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cytg111

cytg111

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I just dont know how far Putin is willing to push this mutual assured destruction concept ... and how far the west is willing to be pushed.

Suppose he drops a little sun somewhere in Poland.
Poland screams "Article 5"
NATO goes "Yea but.. assured destruction - we cant torch the planet we just cant"

Zelenskyy was out, last night I think, begging for a no-fly zone over Ukraine, putting forth the argument that how bad does it have to get before the west acts? How many dead(civs?) - just give him the number and he will go count and raise the flag once we get to that number..
And that reminded me of a debate I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to have here - cause of perpetual knee jerk reactions "atomic war - everyone dies" - and sucking of dicks (dont know how that one factor in though).
But if you can keep the emotions at bay, it's a valid question, is it not?

What is our limit?

Little collateral civ damage
Some collateral civ damage
Huge collateral civ damage
"Accidental" nuclear disaster, Chernobyl 2.0
Public executions en mass.
Genocide.
Attacking a NATO country
No limit, Putin can do whatever the fuck he wants, including nuking.

I think most of you would say "Attacking a NATO country" - to which the exact same argument can be put forth : Are you willing to sacrifice New York, London and Berlin for an imaginary line in the sand somewhere eastern Europe Poland?

If Putin truly has the power to end all things... IS there a line?
 
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zinfamous

zinfamous

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UNCjigga said:
Speaking of Doug, THISSSS is a great interview if you were ever curious about how he got his start.

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I watched that last week. I appreciate the dude more after that, because it's all really just him, sort of accidently doing this thing that has made him successful.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Fanatical Meat said:
What is your claim here?
Are you saying RT was funded by democrats to produce negative news about democrats so the party could then blame republicans?
Surely you aren’t this stupid.
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He still hasn't come to terms with reality, alt-facts are his jam. He thinks the Russia assault on our democracy is a libtard conspiracy. straws will be grasped.
 
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dank69

dank69

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cytg111 said:
...

I think most of you would say "Attacking a NATO country" - to which the exact same argument can be put forth : Are you willing to sacrifice New York, London and Berlin for an imaginary line in the sand somewhere eastern Europe Poland?

If Putin truly has the power to end all things... IS there a line?
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We have an agreement to defend fellow NATO countries. I think we should work toward eliminating those imaginary lines but until then I'm confident we will honor that agreement when/if that day comes. We will have no choice but to roll those dice, because even if we didn't, most of the other NATO countries would anyway and the dice will be rolled for us.
 
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cytg111 said:
I just dont know how far Putin is willing to push this mutual assured destruction concept ... and how far the west is willing to be pushed.

Suppose he drops a little sun somewhere in Poland.
Poland screams "Article 5"
NATO goes "Yea but.. assured destruction - we cant torch the planet we just cant"

Zelenskyy was out, last night I think, begging for a no-fly zone over Ukraine, putting forth the argument that how bad does it have to get before the west acts? How many dead(civs?) - just give him the number and he will go count and raise the flag once we get to that number..
And that reminded me of a debate I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to have here - cause of perpetual knee jerk reactions "atomic war - everyone dies" - and sucking of dicks (dont know how that one factor in though).
But if you can keep the emotions at bay, it's a valid question, is it not?

What is our limit?

Little collateral civ damage
Some collateral civ damage
Huge collateral civ damage
"Accidental" nuclear disaster, Chernobyl 2.0
Public executions en mass.
Genocide.
Attacking a NATO country
No limit, Putin can do whatever the fuck he wants, including nuking.

I think most of you would say "Attacking a NATO country" - to which the exact same argument can be put forth : Are you willing to sacrifice New York, London and Berlin for an imaginary line in the sand somewhere eastern Europe Poland?

If Putin truly has the power to end all things... IS there a line?
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I do think it a nuclear strike is the obvious red line, as countries have been training to respond to it for decades.

The only reason there WOULDN'T be a full nuclear response in your scenario is that a single nuke is just nuts. Even if NATO doesn't respond with nukes, it would respond militarily. The Poles wouldn't just sit there and take it, they'd go "ta zniewaga krwi wymaga" and then the Twardys start to roll towards Moscow and even reluctant countries would follow.
 
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cytg111 said:
I just dont know how far Putin is willing to push this mutual assured destruction concept ... and how far the west is willing to be pushed.

Suppose he drops a little sun somewhere in Poland.
Poland screams "Article 5"
NATO goes "Yea but.. assured destruction - we cant torch the planet we just cant"

Zelenskyy was out, last night I think, begging for a no-fly zone over Ukraine, putting forth the argument that how bad does it have to get before the west acts? How many dead(civs?) - just give him the number and he will go count and raise the flag once we get to that number..
And that reminded me of a debate I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to have here - cause of perpetual knee jerk reactions "atomic war - everyone dies" - and sucking of dicks (dont know how that one factor in though).
But if you can keep the emotions at bay, it's a valid question, is it not?

What is our limit?

Little collateral civ damage
Some collateral civ damage
Huge collateral civ damage
"Accidental" nuclear disaster, Chernobyl 2.0
Public executions en mass.
Genocide.
Attacking a NATO country
No limit, Putin can do whatever the fuck he wants, including nuking.

I think most of you would say "Attacking a NATO country" - to which the exact same argument can be put forth : Are you willing to sacrifice New York, London and Berlin for an imaginary line in the sand somewhere eastern Europe Poland?

If Putin truly has the power to end all things... IS there a line?
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I really can't see him launching a nuclear strike on Poland. But there does seem to be a sliding scale, probably starting with unrestrained conventional attacks on civilian areas in Ukraine, maybe those fuel-air bombs, and maybe escalating to skirmishes with NATO forces in some way or even conventional weapons fired into a NATO member state (plausibly-denied as accidental/mistakes).

Though the latter seems like a definitive red-line, as does the use of nuclear weapons in any capacity.
 
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Putin is not going to nuke a NATO nation and if he ordered a first strike anyway the Russian military puts this to an end. Period.

Right now he's just mostly hinting that he could attack the Baltics too which I don't find too likely given the Russian situation in Ukraine.
 
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dank69

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zinfamous said:
"See, big nothingburger cocked up by the liberal MSM and delusional libtarbs to invent an enemy out of big bad Putin, who totally strategized circles around Biden. We should cooperate with Putin for Peace! See, he said exactly what he's doing! Who would know better than him?"

--@brandonbull, certainly.
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"Every Ukranian casualty is Biden's fault!"
 
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Get ready for MAGAts and GQP media to start pumping this shit.
 
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