Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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Russians were primed for the Ukrainian invasion. When the state media is so pervasive, I think its hard to escape some of the emotional jingoism employed.
This is a long but excellent thread on the cultural tools used by Putin leading up to the 2014 Ukrainian shenanigans;
We're going to need more ammo.
 

kage69

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The real question is why do France and the US have military bases in these countries to begin with? You really think it is to fight ‘terrorism’? It’s the same reason why we have military bases in Syria:

So we can plunder their natural resources like the thieves that we are.

Unfortunately for you, these new coup leaders have the support of the locals, which is why NATO members are getting the boot.


I’ll let this guy explain it:


Not really, but I'll humor you. For France it's a hold over, maintenance, from their quest for prestige. For the US it's not wanting any more genocides or terrorist networks popping up, also trying to shore up allies with funds. If you had any real grasp on world politics and history you wouldn't be trying to use that as an excuse to support the 21st century Nazis of Russia. Are you still in high school or something? Have you never ventured anywhere beyond the country of your birth?

What kind of fucking moron thinks the US needs Syria... for anything? Do tell, what Syrian riches are being carted back the States, the world's largest energy/oil producer? For that matter, what kind of fucking moron thinks Russia toppling other countries is excused by African colonialism? You think the Russians are there to fight "terrorism"? lol

Affluent African politicians hire gangs and PMCs like Wagner to exterminate rivals and people they don't like, many have no problem taking warlord money long as they get a cut of diamond, cobalt, etc sales. Spare us the lecture, no American imperialists here. Looks like another feckless attempt at a point you can't twatter into existence, try again cyka. If you must puss out like a complete coward, again, maybe at least try to quote a someone?


Here's something you can try to answer and explain: which country is currently trying to destabilize Africa as much as possible in order to help divert funds and resources towards their sanction-crippled economy? Who actually needs Africa for a crutch? Do you have even the most minimal amount of honesty to acknowledge it, or is even that beyond you?
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Russians were primed for the Ukrainian invasion. When the state media is so pervasive, I think its hard to escape some of the emotional jingoism employed.

This is a long but excellent thread on the cultural tools used by Putin leading up to the 2014 Ukrainian shenanigans;

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- The amount of American Military world police literotica out there could fill libraries alone. I won't begrudge Russians their warporn fan fics (granted this is based off the first picture alone, dunno if there is something genuinely nasty in there).
 

Jaskalas

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I won't begrudge Russians their warporn fan fics
I struggle to put those into context.
On one hand, Russia's media sphere appears to have been promoting Genocide and total war against the "West" since at least 2010.
OTOH, are some fan fic writings REALLY indicative of a general populace or official state and government policy?

One of their highlighted fan fics is wishing Hitler had kept his promise to Russia and they could attack the "West" together.
Besides being total nonsense, do the Russian people really hate all of us MORE than Nazi Germany? And they've been promoting that hatred since 2010?

We would have let them keep Crimea and the Line of Contact, had they only wanted peace. The end of conflict and hostilities. Their desire for blood and Total War surprised many, but maybe these things do explain it.

 
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kage69

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Ukraine is going to produce and adopt the Bren 2. Another small but important move away from Soviet pattern arms to NATO.


Good call, that's a sweet piece.

I buy a lot of Sellier&Bellot in 9mm and 12bore, never had even a single quality issue. It all feeds like a dream, primers always works, ain't dirty and velocities are super consistent. Good for Ukraine. All ahead full on NATO specs, skip Russian caliber conversion parts for those rifles altogether. Shouldn't be much old ammo left soon afterall.

"production of large calibre ammunition from hard polymers"

Now that interests me...
 
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zinfamous

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Honestly? I think too many constituents from too many countries are too ignorant/stupid to understand what's happening. Any commitment to anything abroad will be crafted by some political opponent (paid by RU or otherwise) to be 'wasting the countries effort in foreign wars of aggression blah blah blah taxpayer blah imperialism blah blah'. Fear of political suicide by tiny balled politicians afraid of other tiny balled politicians.

It doesn't take much more than 2 or 3 special forces units with air power to wipe out every wagner cvnt on that continent. Granted, that would require a lot less subterfuge and air clearance from the locals.

Not likely to happen; but I see no real risk in a combined NATO special operation to take them out not-exactly-under the radar. WTF are Putin and any of those countries going to do about it? Not a fucking thing. It sounds crazy to me, as well, but the ends--erasing Wagner and bonus! Boko Haram/Al Qaeda--is well worth the means.
 

zinfamous

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The real question is why do France and the US have military bases in these countries to begin with? You really think it is to fight ‘terrorism’? It’s the same reason why we have military bases in Syria:

So we can plunder their natural resources like the thieves that we are.

Unfortunately for you, these new coup leaders have the support of the locals, which is why NATO members are getting the boot.


I’ll let this guy explain it:


the real question is why you are such a preposterously unread, ignorant cvnt.
 
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kage69

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I'm not aware of any US or French personnel rounding up African girls and women for a gang rape, with photo shoot to follow. That is the kind of thing Wagner does though, on top of beheadings and lots of torture. Wagner's been in CAR re enacting the end battle from Blood Diamond on any place that mines gold or diamonds, killing civilians with the same gleeful abandon they have for it in Ukraine.

So yeah, as any cyka will tell you, no different than French managing colonial backwaters or Americans flying some drones around. Thank goodness some Russian mafia backed toughguys have taken control of several countries known for poverty and corruption. That should aid stability greatly and not produce wide spread suffering and death at all.
 
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fskimospy

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What hope is there for Ukraine, once the betrayal is complete?
And if we weaken Ukraine, Russia's inevitable advance towards Poland WILL lead to greater war. Many more will die if Ukraine cannot hold the line, and they will not hold if we cut off their supplies in this war of attrition.

There will be another vote on Ukraine aid that will likely pass.
 

Ajay

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It doesn't take much more than 2 or 3 special forces units with air power to wipe out every wagner cvnt on that continent. Granted, that would require a lot less subterfuge and air clearance from the locals.

Not likely to happen; but I see no real risk in a combined NATO special operation to take them out not-exactly-under the radar. WTF are Putin and any of those countries going to do about it? Not a fucking thing. It sounds crazy to me, as well, but the ends--erasing Wagner and bonus! Boko Haram/Al Qaeda--is well worth the means.
Wagner group swelled to over 20K soldiers by the beginning of 2023 (some say 50K). Of course, their losses were insane, so probably well below 20K now. That would be allot for the 75TH ranger Battalion (though with full US assets at hand, not a problem). When SOF/Kurdish military were attacked by Wagner, Wagner was smaller, tactically terrible and we had help from above (AC-130Js?). Seals, for example, are made up of 16 personnel per unit - so no. The Rangers, now-a-days, often provide support for top tier SOF operations (and are part of SOCOM I think). Either QRF or embedded for larger OPs.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Wagner group swelled to over 20K soldiers by the beginning of 2023 (some say 50K). Of course, their losses were insane, so probably well below 20K now. That would be allot for the 75TH ranger Battalion (though with full US assets at hand, not a problem). When SOF/Kurdish military were attacked by Wagner, Wagner was smaller, tactically terrible and we had help from above (AC-130Js?). Seals, for example, are made up of 16 personnel per unit - so no. The Rangers, now-a-days, often provide support for top tier SOF operations (and are part of SOCOM I think). Either QRF or embedded for larger OPs.
That's the whole point though. You don't fight one facet of the US military, ever. You fight a full spectrum of ground troops, armor, air, anti air, cannons attached to airplanes, airplanes attached to ships, missiles with guns, guns that shoot nukes, and computers that manage the whole pile of explosions.
 

rommelrommel

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The real question is why do France and the US have military bases in these countries to begin with? You really think it is to fight ‘terrorism’? It’s the same reason why we have military bases in Syria:

So we can plunder their natural resources like the thieves that we are.

Unfortunately for you, these new coup leaders have the support of the locals, which is why NATO members are getting the boot.


I’ll let this guy explain it:


Any comments on one of your fellow peaceniks comments?

 
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fskimospy

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That's the whole point though. You don't fight one facet of the US military, ever. You fight a full spectrum of ground troops, armor, air, anti air, cannons attached to airplanes, airplanes attached to ships, missiles with guns, guns that shoot nukes, and computers that manage the whole pile of explosions.
There’s that famous case in Syria where Wagner made the mistake of trying to fight the US military. They were completely dumbfounded by how totally they were obliterated.

I think Russians and tankies like @Young Grasshopper need to understand the level at which Russia is outclassed here. Russia’s army is a JV army by American standards.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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There’s that famous case in Syria where Wagner made the mistake of trying to fight the US military. They were completely dumbfounded by how totally they were obliterated.

I think Russians and tankies like @Young Grasshopper need to understand the level at which Russia is outclassed here. Russia’s army is a JV army by American standards.
Russia's army is a JV football team compared to American standards.
 

WelshBloke

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Bud, I’m not the one boasting how great NATO is. If they are so powerful, how about setting some boots on the ground? If it is so easy to crush Russia? Put up or shut up is all I’m saying. There is a reason why they can march into Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan but WONT do the same against Russia. Think about that.


Easy to try and bully countries with no real military, but won’t dare to try and take on Russia directly. They’ll use their Ukrainian patsy’s instead, and will still get humiliated in the process.

But keep playing the usual map games where Ukraine has captured Rabotyne for the 29th time.
Oh for fucks sake. ITS BECAUSE NOONE WANTS RUSSIA!

WE DON'T WANT TO INVADE RUSSIA

WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA

WE PARTICULARLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SOLVE ALL THE MISTAKES RUSSIANS HAVE MADE WITH RUSSIA

Just stay in your lane, start making a functional country out of Russia and then maybe start making tentative international diplomatic efforts.
 

kage69

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I liked the part where he called the US "intoxicated"

That's pretty funny coming from a nation of drunks, from a guy who has drunk guests on his show from time to time. Getting your asses kicked and America hasn't even entered the chat for real yet, cyka please. What army is doing the fighting for you after you cross that nuclear Rubicon? NATO will go through you fools like a door.

Maybe Solovyov's been drinking again too. Oh Vlad, that's probably not good for your clinical depression.
 
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Ajay

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What hope is there for Ukraine, once the betrayal is complete?
And if we weaken Ukraine, Russia's inevitable advance towards Poland WILL lead to greater war. Many more will die if Ukraine cannot hold the line, and they will not hold if we cut off their supplies in this war of attrition.

You think MAGAT pubs in the House can think ahead further than a few weeks when it comes to Geopolitics? LOLZ! Nevermind considering what the next five years may look like. Thankfully, we still have non MAGATs who can, though that number is dwindling.
 
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