Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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rommelrommel

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Thought Russia had an A-tier military...what is actually going on out there?

They don’t. By the early 90’s it had actually crumbled from disuse. Over the last 30 years there’s been an effort to modernize but it’s been in specific areas, fighters, air defence, and armor to some degree. The navy has also tried but there are some big gaps outside of the subs. They have an economy the size of Italy so they simply can’t afford to upgrade everything. Their elite formations are pretty good, but suffer from a shortage of guided weapons. The Syria air campaign mostly consisted of dumping dumb bombs in the desert and claiming to have hit stuff.
 

UNCjigga

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I've heard that question many times today. Hard to criticize a people putting up such a fight. Hopefully it's a strategic decision. At a minimum they had enough weapons to destroy the road into Kyiv

Giving them time to surrender / defect / abandon their posts. Also, the bridges are bombed out (I believe) and there are makeshift barriers already preventing their progress.
 

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Giving them time to surrender / defect / abandon their posts. Also, the bridges are bombed out (I believe) and there are makeshift barriers already preventing their progress.
Hopefully gives them enough time to get the flood of supplies, equipment, and foreign fighters into the field. It may become a war of attrition, but everything that gets through will put seconds back on that clock.
 

pmv

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Hate to say it, maybe the only way to stop this guy is to starve out the Russian people so they pull a Mussolini on this prick.

They did that once already, though. Largely as a consequence of performing extremely badly in a war.

Feels like we are going round in circles.

Revolution - and arguably a coup (depending on how one feels about October 1917, that still seems to be a contentious question) - another coup (failed) immediately followed by a succesful one (by Yeltsin), and now, what, another revolution? Or another coup?
 

Zorba

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They did that once already, though. Largely as a consequence of performing extremely badly in a war.

Feels like we are going round in circles.

Revolution - and arguably a coup (depending on how one feels about October 1917, that still seems to be a contentious question) - another coup (failed) immediately followed by a succesful one (by Yeltsin), and now, what, another revolution? Or another coup?
When you don't have a function democracy, coups, assassinations, and revolutions are your only choice.
 
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MrSquished

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Refugees fleeing a formal war or refugees fleeing systemic violence from gangs or their own governments: I'm not really seeing a real difference. They're both groups of people in need of sympathy, compassion, and help.
I've said it before. If the folks coming across the southern border for the exact same reasons Latinos are now, but they looked like Scandinavians, the right wingers would be helping to sneak them in
 

woolfe9998

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What really has happened is that investors are no longer willing to waste huge sums of money in the US shale fields to secure volume at a loss. The era of cheap gas that we saw is likely over for good and nobody can really change that.

Russian oil is already somewhat cut off as they are having trouble finding takers for their cargos. Who wants to buy when that tanker full of crude you paid for could be seized by the navy if things deteriorate further?

Yes all this may be a silver lining to this war. It may greatly accelerate adoption of both electric vehicles and renewables for grid power.

My larger concern is in the short term. Gas prices are already high. Voters react very badly to high gas prices. If Russian supply being cut off is going to make that substantially worse, it may impact the elections both this year and in 2024, where the future of democracy here may well be at stake. In the long term, higher gas prices is a good thing. But there may not be a long term if it happens too much now.
 
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hal2kilo

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Yeah I think if anything this shows how vulnerable armor has become to modern infantry weapons. Imagine if Ukraine had air superiority like NATO would likely have on top of this, combined with better trained, better supported troops. It would be an unmitigated slaughter.
That convoy would be a trash pile by now.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Yes all this may be a silver lining to this war. It may greatly accelerate adoption of both electric vehicles and renewables for grid power.

My larger concern is in the short term. Gas prices are already high. Voters react very badly to high gas prices. If Russian supply being cut off is going to make that substantially worse, it may impact the elections both this year and in 2024, where the future of democracy here may well be at stake.
"If a certain previous president hadn't supported Russia so strongly, we might not have seen a devastating war in 2022 resulting in these higher gas prices" *repeat everywhere*
 
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