Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Meghan54

Meghan54

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[DHT]Osiris said:
Great, when he tries to come back, send him to the Hague to stand for war crimes.
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I seriously doubt he's going to show back up in the U.S. any time soon, given the first sentence of the linked article:

"A video posted online shows former Austinite and drug trafficker on the lam praising Russian troops invading Ukraine as "liberators." The man, Russell Bonner Bentley, is seen in a video posted to Twitter in front of Russian military tanks before they invaded Ukraine's capital city, Kyiv."
 
K1052

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woolfe9998 said:
Yes all this may be a silver lining to this war. It may greatly accelerate adoption of both electric vehicles and renewables for grid power.
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The US just sold leases good for about 7GW of offshore wind for over $4B dollars. The rush into renewables is real and picking up speed.

My larger concern is in the short term. Gas prices are already high. Voters react very badly to high gas prices. If Russian supply being cut off is going to make that substantially worse, it may impact the elections both this year and in 2024, where the future of democracy here may well be at stake. In the long term, higher gas prices is a good thing. But there may not be a long term if it happens too much now.
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Yes, this is possible aren there are not really any levers to do anything about it short term. Republicans are railing against energy costs but mute when it comes to how to prevent it, because there really are no solid options. They can't MAKE companies drill for oil and gas if they don't want to. Abbott just had an event today where he reveled about high energy costs as its profitable for O&G.

In the end the only way to avoid what's going on is to decouple from fossil fuels which are subject to wild price swings as commodities. I presume Biden is going to position his infra bill in this way.
 
cytg111

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biostud said:
Because if there is one thing the last 30 years of involvement in the Middle East has told us, don't engage if you don't have an exit strategy.
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And that is exactly not the same.
For one Ukraine is HARDLY comparable with anything ME.
For another, the exit strategy here is to surrender democracy and let either the far left or far right take over.
Your strategy of playing punching bag is pretty much in line with what we're currently doing with the climate, we're passing the buck, making it our children's and their children's problem... with a sky high interest rate.

But fuck it. Not OUR problem right? Right.
 
cytg111

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dullard said:
Because then we would always have to be the guardian, for all countries, for all time. We would become the evil empire for many people in the world (people who don't think the West should control everything), generating decades of future problems. We would forever be the spender of trillions of dollars on countless wars.

Plus, holding back seems to be working. Russia isn't doing well in the war, looking weak, and the world is behind Ukraine. Let the success be successful. Then, only if needed, squash Russia once the world is fully against Putin.
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Lets fuck up Iraq and install a democracy.
Lets fuck up Afghanistan and install a democracy.
Fail fail fail fail.
But here is a country that is SCREAMING from the top of their lungs that this is what it wants.
The West: That Putin guy? Not our problem.
In terms of *damage* to the west, compare Putin to Bin Laden.
Who has done the most damage?

The West: That Putin guy? Not our problem.

But level Afghanistan to get to a few terrorists and spend a fuckton trillion dollars on it.

Yes sir.

Its some hypocritical bullshit is what it is.
 
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K1052 said:
Russian leadership is not a post that has shall we say a strong history of long and generous retirements.
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I think it's more plausible that Putin murders his entire cabinet and blames all this on them feeding him misinformation. "Honestly, I believed them when they said Ukraine was run by Nazis! Sorry, my bad!"
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Roger Wilco said:
This is nuts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498619309618503680

"Because unsecured communications, the frequencies have been constantly jammed by civilians, sometimes in the middle of fights, making the ground infantry unable to operate properly and having to withdraw."
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That is just breathtaking. I wonder if there was a lack of communication downward due to paranoia about spies or something? I cannot fathom how any member of any military could possibly expect success in such a scenario. Modern armies would get defeated by goddamned ancient Romans in a situation like that.
 
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dank69 said:
I think it's more plausible that Putin murders his entire cabinet and blames all this on them feeding him misinformation. "Honestly, I believed them when they said Ukraine was run by Nazis! Sorry, my bad!"
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I mean maybe. Must be splendid to live in a country where everybody up to the President himself has to worry about literal knives in the hands of their friends and enemies.
 
HomerJS

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cytg111 said:
Lets fuck up Iraq and install a democracy.
Lets fuck up Afghanistan and install a democracy.
Fail fail fail fail.
But here is a country that is SCREAMING from the top of their lungs that this is what it wants.
The West: That Putin guy? Not our problem.
In terms of *damage* to the west, compare Putin to Bin Laden.
Who has done the most damage?

The West: That Putin guy? Not our problem.

But level Afghanistan to get to a few terrorists and spend a fuckton trillion dollars on it.

Yes sir.

Its some hypocritical bullshit is what it is.
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Omitted the key answer to this...nukes.
 
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Homerboy

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cytg111 said:
Lets fuck up Iraq and install a democracy.
Lets fuck up Afghanistan and install a democracy.
Fail fail fail fail.
But here is a country that is SCREAMING from the top of their lungs that this is what it wants.
The West: That Putin guy? Not our problem.
In terms of *damage* to the west, compare Putin to Bin Laden.
Who has done the most damage?

The West: That Putin guy? Not our problem.

But level Afghanistan to get to a few terrorists and spend a fuckton trillion dollars on it.

Yes sir.

Its some hypocritical bullshit is what it is.
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nobody in the West is saying Putin isn't their problem.
Everyone in the West is saying Putin has 6,500 nuclear warheads.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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UNCjigga said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1498719441328164882

It isn’t coming back.

What happens to a petrostate when they can no longer export energy to the developed world??

Ask Iran. Argo Fuck Yourself, Putin.
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If Russia finds a decent offramp (dead Putin with a full withdrawal and a promise to 'redefine Russia') you might see a recovery of that country in 5-10 years. Without it, Russia is going to be a third-world nation a la Syria or Venezuela for 30 or more.
 
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