need to destroy the Kerch Bridge ourselves.

Ukrainian intelligence estimates that Russia has about 420,000 soldiers deployed in Ukraine

By our choice to drag this out, Ukrainians bleed and die by the day.
We are without honor.
 
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Unfortunately, that can't happen until December '24, if then.


Putin's Puppet Modi coerced capitulation of the G20 towards sympathy for the aggressor.
 

Racan

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Tank on tank engagements look to be surprisingly rare in this war. We may have the first video of a Leopard 2 engaging russki tanks. Also I think the YouTuber is wrong saying this is a Leo 2A6. The gun looks too short for an L55. It’s probably an older A4 variant.

 

kage69

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Starlink was never meant to defend Ukraine. It was meant to be used for civilian purposes. That is what the contract stated.

His company, his satellites, his rules.

End of story.

More bullshit from you, was meant for troop coms since Day 1. Hey why don't you prove it bitch, let's see the contract wording you are referring to.

Starlink is currently up and running for all of Ukraine, Crimea included apparently. Cry some more.

Our money, our rules. End of story.
 
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zinfamous

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Reading this Shotwell indicates their was a agreement.

Using Starlink with drones went beyond the scope of an agreement SpaceX has with the Ukrainian government, Shotwell said, adding the contract was intended for humanitarian purposes such as providing broadband internet to hospitals, banks and families affected by Russia's invasion.

again, why does some business agreement with some Silicon Valley pissant matter fuck-all when these people are fighting to exist?

SpaceX can go fuck itself. Again, I get your point from within the vacuum of laws and principles or what not, but none of that matters right now in the real world of real things that are actually happening and there simply is no reason to debate this fucking nonsense.

SpaceX can go fuck itself. Hopefully Biden will just nationalize them and Musk can go cry in his Twitter. Seriously, fuck them.
 

Pipeline 1010

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again, why does some business agreement with some Silicon Valley pissant matter fuck-all when these people are fighting to exist?

SpaceX can go fuck itself. Again, I get your point from within the vacuum of laws and principles or what not, but none of that matters right now in the real world of real things that are actually happening and there simply is no reason to debate this fucking nonsense.

SpaceX can go fuck itself. Hopefully Biden will just nationalize them and Musk can go cry in his Twitter. Seriously, fuck them.

I'm feeling your same emotion. Ukraine is fighting to survive and if they fall, they won't be the last victim. There is some immediate urgency to help them. Hell, it's what we've spent the last 80 years funding our military to do: defend Europe from Russia. It has been the primary driver of weapons research and manufacturing and stockpiling for the greater part of a century...now it's time to use them for what they were created for.

On one hand, I'm not a fan of "the government needs your companies stuff so now it's ours." In fact, I HATE it. Circumstances need to be extraordinary in order for me to support something like this.

On the other hand, Starlink is a monopoly. There really isn't a second or third option, which is what makes free market competition so powerful. So if they have intentionally placed themselves in an indispensable part of our national defense or our nation's best interests abroad, they shouldn't be surprised when we need them to play that role.
 
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K1052

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On the other hand, Starlink is a monopoly. There really isn't a second or third option, which is what makes free market competition so powerful. So if they have intentionally placed themselves in an indispensable part of our national defense or our nation's best interests abroad, they shouldn't be surprised when we need them to play that role.

SpaceX and Tesla would not exist as they are today without massive direct US government support. Support that he now characterizes as unfair (for any other companies to get) since his companies resultingly have dominant positions in two industries. He should be more concerned what US policymakers think than Russian policy makers who have zero stake in his fortune or future prospects. Of course this would take some kind of self awareness and a basically top of the scale narcissist isn't really capable of that.
 

Brovane

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again, why does some business agreement with some Silicon Valley pissant matter fuck-all when these people are fighting to exist?

SpaceX can go fuck itself. Again, I get your point from within the vacuum of laws and principles or what not, but none of that matters right now in the real world of real things that are actually happening and there simply is no reason to debate this fucking nonsense.

SpaceX can go fuck itself. Hopefully Biden will just nationalize them and Musk can go cry in his Twitter. Seriously, fuck them.

Why nationalize them when the issue has already been resolved with a DOD contract? Do you realize you are getting all fired up about something that has already been resolved?
 

Brovane

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SpaceX and Tesla would not exist as they are today without massive direct US government support. Support that he now characterizes as unfair (for any other companies to get) since his companies resultingly have dominant positions in two industries. He should be more concerned what US policymakers think than Russian policy makers who have zero stake in his fortune or future prospects. Of course this would take some kind of self awareness and a basically top of the scale narcissist isn't really capable of that.

A US government space launch contract isn't a subsidy.
 
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I'm feeling your same emotion. Ukraine is fighting to survive and if they fall, they won't be the last victim. There is some immediate urgency to help them. Hell, it's what we've spent the last 80 years funding our military to do: defend Europe from Russia. It has been the primary driver of weapons research and manufacturing and stockpiling for the greater part of a century...now it's time to use them for what they were created for.
Which is why I say the EU needs to step in.
 

Young Grasshopper

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Truly the dumbest thing I've read today. Also the Brits supplied du rounds with the Challenger 2s months ago.

The only people pushing for a cease fire are Russians and their sundry tankie boot lickers.


Really?

Take a look at this interview Blinken gave just yesterday:


Pay close attention to 3:48

‘We’ll be right behind Ukraine in negotiations’

When have you ever heard Blinken throughout this conflict talk about negotiations?

Let’s compare that to what he said back in March shall we?


Freezing the conflict would be a violation of the UN charter? In other words, stop the killing would be illegal.

If you want to know what a psychopath looks, that’s what they look like.

I told you guys last month all of these negative articles regarding the failing counteroffensive was meant to soften the landing for the neocon warmongers. Its not a coincidence he is making these statements right after coming back from a trip to Kiev.

Amazing how this clown says it takes two to tango when it comes to negotiations, when the Russians have said throughout this conflict they are open to negotiations, meanwhile the Ukrainian government has made it illegal to negotiate. This is what losing looks like boys.

They better hope Putin is up for negotiations after all the bullshit the Russian government has had to deal with, like this failed grain deal, you know not the one Russia pulled out of, but the one Russia let expire because part of the deal was to enable SWIFT access to ONE Russian agricultural bank. That access was never enabled, which was part of the deal. Of course the media won’t tell you that part.
 
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fskimospy

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Really?

Take a look at this interview Blinken have just yesterday:


Pay close attention to 3:48

‘We’ll be right behind Ukraine in negotiations’

When have you ever heard Blinken throughout this conflict talk about negotiations?

Let’s compare that to what he said back in March shall we?


Freezing the conflict would be a violation of the UN charter? In other words, stop the killing would be illegal.

If you want to know what a psychopath looks, that’s what they look like.

I told you guys last month all of these negative articles regarding the failing counteroffensive was meant to soften the landing for the neocon warmongers. Its not a coincidence he is making these statements right after coming back from a trip to Kiev.

Amazing how this clown says it takes two to tango when it comes to negotiations, when the Russians have said throughout this conflict they are open to negotiations, meanwhile the Ukrainian government has made it illegal to negotiate. This is what losing looks like boys.

They better hope Putin is up for negotiations after all the bullshit the Russian government has had to deal with, like this failed grain deal, you know not the one Russia pulled out of, but the one Russia let expire because part of the deal was to enable SWIFT access to ONE Russian agricultural bank. That access was never enabled, which was part of the deal. Of course the media won’t tell you that part.
This is the exact same line the US has used from the very start - we will support Ukraine if they choose to negotiate, but it's up to them. As far as negotiations go, all Russia has to do is stop their illegal invasion and return to their own country. I'm sure Ukraine would be glad to discuss things then.

How do you feel about Russian generals talking about how this invasion is just the start and they hope to invade more of their neighbors soon?
 

K1052

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They better hope Putin is up for negotiations after all the bullshit the Russian government has had to deal with, like this failed grain deal, you know not the one Russia pulled out of, but the one Russia let expire because part of the deal was to enable SWIFT access to ONE Russian agricultural bank. That access was never enabled, which was part of the deal. Of course the media won’t tell you that part.

The west never agreed to grant Rosselkhozbank SWIFT access. This was a new demand from Putin. Alternative means to clear transactions through JPMorgan were in place but Putin was unhappy because this limits opportunities to evade sanctions. This payment corridor was terminated after Russia quit the deal.

The problem with negotiating with Putin is that he goes back on every deal he ever makes. It's one of life's ironclad certainties besides death and taxes. Putin better hope he can offer something to Ukraine that will get them to stop the war because he does need the war to stop at some point.
 

Young Grasshopper

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This is the exact same line the US has used from the very start - we will support Ukraine if they choose to negotiate, but it's up to them. As far as negotiations go, all Russia has to do is stop their illegal invasion and return to their own country. I'm sure Ukraine would be glad to discuss things then.

How do you feel about Russian generals talking about how this invasion is just the start and they hope to invade more of their neighbors soon?

Your naive if you think ‘it is up to the Ukrainians’. Their entire economy is dependent on western aid. They have zero say in the matter. It’s not a secret why Blinken is now saying this:

-Counteroffensive was a failure

-Oil prices going up

-Rain/Mud/Snow season coming up which will slow things down

-Election season next year

-Majority of the country opposed to continued funding of this war

You guys think this war is going to drag until next year? I don’t think so. But keep hope alive.
 

fskimospy

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Your naive if you think ‘it is up to the Ukrainians’. Their entire economy is dependent on western aid. They have zero say in the matter. It’s not a secret why Blinken is now saying this:

-Counteroffensive was a failure

-Oil prices going up

-Rain/Mud/Snow season coming up which will slow things down

-Election season next year

-Majority of the country opposed to continued funding of this war

You guys think this war is going to drag until next year? I don’t think so. But keep hope alive.
You can see the desperation oozing out of this post, haha.

You didn't answer my question though - Russian generals are saying they want to invade more countries. As a lover of peace, how do you feel about this?
 
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fskimospy

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The west never agreed to grant Rosselkhozbank SWIFT access. This was a new demand from Putin. Alternative means to clear transactions through JPMorgan were in place but Putin was unhappy because this limits opportunities to evade sanctions. This payment corridor was terminated after Russia quit the deal.

The problem with negotiating with Putin is that he goes back on every deal he ever makes. It's one of life's ironclad certainties besides death and taxes. Putin better hope he can offer something to Ukraine that will get them to stop the war because he does need the war to stop at some point.
Yes, this is another reason why Ukraine (correctly) thinks negotiation with Russia is pointless. Putin's word is worthless so he can't be trusted to make credible commitments.

If Russia is serious about negotiations then they need to get rid of him.
 

K1052

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Your naive if you think ‘it is up to the Ukrainians’. Their entire economy is dependent on western aid. They have zero say in the matter. It’s not a secret why Blinken is now saying this:

-Counteroffensive was a failure

-Oil prices going up

-Rain/Mud/Snow season coming up which will slow things down

-Election season next year

-Majority of the country opposed to continued funding of this war

You guys think this war is going to drag until next year? I don’t think so. But keep hope alive.

Cope.
 

Young Grasshopper

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You can see the desperation oozing out of this post, haha.

You didn't answer my question though - Russian generals are saying they want to invade more countries. As a lover of peace, how do you feel about this?


I’ll care when Putin says it. Until it comes out of his mouth, words from others are just that. Words.