You may not but our government most certainly would and have acted on it.
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Pens1566
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Immaterial. What does that have to do with Russia invading Ukraine twice? You've already lost the "but but NATO border" excuse.
Brovane
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Is their a technical definition of NATO weapons pumping? What is that exactly?
Commodus
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Er... no. NATO countries have a basic right to border defense, and have not conducted any buildups or political rhetoric to suggest they would invade Russia. Like Pens said, NATO has had troops on the borders since the Cold War began; Putin is complaining about something that hasn't really changed and doesn't pose a threat. This wasn't Putin's attempt to bring peace; it was an attempt to weaken defenses so that he could act unilaterally with a slower response from NATO members.
Russia, meanwhile, did little to hide that it was amassing troops at Ukraine's border for the sake of invasion. Putin just lied about why he 'needed' to invade the country.
I know the Iraq War was based on false pretenses. Bush Jr.'s administration wasn't at all subtle about that. But there's a certain irony to using that as your example while effectively supporting Russia, which... invaded on clearly false pretenses. Do you really think Russia needed to "de-Nazify" Ukraine?
dainthomas
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If he has a problem with NATO he should invade NATO. Oh wait, their fourth-rate army of untrained conscripts and prisoners would get demolished. Then he'd have to either nuke the world or accept whatever conditions NATO imposes.
Pens1566
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NTMBK
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1-Sure invading a country is not the mark of peace, which is why a PEACE agreement was signed afterwards. You know, kind of like how most wars end? The agreement was signed to bring peace.
2-Again, where is your evidence that Russia did not tend to abide by the peace agreement? I have yet to hear Poroshenko, Merkel or Putin say Russia had no intention of abiding by it. All I hear is Putin complaining Ukraine is not holding up their end of the bargain, and Merkel and Poroshenko stating they had no intention. What conclusion is one supposed to draw from that?
Let me explain this in simpler terms. Say your a mediator trying to solve a dispute between 2 people:
Person A: Person B isn’t holding up their end of the bargain.
Person B: Your right we’re not.
?
I rest my case your honor.
I think all of the pro war propaganda you guys have been fed the past year and how it is all going will soon unravel. Can’t ignore reality forever. Also the fact that Ukraine is now asking for more tank and artillery then the entire German army has, tell us this war of attrition is not going well.
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The proof that Russia didn’t intend to abide by it is that they didn’t abide by it.
Regardless, they invaded their neighbor! That’s not peaceful.
Can you make the simple statement that Russia is not a peaceful nation as shown by the invasion of their neighbors? That should be easy for you.
IronWing
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He's not a troll; he's a paid Chinese propagandist. It's kind of interesting watching how he works, sad really, how a once mighty propaganda machine has rusted away.
Drach
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Our? Highly doubtful that the US government would invade and kill 10's of thousands of Mexicans . We may have our quarrels but mostly we are very friendly. I love going to Mexico every year for vacation .
Apparently it’s a relative handful of light man portable weapons.
Latest I could find, the Dutch had 4 batteries.
Dutch Patriot missiles, UK C-17 support cleared by US State Department
The two deals are potentially worth over $600 million for U.S. contractors.
www.defensenews.com
What I’m excited for is an intellectually consistent framework where invading Iraq was bad (it was!) but invading Ukraine is not bad (it is bad!).
Brovane
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Yeah as if the Baltic states have zero reason to be concerned about a Russian invasion.
If you’ve ever done something bad everything else you ever do is bad seems to be the argument.
zinfamous
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Why is he resigning then if it was a simple 'mistake'? Maybe he was asked to lie about it instead and he refused?
Do your research on NATO policy before you call it 'unprovoked'. The same NATO that launched nearly 10,000 raids on Libya and turned it from the most prosperous nation in Africa to an actual slave state.
Libya Remains a Failed State 11 Years After NATO Intervention
The Western-backed overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi ushered in a period of political instability and violence that continues to this day.www.telesurenglish.net
NATO has been pumping weapons onto Russia's borders for 8 years now and you don't expect its neighbors to react? Let's see how you would react if Russia was pumping weapons onto the US/Mexico border.
The last time this happened to us, this is how we reacted:
Cuban Missile Crisis
In October 1962, an American U2 spy plane secretly photographed nuclear missile sites being built by the Soviet Union on the island of Cuba. Because he did not want Cuba and the Soviet Union to know that he had discovered the missiles, Kennedy met in secret with his advisors for several days to...www.jfklibrary.org
fuck you're an imbecile.
zinfamous
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you're rooting for genocide, you fucking Quisling bitch.
Man do I have news for you.
Mexico already has purchased Russian arms. I must have missed our invasion in retaliation.
RnR_au
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K1052
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I guess Israel decided that they could not deny the transfer of US owned stockpiles. Which was probably a smart call.
Jaskalas
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Like saying a man with a busted shovel is not very effective at removing snow.
Meanwhile, an entire snow plow is clearing the street.
The propaganda is winning if you take into account what the United States Congress intends to do for Russia.
zinfamous
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Jaskalas
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If the Russian homeland does not burn for this war, it will just encourage more war. It will not end until Russia feels enough pain. We must either make it painful through direct action ourselves, or arm Ukraine to the point that it can return fire. Enough arms that it can stand toe to toe with Russia. Anything less encourages Russia to double down and keep throwing men at the problem until they win through attrition. Every day this goes on, with one arm tired behind Ukraine's back, the more damage Ukraine suffers without an equitable response to harm the Russian side.
We are sending a message that we will not prevent them from massacring people. Due to this message, they are counting on our meek or non response. Russia continues to double down for more.
And that prolonging of Russia's campaign for ethnic cleansing is unconscionable.
We must do better. We must give whatever it takes to go all out. We must harm Russia's thirst for this war.
Equity for Ukraine. Excessive Western caution in the supply of weapons to Ukraine is costing Ukrainian lives and fueling Russian impunity while preventing meaningful progress toward peace.
We are sending a message that we will not prevent them from massacring people. Due to this message, they are counting on our meek or non response. Russia continues to double down for more.
And that prolonging of Russia's campaign for ethnic cleansing is unconscionable.
We must do better. We must give whatever it takes to go all out. We must harm Russia's thirst for this war.
Equity for Ukraine. Excessive Western caution in the supply of weapons to Ukraine is costing Ukrainian lives and fueling Russian impunity while preventing meaningful progress toward peace.
Equity is a part of the laws of war. All countries have the right to proportionate retaliation. Without this right, international law would be powerless. It is time to stop obstructing Ukraine from applying this law.
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, the West has provided Ukraine with critical support. However, Western leaders have also limited the scope of the military aid they are prepared to provide. As a consequence, Russia been able to attack inside Ukraine with impunity while Ukraine has been severely restricted in its ability to engage in anything remotely resembling proportionate retaliation on Russian soil.
This has led to a surreal kind of war. The aggressor gets to punish the victim and wreak havoc on the victim’s terrain. The damage is limited to Ukrainian soil, while the aggressor’s own country remains virtually untouched. The current approach encourages international aggression and war crimes. It sets a dangerous precedent and needs to be reversed.
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