Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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The closest I can think of is the Defense Production Act, which allows the president to specifically order production and services from a company to be prioritized for the US government, as needed to promote the national defense, but doesn't allow actually taking over a company.
I know of that act, very vaguely at that. Maybe they can connect Musk with his friendship with Epstein and Maxwell. When you've got Putler praising Trump and Musk you know the situation is fucked
 

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I don't judge people with mental health issues. I've seen your posts before. They're not that interesting.

I guess I have to spell it out then - I don't give a shit what you find interesting, and I say that without any spite. My post history was brought up because if you're going to accuse someone of being old school, maybe don't do it in a thread where they've made hundreds of posts admiring and promoting the very systems and tactics you're trying to lecture people about.

Anyway...
 

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Sounds like, yes, UAF did take the village of Andriivka yesterday ?

Disputed initially but confirmed by General Staff later looks like.

More good news; the counter offensive continues making progress while Russians are complaining loudly of not having ammo, food, or any kind of front line rotations. Ukraine needs to start dropping pamphlets about POW safety and accommodations. Nights are getting chilly again - you know those guys are thinking about winter.
 

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I guess I have to spell it out then - I don't give a shit what you find interesting, and I say that without any spite. My post history was brought up because if you're going to accuse someone of being old school, maybe don't do it in a thread where they've made hundreds of posts admiring and promoting the very systems and tactics you're trying to lecture people about.

Anyway...
Listen you drama queen, no one is going to read through your mind numbing posts to see what these "tactics" are you speak of. You clearly give a shit because you then went on to explain your post and reasoning. Try again.
 

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David Barnea, head of Mossad, seems to indicate Israel might be why Ukraine hasn't been on the receiving end of Iranian ballistic missiles.

Speaking at an annual counterterrorism conference in Israel, Mossad chief David Barnea did not elaborate on how the supply deal was interrupted and by whom. "I have a feeling that more deals will be foiled soon," he said, again without elaborating.


Kinda figured they were but nice to see another indication an ally is making life difficult for Iran and Russia.
 
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Kinda figured they were but nice to see another indication an ally is making life difficult for Iran and Russia.
It's not surprising. A few years ago Iran managed to get two lame drones into or near Israeli airspace. Israel retaliated by hitting the manufacturing plant. Earlier this year they attacked a manufacturing plant just outside of Isfahan, likely at the behest of Ukraine and because Iran having a manufacturing plant making drones not just for Russia but for factions such as Hamas is not good. What's complicated now is there are reports but no confirmations, at least since i last checked, that Iran is helping Russia with serial production of their, Iran's, drones in Russia. Finding out the locations for those and handing it off to partisans within Russia fighting against the state and Ukraine to do as they please would assuredly limit Russia's capabilities.
 

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Unrelated to this discussion but if you recall a few days ago I asked in here, without any reply to the question, who or how Russia were getting NVidia Jettson TX2 and Xilinx Zyncro processors for use in their drones. As I was drinking my 5 AM tea this morning I happened across this article.


Short of the matter is this will help limit Russia's capabilities. hopefully. The sanctions also happen to hit nationals in these target countries. What's unsurprising is if you recall that young fucking idiot who leaked sensitive materials on some chat website a while back the US was aware of Turkey aiding Russia in their war against Ukraine while also simultaneously helping Ukraine by playing both sides. We've now gone from a government level of helping to private enterprise and well connected individuals. Most surprisingly was news I read elsewhere that included Estonia in a list in addition to Finnish companies which was remarkable to read.

US began restriction Nvidia h100etc high end MLAI capability hardware from being sold to China and now have restricted certain nations such as Saudi Arabia from buying the hardware due to their close ties to China and because it was suspected they were a middle man for China acquiring such hardware.

Some "allies"....
 

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Listen you drama queen, no one is going to read through your mind numbing posts to see what these "tactics" are you speak of. You clearly give a shit because you then went on to explain your post and reasoning. Try again.

You don't have to, but that is kind of what the forum is for. Please stop playing dumb, it's quite simply really: if you're ignorant of what I think, you don't get to lecture and judge me about what I think.

Now piss off, I'm not in the mood to give you my complete and undivided attention. If you had an actual argument you would have quoted something by now, posed a relevant challenge or at least asked for elaboration or clarification. Since you're hostile to comprehending your mistake please go seek a pissing contest elsewhere, I'd rather post about Ukraine.
 

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You don't have to, but that is kind of what the forum is for. Please stop playing dumb, it's quite simply really: if you're ignorant of what I think, you don't get to lecture and judge me about what I think.
I'm not ignorant of what you think. You expect people to know everything you've said. You don't get to lecture me either. This isn't a one way street mate.
Now piss off, I'm not in the mood to give you my complete and undivided attention. If you had an actual argument you would have quoted something by now, posed a relevant challenge or at least asked for elaboration or clarification. Since you're hostile to comprehending your mistake please go seek a pissing contest elsewhere, I'd rather post about Ukraine.
Instead of bitching and whining here you could explain yourself once you got off your high horse. The only one here who is hostile is you. You have a haughty attitude as if you're the boss around here and are God's messenger to us mortals. Or shall I call the Wambulance for you?

Grab a tissue, blow your nose, and wipe your tears lad.
 

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Ukraine's embrace of drones is nothing short of incredible, the indigenous development of specialized attacks versions makes me think they will someday be a global leader in this stuff. If they aren't already!

The Beaver drone, the various RPG and grenade carriers, the ones that help detect mines for removal, plus the big torpedo looking ones that will be sub surface attackers... I'm guessing the orc killing bonanza will continue and even accelerate.

I missed this earlier, but Ukraine's Army of Drones program has "assisted private companies in training more than 10,000 drone operators in the past year, with the goal of training an additional 10,000 over the next six months."

Made me realize, I don't think I've ever seen any numbers on Russian drone units. Anyone know? They as tapped out and miserable as the infantry?
 

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Do you think it was a matter of luck and undertrained Russians without any concept of layered defense manning the equipment and opening themselves up to attack? Should be easy going for Ukraine in a few months if they can keep this kind of pressure up and come in with aircraft later to decimate whatevers left of Russia on their land.

Since Ukraine is presently limited to available SCALP/Storm Shadow donations, whatever number of Neptunes they can build, and their domestic drone program it's probably not quite that easy right now. They could really use a larger portfolio of deep strike options. Taurus, SLAM-ER, ATACMS of various flavors, NSM/Harpoon, ER GMLRS, and GLSDB (somebody go over to Boeing-Saab and find out WTF is taking so long).

They need to kill all the S-300/400 systems they can reach, wipe out the rotary wing aviation bases on the Azov coast, and start laying into the bases in Crimea hard.
 

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Made me realize, I don't think I've ever seen any numbers on Russian drone units. Anyone know? They as tapped out and miserable as the infantry?
Now that was a good post. Now this is a good question. Russia's been leaning on the ZALA Lancet for a while now. A while back Ukrainian soldiers managed to recover one that didn't go off and successfully removed the ordinance in case there was a tamper fail safe. They found these use NVIdia Jettson TX2 and Xilinx Zynq. Both of which they should not have had access to but were through third parties. See the other post I made about a new round of sanctions against companies and individuals aiding Russia as a third party. There was talk back in June or July when that Lancet was disassembled from the Russian side that they were assembling hundreds if not thousands of those units every few weeks. There's allegedly a photo of a storage warehouse with completed Lancets waiting to be used by Russian troops. I haven't found a whole lot of videos using the Lancet, mostly because Ukraine is better at the social media game than the Russians. Lancets aren't without issue. There's some details breakdowns on Oryx.



Not the photo being referenced but one angle.

For the breakdown article, cannot find the Ukrainian MOD tweet at the moment about it that showed soldiers disassembling the Lancet.

 
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Starting them young too:

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    Jul 21, 2023July 21, 2023 The Aeromax drone training center in Moscow. Sophia Sandurskaya / Moskva News Agency Russian schoolchildren will learn the basics of combat drone flying as part of military...
 
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Since Ukraine is presently limited to available SCALP/Storm Shadow donations, whatever number of Neptunes they can build, and their domestic drone program it's probably not quite that easy right now. They could really use a larger portfolio of deep strike options. Taurus, SLAM-ER, ATACMS of various flavors, NSM/Harpoon, ER GMLRS, and GLSDB (somebody go over to Boeing-Saab and find out WTF is taking so long).

They need to kill all the S-300/400 systems they can reach, wipe out the rotary wing aviation bases on the Azov coast, and start laying into the bases in Crimea hard.
There's been murmers online about the company behind Altius which was bought out last year by Anduril making specific drone varieties for Ukraine but there's so much cloak and dagger when it comes to what is being supplied to Ukraine under that group of weapons for security reasons that it's difficult to keep track. I know there's online communities that follow these things more neatly than say a thread like this but they're very selective with whom they let in.

Given the last few explosions in Russia proper it's safe to say that earlier talk of Russia making false flag attacks on themselves to blame Ukraine were in fact possibly not false flag attacks but just how unsecure Russia proper is from attacks in the air.

To your post, I think Ukraine is trying to or attempting to use the least costliest weapons and using them efficient. As @[dht]osiris said, that Triumph attack was well executed and timed correctly to make it a very costly blow for Russia. One would think Russia would learn a damn thing or two in this war, such as their convoys being so close together but it's clear they haven't learned. If the winter is mild or ends quickly I can see Ukraine pushing Russia further back. As sanctions rain down harder on RU's partners who are our own allies fucking us and Ukraine over, we'll see the end of this war hopefully next year with Ukraine reclaiming all of its territories. I do not see Russia making any big advance anymore as they run out of the necessary hardware to make their weapons work. Be resource rich but unless you can fuse those resources together then it's a shitcan.
 

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I'm not ignorant of what you think. You expect people to know everything you've said. You don't get to lecture me either. This isn't a one way street mate.

Instead of bitching and whining here you could explain yourself once you got off your high horse. The only one here who is hostile is you. You have a haughty attitude as if you're the boss around here and are God's messenger to us mortals. Or shall I call the Wambulance for you?

Grab a tissue, blow your nose, and wipe your tears lad.

Yet you continue to prove otherwise. Drawing you a simple picture to help get you past the logical comprehension fail only makes you more delusional and petulant, strange. It's almost like I'm responding to a child. I've noticed children often consider reading a chore, unworthy of their time. Tell me, did they cover what projection is, at the school you go to? Asking for a friend.

"This isn't a one way street mate" Are you seriously this stupid? You don't understand what a point of order is, do you? You. Replied. To. My. Post. That is a one direction street you numpty gobshyte lol No one proclaimed your views to be "old school" or anything, did they? Serious question - how old are you? Am I expecting adult level comprehension from a minor? Starting to feel like it.

I am not a mod, I just take issue with liars and Russian trolls. If that rubs you the wrong way, tough. Improve your posts, leave me out of them, and you're good.
 
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Yet you continue to prove otherwise. Drawing you a simple picture to help get you past the logical comprehension fail only makes you more delusional and petulant, strange. It's almost like I'm responding to a child. I've noticed children often consider reading a chore, unworthy of their time. Tell me, did they cover what projection is, at the school you go to? Asking for a friend.

"This isn't a one way street mate" Are you seriously this stupid? You don't understand what a point of order is, do you? You. Replied. To. My. Post. That is a one direction street you numpty gobshyte lol No one proclaimed your views to be "old school" or anything, did they? Serious question - how old are you? Am I expecting adult level comprehension from a minor? Starting to feel like it.
The moment you chose to attack my character is the moment you lost this argument, mate. Either explain your reasoning or shut up.
 

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Do you think it was a matter of luck and undertrained Russians without any concept of layered defense manning the equipment and opening themselves up to attack? Should be easy going for Ukraine in a few months if they can keep this kind of pressure up and come in with aircraft later to decimate whatevers left of Russia on their land.
Probably going to be a grind till winter. Lots of orcs between the UA and critical towns and cities that need taking. Tokmak, which is key to RUA train transport will be hard to take - but a super win when the Ukrainians to take it. By winter, the UA should be receiving ATACAMs, and some precision weapons systems along with the F-16s (can SLAM-ER be mounted on Vipers?). Hardware that will shutdown the southern rail route. Not sure how much closer they need to get to take out Kerch.
 

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Probably going to be a grind till winter. Lots of orcs between the UA and critical towns and cities that need taking. Tokmak, which is key to RUA train transport will be hard to take - but a super win when the Ukrainians to take it. By winter, the UA should be receiving ATACAMs, and some precision weapons systems along with the F-16s (can SLAM-ER be mounted on Vipers?). Hardware that will shutdown the southern rail route. Not sure how much closer they need to get to take out Kerch.
There's been some whispers of Ukrainians being able to use their remaining Su aircraft if they can't get the F16s on time. The biggest hinderance for the F16 training seems to be English skills according to various reports. It hadn't occurred to me that from 2014 until the invasion last year that Ukraine hadn't yet begun teaching their soldiers and officers English due to how much cross training they were doing with western nations.
 

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I am not a mod, I just take issue with liars and Russian trolls. If that rubs you the wrong way, tough. Improve your posts, leave me out of them, and you're good.
I'm neither a liar nor pro Russian. I called your views old way because it was. We both agreed that tanks are on their way out. My original point was UCAVs such as Turkey's TB2 were proving devestating for Russia. The TB2 has been used in other wars to devastating results for those who were within its "crosshairs." The notion that Ukraine needs to move mechanized infantry en masse to overwhelm Russian troops is a dumb notion at this point. That is why I called you old school. Standoff weapons and long range artillery will be key for Ukraine, not sending kids to the meat grinder. Destroy supply routes and temporary quarters and let the RU troops in the field run out of supplies or overhwhelm them with firepower from Ukrainian troops or they surrender to Ukraine if they're smart enough. The use of missiles and drones have been very effective for Ukraine as a "low cost" option in terms of money and manpower to unequally destroy swathes of Russian equipment costing Russia millions or billions now and reducing their man power in the same go.

In no place did I insult your intelligence or "your tactical skill" whatever the fuck that is. I'll include you in my posts as I wish. You can always sign out and leave the forum.
 

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Ha, nice one Joe Biden. Remember when Egypt got caught trying to give Russia artillery shells on the sly? I wanted them to do this with Egypt and Israel, but I guess our missile deal and Mossad helping with Iranian supplies to Russia gets them a pass. Still, how you like them apples Cairo?

Goodbye $85million USD Aaaaand we're just gonna squeeze by you and hand $55million of it to Taiwan. Over human rights officially, which probably made Israel and Sa'udi Arabia both snicker.

Use it wisely Taiwan! Not a huge amount by Ukrainian standards, but 55million still buys a lot of toys.
 
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Do you think it was a matter of luck and undertrained Russians without any concept of layered defense manning the equipment and opening themselves up to attack? Should be easy going for Ukraine in a few months if they can keep this kind of pressure up and come in with aircraft later to decimate whatevers left of Russia on their land.
They're probably some of the better trained ones, shit still happens, doubly so if your opponent is backed by the biggest fuckers on the block.
 
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They're probably some of the better trained ones, shit still happens, doubly so if your opponent is backed by the biggest fuckers on the block.
Heh yep. I remember back in 08 when Russia invaded Georgia I thought this was crazy. I vaguely recalled the 91 92 S Ossetian war and the ensuing Georgian civil war. By my count and memory you would have been about 8-9 then? The world was a lot different then. Newspapers were where you got your news, the constant trend of breaking news had yet not existed and only came into play a decade later after 9/11. In 91-92 I'd been surprised that as the USSR was falling Russia decided to fuck over Georgia fueling separatism of course this was expected with the power vacuums going on. The later and shortly followed civil war blew my mind at the time. At the time I lived in the midwest but by 94 I'd moved to a place where there had been a large influx of Soviet immigrants and post Soviet immigrants from Ukraine, Russia and even Georgia. Quite a bit of Georgians actually. When those wars broke out there was no ill will here. They could not comprehend why their countrymen back home were doing such horrible things. I've only known to speak English my entire life and could only understand what they were feeling about loved ones back home.

Tracking back here, when Russia invaded Georgia in 08 I thought it was insane. Bush at the time was rather confident Georgia would get their land back. Years later in the Ukrainian fallout prior to Russia invading Crimea I figured this was the make it or break it point for the west when it came to russian aggression. At the time I remember telling people that the US will eventually go to a conventional war with Russia without risking a nuclear situation. Crazy. Is what I was told I was. We are in a proxy war with Putler. All those decades of living in fear of the Soviet Union as a child in England and the talk of nuclear weapons made me scared shitless as a kid. Well into my 20s, 30s and even 40s I stil pondered how deadly a war with Russia would be for anyone. The Chechen Wars would be a nothingburger compared to that direct war. Here we are about a decade after the Crimean invasion and we've all collectively realised Russia is run by a piece of shit little dicked dictator, the brouhaha of Russian weapons during the cold war and even modern times was overblown by Russia, we completely overestimated them and their skill and Ukraine is kicking their asses back to Moscow one day at a time doing all the work by their lonesomes and we're simply handing them the hardware to do it.

In a direct war with NATO forces? Russia would have been invaded by us in whole by now. Sorry for the long ass rant. This war has been one of the most interesting parts of my life. Even as a child we were frightened day and night by the news of the Soviets. As a child whenever we drove up to London or really any of the bigger cities to get school supplies and clothing if you heard someone speaking in Russian or Russian sounding languages you'd get chills up and down your spine. I don't think the adults at the time had the same reaction but when you're a kid and all you really know about the Soviets are they have nuclear weapons aimed at you and nuclear weapons will destroy everything and the earth itself (the latter not true) and being fed stories by your peers of obvious bullshit fed to them by their families you live in fear. When the Soviet Union fell I felt a calmness within, an unclenching if you will.

I can name a few pivotal times in my life where the world came to a standstill and changed either for the better or for the worst. It wasn't until 9/11 that same dreadful fear about the Soviets, now terrorists, came back to haunt my adult self.

I'll include a second apology for the long ass rant here.
 

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I'm neither a liar nor pro Russian. I called your views old way because it was. We both agreed that tanks are on their way out. My original point was UCAVs such as Turkey's TB2 were proving devestating for Russia. The TB2 has been used in other wars to devastating results for those who were within its "crosshairs." The notion that Ukraine needs to move mechanized infantry en masse to overwhelm Russian troops is a dumb notion at this point. That is why I called you old school. Standoff weapons and long range artillery will be key for Ukraine, not sending kids to the meat grinder. Destroy supply routes and temporary quarters and let the RU troops in the field run out of supplies or overhwhelm them with firepower from Ukrainian troops or they surrender to Ukraine if they're smart enough. The use of missiles and drones have been very effective for Ukraine as a "low cost" option in terms of money and manpower to unequally destroy swathes of Russian equipment costing Russia millions or billions now and reducing their man power in the same go.

In no place did I insult your intelligence or "your tactical skill" whatever the fuck that is. I'll include you in my posts as I wish. You can always sign out and leave the forum.

Another litany of bullshit, straw and false attribution. So weak. You aren't being intellectually honest, but no one called you pro Russian. "Your tactical skill" is a phrase you just pulled out of your ass, which is why it isn't a real quote from a post. Please, pull yourself off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge and get the fuck over it. Being able to support your argument is no vice, it's expected here.

If you can't point to posts I've made to support your argument regarding my views, all you are doing is misrepresenting someone else. Do you get it now or are you just going to project some more?

Leave the forum over a clown devoid of critical thinking? Nah, but I think you've convinced me it's been too long since I used the Ignore feature, so plonk, onto the list of losers and trolls you go I guess.
 

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Another litany of bullshit, straw and false attribution. So weak. You aren't being intellectually honest, but no one called you pro Russian. "Your tactical skill" is a phrase you just pulled out of your ass, which is why it isn't a real quote from a post. Please, pull yourself off that cross, use the wood to build a bridge and get the fuck over it. Being able to support your argument is no vice, it's expected here.

If you can't point to posts I've made to support your argument regarding my views, all you are doing is misrepresenting someone else. Do you get it now or are you just going to project some more?

Leave the forum over a clown devoid of critical thinking? Nah, but I think you've convinced me it's been too long since I used the Ignore feature, so plonk, onto the list of losers and trolls you go I guess.
More insults. Are you off your meds mate? Call 998. It's the national self-harm/mental health hotline. There's operators willing to talk with you about your bereavements in case a personal loss is making you behave this way.
 

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They're probably some of the better trained ones, shit still happens, doubly so if your opponent is backed by the biggest fuckers on the block.
Adding to the rant, what really drives home how the world changes every 10-14 years through a big pivotal movement is I got done reading an article this morning about a Marine bootcamp in Arkansas, I believe, and it was all these young enlisted who were born after 9/11. These young ones have no concept of a world before 9/11. Their drill instructors were infants or very young children during 9/11.

2010-2014 brought changes like a world where Isis existed, a major invasion by a quasi super power into a helpless at the time country rife with corruption but rapidly improving from that, to that then helpless nation driving out their occupiers after being fully invaded. Humanity has been on a tick-tock nature of major pivotal changes every decade or so.

You're a bit lucky. You were too young to understand what the Soviets were like back then, but you bore the pain of 9/11 as you were in your early 20s in 2001. Your life rapidly changed then.

Now that you are in your 40s, much like me when I turned 40 years ago, you'll ask yourself what's next on the horizon for this blue planet.