Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Young Grasshopper

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Rumors going around that Blinken recent visit to Kyiv(a 2 days visit, not the usual same day visit) was to inform Zelensky the counteroffensive failed and they want to push for a frozen conflict. Of course Russia has to agree with this. If not, that’s when the ATACMS and depleted uranium shells come in.

BTW, Zelensky’s BFF Boris Johnson visited shortly after.

Don’t be surprised if you start hearing the things like ‘freezing the conflict’ on mainstream media the next few weeks.
 

Young Grasshopper

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I don't really care what the original wording or intent of the contract was. Things have changed. When you make an overt act to limit or prevent destruction of the enemy, you become the enemy.

They should be doing everything possible to aid UKR in their goal to eliminate the enemy.

Too bad. But feel free to start your own satellite internet provider business to help them out if it bothers you that much. No one is stopping you. This is America after all.
 
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K1052

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Rumors going around that Blinken recent visit to Kyiv(a 2 days visit, not the usual same day visit) was to inform Zelensky the counteroffensive failed and they want to push for a frozen conflict. Of course Russia has to agree with this. If not, that’s when the ATACMS and depleted uranium shells come in.

BTW, Zelensky’s BFF Boris Johnson visited shortly after.

Don’t be surprised if you start hearing the things like ‘freezing the conflict’ on mainstream media the next few weeks.

Truly the dumbest thing I've read today. Also the Brits supplied du rounds with the Challenger 2s months ago.

The only people pushing for a cease fire are Russians and their sundry tankie boot lickers.
 

Pipeline 1010

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Rumors going around that Blinken recent visit to Kyiv(a 2 days visit, not the usual same day visit) was to inform Zelensky the counteroffensive failed and they want to push for a frozen conflict. Of course Russia has to agree with this. If not, that’s when the ATACMS and depleted uranium shells come in.

BTW, Zelensky’s BFF Boris Johnson visited shortly after.

Don’t be surprised if you start hearing the things like ‘freezing the conflict’ on mainstream media the next few weeks.

Upon reading this....at this exact moment...I know for sure that Russia is afraid they are going to lose.
 

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Upon reading this....at this exact moment...I know for sure that Russia is afraid they are going to lose.
In my opinion Russia lost this war as soon as their offensive was stopped, as this was supposed to be a walkover and show-off of their military might. And that was over a year ago.
Today we're at the point where their most effective tactic is basically terrorist attacks against civilians and their military is on the defense which is embarrassing for such a "superpower".
 
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^^^ I've a said it before, I'll say it again ....

No one has really 'won' a war since 1945. Everything since has either ended in a standoff or turned out worse than it was before. The days of a military simply walking over someone have pretty much ended.
 
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Jaskalas

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Guess where Russia intends to stop their bloody genocidal crusade?
The borders of France. Minimum.

I have paid attention to what Russia is saying, and their claim over the entirety of the former USSR, Germany included.
Now here it is once again. A slip behind the PR mask. Russia's true intentions.
You give these fuckers one inch of land for a ceasefire, so they can rearm, you are just pushing yourself closer to nuclear war.

Russian General Admits Ukraine Just a 'Stepping Stone' to Invade Europe

A key Russian general who Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted this week views the invasion of Ukraine as a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.
"I think there's still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer," the general said.
"Ukraine is only a stepping stone?" the interviewer then asked.
"Yes, absolutely. It is only the beginning," Mordvichev responded, who went on to say that the war "will not stop here."
 
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I think SpaceX leadership was just naive when they enabled Starlink services in Ukraine as to the military potential of Starlink.

"Using Starlink with drones went beyond the scope of an agreement SpaceX has with the Ukrainian government, Shotwell said, adding the contract was intended for humanitarian purposes such as providing broadband internet to hospitals, banks and families affected by Russia's invasion.

"We know the military is using them for comms, and that's ok," she said. "But our intent was never to have them use it for offensive purposes.

Asked if SpaceX had anticipated Starlink's use for offensive purposes in Ukraine when deciding to ship terminals into conflict zones, Shotwell said: "We didn't think about it. I didn't think about it. Our starlink team may have, I don't know. But we learned pretty quickly."
I suspect this is unstated expected use. I.e, Musk view changed on how starlink should be used AFTER conversations with the Russians.
 

Ajay

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Guess where Russia intends to stop their bloody genocidal crusade?
The borders of France. Minimum.

I have paid attention to what Russia is saying, and their claim over the entirety of the former USSR, Germany included.
Now here it is once again. A slip behind the PR mask. Russia's true intentions.
You give these fuckers one inch of land for a ceasefire, so they can rearm, you are just pushing yourself closer to nuclear war.

Russian General Admits Ukraine Just a 'Stepping Stone' to Invade Europe

A key Russian general who Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted this week views the invasion of Ukraine as a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.

LOL! Good luck with that!
 
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fskimospy

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Upon reading this....at this exact moment...I know for sure that Russia is afraid they are going to lose.
That was exactly my thought. As soon as you see the tankies pushing for Ukraine to leave lines where they are you know they are terrified of a Russian collapse.

Ukraine is right - Russia is weak now and if they stop Russia will simply use that time to rebuild their shattered army and attack again. Best to finish them off while you have the chance.
 

cytg111

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Rumors going around that Blinken recent visit to Kyiv(a 2 days visit, not the usual same day visit) was to inform Zelensky the counteroffensive failed and they want to push for a frozen conflict. Of course Russia has to agree with this. If not, that’s when the ATACMS and depleted uranium shells come in.

BTW, Zelensky’s BFF Boris Johnson visited shortly after.

Don’t be surprised if you start hearing the things like ‘freezing the conflict’ on mainstream media the next few weeks.
Low grade Simping on display.
 

cytg111

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eReally makes you wonder what happened to him to make him hate his own country so much that he’d rather side with a country as culturally and morally degenerate as Russia.
Pretty sure that half of Trumps base feels this way, so 20% of Americans? Why? Why Jim Jones anything… ?

Funny thing is these people calling everyone else sheeple… The Dunning is strong in these interweb Krugers.
 
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fskimospy

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Guess where Russia intends to stop their bloody genocidal crusade?
The borders of France. Minimum.

I have paid attention to what Russia is saying, and their claim over the entirety of the former USSR, Germany included.
Now here it is once again. A slip behind the PR mask. Russia's true intentions.
You give these fuckers one inch of land for a ceasefire, so they can rearm, you are just pushing yourself closer to nuclear war.

Russian General Admits Ukraine Just a 'Stepping Stone' to Invade Europe

A key Russian general who Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted this week views the invasion of Ukraine as a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.

While this is most likely just bluster as Russia’s army has been decimated without NATO so much as throwing a punch you’re right to highlight the fact that if Russia could they would happily invade all of their neighbors.

@Young Grasshopper - as a lover of peace what do you think should be done about Russia’s desire to invade even more places?
 
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zinfamous

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Well remember it was the US Intelligence community that thought Ukraine would fold in the matter of days under a Russian attack. A lot of things have surprised us about the war in Ukraine. So yes, I believe that the SpaceX leadership could be that stupid. They build rockets, they are not foreign policy experts despite someone acting like he is. I think the ingenious way that Ukraine has used drones in the war has surprised people even military analysts.

indeed. but the point is that repeating what the press people at SpaceX or their engineers say in public as representative of what they actually know and do isn't really an accurate assessment of what they actually know and do wrg to their tech.

Fksimposy is simply saying that all these big brain rocket scientists and tech wizards admitting that they were so incredibly oblivious to this very obvious use of their service is a bit...uh, silly.
 

zinfamous

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Rumors going around that Blinken recent visit to Kyiv(a 2 days visit, not the usual same day visit) was to inform Zelensky the counteroffensive failed and they want to push for a frozen conflict. Of course Russia has to agree with this. If not, that’s when the ATACMS and depleted uranium shells come in.

BTW, Zelensky’s BFF Boris Johnson visited shortly after.

Don’t be surprised if you start hearing the things like ‘freezing the conflict’ on mainstream media the next few weeks.

this is how we know that you have lost complete control of your bodily functions, because you know and we know that you know what is about to happen.

The utter desperation in this ridiculous claim of yours, based on a complete and obvious fabrication that rejects easily-observable truths. It's eternal pants-shitting for you and your tankie brethren right now. Go and get some, bitch.
 

zinfamous

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While this is most likely just bluster as Russia’s army has been decimated without NATO so much as throwing a punch you’re right to highlight the fact that if Russia could they would happily invade all of their neighbors.

@Young Grasshopper - as a lover of peace what do you think should be done about Russia’s desire to invade even more places?

the world should sue for peace now and let Russia take what they claim is theirs: it's the only way to prevent unnecessary bloodshed in response to all the evil things we are making Russia do.

/literally how grasshopper's brain works.
 

fskimospy

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the world should sue for peace now and let Russia take what they claim is theirs: it's the only way to prevent unnecessary bloodshed in response to all the evil things we are making Russia do.

/literally how grasshopper's brain works.
I think he will never respond but if he did yes, I think he would end up arguing that the path to peace is surrender to Russia’s demands.
 

Brovane

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From the Washington Post. Should private companies finance a foreign country's war?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/07/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine-russia-invasion/

Shotwell, president of SpaceX, also felt strongly that the company should stop subsidizing the Ukrainian military operation. Providing humanitarian help was fine, but private companies should not be financing a foreign country’s war. That should be left to the government, which is why the United States has a foreign military sales program that puts a layer of protection between private companies and foreign governments. Other companies, including big and profitable defense contractors, were charging billions to supply weapons to Ukraine, so it seemed unfair that Starlink, which was not yet profitable, should do it for free.

“We initially gave the Ukrainians free service for humanitarian and defense purposes, such as keeping up their hospitals and banking systems,” she says. “But then they started putting them on f---ing drones trying to blow up Russian ships. I’m happy to donate services for ambulances and hospitals and mothers. That’s what companies and people should do. But it’s wrong to pay for military drone strikes.

In the end, with Shotwell’s help, SpaceX made arrangements with various government agencies to pay for increased Starlink service in Ukraine, with the military and CIA working out the terms of service. More than 100,000 new satellite dishes were sent to Ukraine at the beginning of 2023. In addition, Starlink launched a companion service called Starshield, which was specifically designed for military use. SpaceX licensed Starshield satellites and services to the U.S. military and other agencies, allowing the government to determine how they could and should be used in Ukraine and elsewhere.
 

Brovane

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indeed. but the point is that repeating what the press people at SpaceX or their engineers say in public as representative of what they actually know and do isn't really an accurate assessment of what they actually know and do wrg to their tech.

Fksimposy is simply saying that all these big brain rocket scientists and tech wizards admitting that they were so incredibly oblivious to this very obvious use of their service is a bit...uh, silly.

Or maybe SpaceX thought that Ukraine would abide by the scope of agreement for what was acceptable use of Starlink which included not putting Starlink terminals on "f---ing drones trying to blow up Russian ships".