Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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This is fundamentally flawed because for the most part the us govt does not get the direct revenue (they get indirect via taxes) AND they do not set the prices.
 
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If true, well ...


Ex-US Marine General Among Russia's Wagner Mercenaries: Founder

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Barron's|19 minutes ago
The head of the Russian mercenary outfit Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said Friday that a former US Marine general was working for the group.


.... somebody's got a prison cell waiting.
 
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I just can't take pleasure in videos like that. Don't get me wrong, the Russians and their mercenaries are doing horrible things in Ukraine. But I can't delight in watching someone spend their last moments in agony, no matter what they've done; not even Putin, if it ever gets to that point.

For that matter... while I will fling an enthusiastic middle finger to Russian soldiers who are eager to attack Ukraine, I can't help but sympathize a bit with the reluctant ones dragged into the invasion through the draft. Imagine you're just trying to make ends meet, and suddenly you're shipped hundreds of miles away to fight a losing war you didn't really want with terrible training and sub-par (or even missing) equipment. You'd probably be frightened senseless, especially since there's a real chance you'll never see your family again.
Just follow the war closely.

Look at the aftermath of Russian occupation. Look at the horror they inflict daily with their missiles.

You will realize a fundamental truth. The Russian military is no longer human. They are not even animals. They are monsters. They gifted their souls to Satan for the glory of Putin.


You should not feel empathy for monsters.


Because we're supposed to be better than them. I want to show the basic empathy Putin and many Russian soldiers refuse to provide.

And again, this doesn't excuse any Russian who does terrible things and is otherwise enthusiastic about the invasion; I might not enjoy watching them suffer, but I won't feel sorry if they meet a painful end. I'm just thinking of the ones who are genuinely reluctant pawns in Putin's game.
Being better then them is having empathy for Dagestan's civilian population being caught in Russian tyranny without means to escape.

Being better then them is having empathy for African's civilian population being caught up in Russia famine, created to glorify Putin and pressure the world.

Being better then them is having empahty for Ukraine's civilian population, inflicted by daily terror and a genocidal plan to exterminate all of them with the Russian frost.



Russian military soldiers not reluctant pawns. They all have means to escape. They choose not to. They choose to inflict horror. They choose to inflict genocide. They choose to gift their souls to the devil. They are soulless monsters, no pawns, and not human.



Destroy the concept of the Russia. Let the federal subjects of Russia go free. They are only held together by the secret police, by horror writ mass. Put down the monster that is Russia and end the horror if its existence. Putting down the greater monster starts by putting down every monster in Ukraine.
 
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Because we're supposed to be better than them. I want to show the basic empathy Putin and many Russian soldiers refuse to provide.

And again, this doesn't excuse any Russian who does terrible things and is otherwise enthusiastic about the invasion; I might not enjoy watching them suffer, but I won't feel sorry if they meet a painful end. I'm just thinking of the ones who are genuinely reluctant pawns in Putin's game.

I must have missed the mass Russian demonstrations after their invasion of Donbass, Crimea, Georgia, etc.

Where were they last year when Putin was organizing and the Biden was warning us all?

Nowhere.

That's why they are now in trench freezing their asses off as they wait to get fragged.

They still have the option for surrender before that...
 
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That doesn't even make sense since Europe isn't even in the top 5 for US exports.

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Add to that high energy price hurts the US economy. Any money that's being made by the oil company is jsut a fraction that is being lost by the overall economy with increased prices and lowering demand. You think the US wants high inflation for the sake of oil profits?
 
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Not definitive, but is on the political backlog after certain recent events... Been seeing texts about an alliance between Central&East Asia for Siberia.
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Sentiment towards west powers are more trustworthy than a dying power. Apparently, forcing certain big power ethnics to fight in Ukraine is 100% dick move. Didn't have Russia going mafia and doing an offer you can't refuse towards Kazahkstan, China, and Japan civs.
 
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Not definitive, but is on the political backlog after certain recent events... Been seeing texts about an alliance between Central&East Asia for Siberia.
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Sentiment towards west powers are more trustworthy than a dying power. Apparently, forcing certain big power ethnics to fight in Ukraine is 100% dick move.

You have such a track record of being right on geopolitical events......
 
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You have such a track record of being right on geopolitical events......
Doesn't matter apparently Russia messed up huge this month. Basically ending any continued capability of central and east asia to have Russia as a safe neighbor. [Yeah, we definitely don't trust you after this moment.] All investments in Russia basically are null and void, that didn't get nuked by sanctions or held off. The only way to protect investments is to actually physical get it or it is just an NFT.
 
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Doesn't matter apparently Russia messed up huge this month. Basically ending any continued capability of central and east asia to have Russia as a safe neighbor. [Yeah, we definitely don't trust you after this moment.] All investments in Russia basically are null and void. The only way to protect investments is to actually physical get it or it is just an NFT.

Where are you getting this analysis from? If you're the one making the leap that Russia is going to be invaded by it's neighbors then my comment about your track record stands and it does matter because your ability to analyze data is shit.
 
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If you're the one making the leap that Russia is going to be invaded by it's neighbors..
No, this idea has been around for awhile since 2014. However, it was exclusive to China only. The most recent take is Kazakhstan, China, and Japan since they have the most assets in Russia[Siberia]. Which so far hasn't filtered out of the deep yet.

Two scenarios specific to China:
China ignores Russia's demands => Gets all assets destroyed (Kazakhstan and Siberia assets specifically)
China falls inline with Russia => Has to get involved with Ukraine and Japan. Troops in enemy territory.

China however has maneuvered to make Japan a partner rather than a threat. Which means the plan has defaulted to that of Russia will eventually attack China assets local to them. This also has gone to warm-cold conflict with Russia conscripting Chinese in Siberia. Admin regions of Siberia have been leaning towards tighter Beijing connections slowly since 2012, and aggressively in 2021+.

Kazakhstan and Japan have their own issues which spun up post-Ukraine invasion and not big on news pre-Ukraine invasion. The pot has been indicatively tipped and the group does not want to be held hostage by Russia now or later like NATO/EU is. It won't be a blitzkrieg unless the resources are in imminent danger.
 
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Just follow the war closely.

Look at the aftermath of Russian occupation. Look at the horror they inflict daily with their missiles.

You will realize a fundamental truth. The Russian military is no longer human. They are not even animals. They are monsters.

You hit the least common denominator right there of fact. But when their minds are already made up.. it's hard for them to see the truth when their mind is already filled with misconceptions.

Never become desperate enough to trust the untrustworthy.
 
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No, this idea has been around for awhile since 2014. However, it was exclusive to China only. The most recent take is Kazakhstan, China, and Japan since they have the most assets in Russia[Siberia]. Which so far hasn't filtered out of the deep yet.

Two scenarios specific to China:
China ignores Russia's demands => Gets all assets destroyed (Kazakhstan and Siberia assets specifically)
China falls inline with Russia => Has to get involved with Ukraine and Japan. Troops in enemy territory.

China however has manuevered to make Japan a partner rather than a threat. Which means the plan has defaulted to that of Russia will eventually attack China assets local to them. This also has gone to warm-cold conflict with Russia conscripting Chinese in Siberia. Admin regions of Siberia have been leaning towards tighter Beijing connections slowly since 2012, and aggressively in 2021+.

Kazakhstan and Japan have their own issues which spun up post-Ukraine invasion and not big on news pre-Ukraine invasion. The pot has been indicatively tipped and the group does not want to be held hostage by Russia now or later like NATO/EU is. It won't be a blitzkrieg unless the resources are in imminent danger.

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Two ideas with the earliest Chinese-specific and the Kazakhstan and Japan-inclusion.

1. The 2014+ discussion by analysts was a full take over of Siberia by China.
2. The most recent going around in the ring is to protect assets by all three: China, Kazakhstan and Japan. Of which, the invasion part is mostly to protect resources and existing businesses used by all three. Of which, China on average is a big importer of Siberian goods in Urals, Siberia, Far East districts. China has been operating in pro-western interests of recent. They need token western powers involved for something in the aftermath.

If there is an invasion then it would be to protect assets: Chinese/Kazakhstan/Japan business within Siberia.
The aftermath is likely to split Siberia away, while the 2014 plan was to be governed under China fully. Given the pro-western movement of China it will have to support an independent Siberian Democratic state.

However, China's business is to get Vlad's control away from Siberia. Thus less likely to suicide vest their economy like they did with Ukraine and EU and everyone else. Russia retreats from Ukraine, only to start a fight against China or Japan. Which is going to harm investments on increased exports from Siberia. Russia is completely willing to do this, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

The alliance is in the new agreements in the Kazakhstan(late September 2022 K-C) and Japan(early November 2022 J-C). Each agreement has a low key security arrangement to protect each others goods. If Russia does something to one's economy, all of them have to react to protect each economy. They are prepared for an eastern front action by Russia. It is also heavily implied they will do the actions pre-emptively. So all three will rush to get their goods secured sooner than later when they get blown up. This is collaborated with the Russian Defense Ministry pushing anti-CCP propaganda lately. They are already gearing up for the next enemy aka China.
 
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Two ideas with the earliest Chinese-specific and the Kazakhstan and Japan-inclusion.

1. The 2014+ discussion by analysts was a full take over of Siberia by China.
2. The most recent going around in the ring is to protect assets by all three: China, Kazakhstan and Japan. Of which, the invasion part is mostly to protect resources and existing businesses used by all three. Of which, China on average is a big importer of Siberian goods in Urals, Siberia, Far East districts. China has been operating in pro-western interests of recent. They need token western powers involved for something in the aftermath.

If there is an invasion then it would be to protect assets: Chinese/Kazakhstan/Japan business within Siberia.
The aftermath is likely to split Siberia away, while the 2014 plan was to be governed under China fully. Given the pro-western movement of China it will have to support an independent Siberian Democratic state.

However, China's business is to get Vlad's control away from Siberia. Thus less likely to suicide vest their economy like they did with Ukraine and EU and everyone else. Russia retreats from Ukraine, only to start a fight against China or Japan. Which is going to harm investments on increased exports from Siberia. Russia is completely willing to do this, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

The alliance is in the new agreements in the Kazakhstan(late September 2022 K-C) and Japan(early November 2022 J-C). Each agreement has a low key security arrangement to protect each others goods. If Russia does something to one's economy, all of them have to react to protect each economy. They are prepared for an eastern front action by Russia. It is also heavily implied they will do the actions pre-emptively. So all three will rush to get their goods secured sooner than later when they get blown up. This is collaborated with the Russian Defense Ministry pushing anti-CCP propaganda lately. They are already gearing up for the next enemy aka China.
Your posts are very short on links.
 
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So Ukraine has no right to self determination and no right to defend itself because the west is bad? Ukraine is asking the west for help, not Russia. Do you suppose there is a legitimate reason for that?

Edit : Look at the first post on this page which sums up Russian negotiating tactics in all their glory.

No. Rather, Ukraine was manipulated by the West in 2004 onward through the color revolution and NATO enlargement. The goal of the latter is not to give Ukraine the right to self determination but to use that as a pretext for containing Russia. That's why the U.S. has over 700 military bases and installations worldwide, and according to one of its former Presidents, the most warlike in modern history:


Around 400 of those are even used to encircle China:


Recall that when the Soviet Union fell apart, the West guaranteed that NATO would not advance one inch forward:


But the U.S. reversed that during the late 1990s, as part of aggressive policies towards other countries, prompted by Reagan's "evil empire" speech. Kennan, who actually formulated containment policies against the Soviet Union, correctly predicted that by doing so it the West would meet the ire of nationalist countries like Russia and even China:


And that's precisely what happened.

One question that wasn't answered: if NATO was meant to counter the Soviet Union, and given the fact that Russia wanted to even join NATO, then why did the U.S. insist on not only NATO enlargement but even a pivot to the Middle East through Bush, and later a pivot to Asia through Obama? Why was the U.S. and its chamchas so keen on containing not just Russia and China but even other members of BRICS and emerging markets? Might it have to do with the idea of a grand chessboard strategy


and the need to use a combination of neoconservatism (backed by American exceptionalism) and neoliberalism to make sure that other countries remain in the orbit of U.S. influence or are contained?
 

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They can defend themselves all they want, as long as they pay for it. Why should our tax dollars be sent to them? With the amount of money we have sent them, we could have ended homelessness in every part of this country.

Besides, they got themselves into this mess by deciding to be puppets for the west. Let them deal with it.

That's a notable point. Someone came up with a montage in relation to that:

 

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This is remarkably insane and is not internally consistent. (The Shah came after the Soviet Union fell apart?!)

More than anything though this shows a basic misunderstanding of sovereign debt. The US is not at all concerned about our sovereign debt levels and most of it is owned by our own citizens anyway.

Remarkably insane. Work on controlling your emotions and improving your reading comprehension.

The post is not meant to be chronological but to show various points about by argument. The Shah and his murderous police force were supported by the U.S. So was Pinochet and many more:


As for sovereign debt, the only thing you got right in your post is your last sentence. I completely agree.


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In context, the videos of war and the suffering of the Russians on the battlefield.
One must remember what the Russians already have done to the Ukrainian people. What they intend to do UNLESS they are stopped.
Well, this is what stopping them looks like. This is what it looks like to defend the Ukrainians from horrific torture, rape, slavery, and death. Russians would harm us in this way if they could.

It is our duty to get it done. To defend from invaders. It is okay if you cannot stomach watching it, we all have our limits.
But monsters moving in to slaughter people will get no mercy in my mind. In fact, I only wish we would do more to ensure they all meet a swift end and are driven back to their own borders.

Ukraine is suffering also because it was being manipulated by the U.S. Hence, the color revolution and NATO enlargement.

Russia attacked because it wanted to reverse those two things and because it knew that the U.S. and many other countries would not retaliate. That's why the West has been doing little except send aid while its citizens complain that they need the aid for themselves. That includes more Americans who are suffering economically.

Meanwhile, Russia is holding on to areas dominated by Russians because if it attempts to go beyond that it will lose support from many countries that have been neutral since, including China. Meanwhile, the U.S. has failed to coerce countries like Israel, Saudi Arabia, India, Malaysia, and Singapore to side with it.

There is also context to lack of support for both Ukraine and the U.S.: not only has it been known that the West was manipulating Ukraine (and even other countries to get rid of political leaders critical of the West and to prop up puppets favoring them), it is also led by a country that is one of the most belligerent in the world:


That's the main reason why many want to remain neutral, but at the same time have been answering back because their economies have been growing stronger:



There is one more point, but I don't know how relevant this is, but it appears that there is an unsaid belief that the West is exceptional, especially the U.S.:


and that those against them are so because they are not "European" and never will be:


That is, they are dominated only be violence and death, and with that the implication is that they are barbaric and can never be part of the West because these are part of their "culture".

The West, in contrast, follows a "liberal, post-modern life." In wonder what that means. Also, what does this actually mean about Ukraine?
 

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Two ideas with the earliest Chinese-specific and the Kazakhstan and Japan-inclusion.

1. The 2014+ discussion by analysts was a full take over of Siberia by China.
2. The most recent going around in the ring is to protect assets by all three: China, Kazakhstan and Japan. Of which, the invasion part is mostly to protect resources and existing businesses used by all three. Of which, China on average is a big importer of Siberian goods in Urals, Siberia, Far East districts. China has been operating in pro-western interests of recent. They need token western powers involved for something in the aftermath.

If there is an invasion then it would be to protect assets: Chinese/Kazakhstan/Japan business within Siberia.
The aftermath is likely to split Siberia away, while the 2014 plan was to be governed under China fully. Given the pro-western movement of China it will have to support an independent Siberian Democratic state.

However, China's business is to get Vlad's control away from Siberia. Thus less likely to suicide vest their economy like they did with Ukraine and EU and everyone else. Russia retreats from Ukraine, only to start a fight against China or Japan. Which is going to harm investments on increased exports from Siberia. Russia is completely willing to do this, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

The alliance is in the new agreements in the Kazakhstan(late September 2022 K-C) and Japan(early November 2022 J-C). Each agreement has a low key security arrangement to protect each others goods. If Russia does something to one's economy, all of them have to react to protect each economy. They are prepared for an eastern front action by Russia. It is also heavily implied they will do the actions pre-emptively. So all three will rush to get their goods secured sooner than later when they get blown up. This is collaborated with the Russian Defense Ministry pushing anti-CCP propaganda lately. They are already gearing up for the next enemy aka China.

You need to factor in the ff.

Russia and China are part of BRICS and forty countries that are set to take over the global economy. One of the major trading partners of the U.S. is China. The latter is a major trading partners of many countries in the region.

The U.S. has a military that is many times larger than those of others. It has been using that military plus foreign policies to coerce, destabilize, and intervene in various countries for decades. Freedom and democracy are facades because it will deal with whoever gives it advantages. That's why its major trading partners include not only China but even Saudi Arabia. The latter is also a major trading partner of the EU, which basically follows what the U.S. wants.

More countries have been answering back at the U.S. and want to remain neutral. During the last few decades they have also engaged in bilateral trade, forming their own economic blocs, and even slowly moved away from the dollar for not only trade but even to buy oil.

This works against the U.S., which needs ever-increasing debts to cover its spending, and that includes spending for a very expensive military. Its citizens are hopeless because their government works for the rich, and the rich earn from arms sales to other countries plus onerous foreign policies that allow them to exploit resources and cheap labor in the same. That, in turn, requires U.S.-friendly politicians and oligarchs in the same countries.