Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[K1052]

The Russians spent a million dollars to blow up this quite excellent decoy radar.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702266466723078618

 

[rommelrommel]

What type tanks would be more interesting for me to know.

I they’re “deep modernisations” of the T-72, T-80, and some new T-90 mixed in.

 

[K1052]

I they’re “deep modernisations” of the T-72, T-80, and some new T-90 mixed in.

Yea plus some clean ups of better condition T-55 and T-62.

 

[K1052]

Doesn't seem like that's going back to sea ever unless they decide to scuttle it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702363787032981685

 

[Indus]

This is just a friendly reminder that the United States defeated Iraq within 4 days of Operation Desert Sabre, and within a month and a half of Operation Desert Storm, during the First Persian Gulf War.

Later the Second Gulf War (agree with it or not) was started on March 20th and Baghdad was captured by April 9th.

Iraq was, at the time of the invasions, a more militarily capable force than Ukraine was at the start of the Russian invasion.

Russia has already lost their conflict, now it's just a question of how badly they want to lose.

Russia apparently wants to make it their own Vietnam.

 

[Jaskalas]

Two news bits.
First, Romanians are forced into shelters as debris, bombs, and drones rain down into NATO territory as Russia desperately keeps attacking food storage and transport on the Danube river. Russia does not cease its relentless bombing of food transport out of Ukraine. Even if it means bombing adjacent parts of NATO.

Second, last year over the Black Sea, Russia fired two missiles to destroy a UK surveillance plane over international waters. First missile missed, second missile misfired.

RATTLE: Russian drone attacks force Romanians into underground shelters... Emergency alerts on NATO territory... JET TRIES TO SHOOT DOWN UK PLANE...​

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Unless they overtly do something to force the matter, Joe can't do anything until next November.

And they know that.

 

[Ajay]

Yes, I guess they are do have a variation in thickness but it's basically a plate.
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The 104 was really designed to be a high speed interceptor - when it wasn't trying to murder it's pilots on landing and takeoff. Here's the best pic of the F-15 wing I could find with a short image search.


Not the best shot, but the top of the wing is convex and the bottom is flat to a bit concave (just a bit from other pics). If I made it to last Saturday's airshow, I would have refreshed my memory. Then there is the typical taper from the fuselage to the wing tip. Not like the 104 at all.

 

[kage69]

Yes, I guess they are do have a variation in thickness but it's basically a plate.
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I always heard landings in those were no fun, a white knuckle affair due to it needing to stay up around 200knots. Germans lost a lot of pilots in those IIRC.

 

[kage69]

Protecting Russian forces by turning off Starlink, supporting CCP propaganda over Taiwan to keep Tesla going - Elon is on a roll. Leave no fascist dick unpolished! To hell with my friends starting wars that get hundreds of thousands of people killed, I've got businesses to save.
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I think China saw how easy it was for Putin to scare Musk, so they did some leaning of their own.

What a tit. He can have his personal opinions about world politics, that's fine, but being a functional tool for dictators? Yeah should just go and nationalize Starlink maybe. Watch it hit the anticipated 20million users once he and his twitter effect are out of the picture (rather than the 1 million users now).

 

[Ajay]

Well - guess all the preppers are squared away /s

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701931447961948169

 

[A///]

Military jets tend not to have airfoils for their wings, it's just flat plate so the lift you get it low speeds is very small. Add to that their smaller wing areas and they are good at gliding. They count on their massive engines to keep them flying.

Airfoils are what the general leading edge shape of the wing designed to slice through the air or guide air? I presume they don't have flaps either.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Ukraine struck another S-400 site in Crimea. Nabbing at least one TEL, some stored missiles, and possibly damaging its radars.

Bonus chunky Russian dude who photographed the site last year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702289255035228288

Thank you comrade....

 

[Ajay]

Airfoils are what the general leading edge shape of the wing designed to slice through the air or guide air? I presume they don't have flaps either.

They have flaps. Takeoffs and landings would be a bitch without.

 

[you2]

Funny how the ‘free speech absolutist’ keeps bending over for the world’s worst regimes while attacking western countries for their illiberalism.

Just fine he was fine with folks tracking planes as long as it wasn't his plane then it wasn't ok.

 

[kage69]

Sorry Elon, but this still needs more red. You shouldn't prolong the inevitable when people are dying.

https://imgur.com/rrSHdRe

Damn fine job for a country with no real Naval assets. We should see tire protected Russian vessels soon I imagine.

 

[K1052]

Originally I thought that the Russians could sustain Crimea if they lost the bridge but down 2 of their 8 amphibious ships that's getting to be a taller order.

Also nuclear war appears to have yet again not broken out when the Russians lose expensive hardware in embarrassing ways.

 

[A///]

Russia apparently wants to make it their own Vietnam.

Afghanistan not ring a bell?

The Soviets made Vietnam a living hell for the west. We made Afghanistan a living hell for them. And now we're doubling down by making Ukraine a living hell once more for them.

 

[A///]

Damn fine job for a country with no real Naval assets. We should see tire protected Russian vessels soon I imagine.

You're thinking old school. In the advent of the new era you hardly need tanks planes or ships when you can rely on cheaper launch by distance guided weapons improbable to jamming thanks to western tech and you can rely on cheap drones makeshift or manufactured to rain hell on enemy soldiers.

 

[A///]

Can one of you military folks explain to me this Triumph system Ukraine blew up with missiles and drones? What kind of shit system is it that costs 1.2B USD and still can't fucking intercept jack shit?

Or was it 1.2B rubles?

 

[Zorba]

Wait what? military planes still have air foils, but the wing loading (depending on the role/design) is optimized for different things. A straight line interceptor like the F-104 is optimized for straight line speed to intercept and has thin wings for correspondingly lower drag and better speed. As a result it also has dogshit low speed performance. Thinner wings mean smaller fuel storage and shorter range (hence the need for external tanks).

A multirole fighter/ground attack plane needs better low speed performance and speed isnt quite as imperative so the wing loadings are lower and the foil provides more lift, facilitating higher combat loadings and (depending on the design) increasing maneuverability.

IIRC, the F-104 had a supersonc airfoil, so beyond being thin, it also had a sharp leading edge. But still not a flat plate.

 

[Zorba]

Doesn't seem like that's going back to sea ever unless they decide to scuttle it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702363787032981685

@pcgeek11 does it make you sad that other people are getting to blow holes in Russian ships and subs? (Without you, that is)

 

[kage69]

You're thinking old school. In the advent of the new era you hardly need tanks planes or ships when you can rely on cheaper launch by distance guided weapons improbable to jamming thanks to western tech and you can rely on cheap drones makeshift or manufactured to rain hell on enemy soldiers.

Not at all, I just understand that hitting a stationary vessel at berth for maintenance is a lot easier than trying it on one underway, at sea, with a full crew (certainly one submerged). Still impressive achievements though. Just don't let Ukraine's measure of audacious success get you thinking the basics don't apply anymore. Still plenty of Black Sea out of reach for the Ukrainians. Things like NATO Rivet Joint data are quite helpful, I wouldn't consider that a 'hardly need' kind of thing personally.

For some things it's not about reach or precision either. I mean, would you like to explain how one holds ground with cheap drones? What precise missiles do we use for perimeter defense? Heavy tanks are on the way out, but we still need armor. With the distances involved in naval warfare we won't see ships becoming obsolete anytime soon. Still a lot of drone advances need to happen before we even get close to what you are pointing at, way off in the distance.

"Old school" doesn't mean outdated it should be noted. See cheap naval mine.

 

[A///]

Not at all, I just understand that hitting a stationary vessel at berth for maintenance is a lot easier than trying it on one underway, at sea, with a full crew (certainly one submerged). Don't let Ukraine's measure of audacious success get you thinking the basics don't apply anymore. Still plenty of Black Sea out of reach for the Ukrainians.

Or would you like to explain how one holds ground with cheap drones? Heavy tanks are on the way out, but we still need armor. With the distances involved in naval warfare we won't see ships becoming obsolete anytime soon. Callin it a little soon there bud.

Ukraine has hit ships at sea, too. You seem to forget this. Drones don't need to be multi million dollar units we deploy ourselves. You may want to do some reading up on newcomers to the market that are snapping up DOD contracts like wildfire. Alongside UK and Aus governments. Creating fear in the enemy is enough for them to constantly ponder and look up opening themselves up to fuck ups in the field that get them within crosshairs or easy to eliminate in other ways.


Send out loitering munition drones with a high range which exist and which are deployed in ukraine, they find a target, nose dive and cut the engine in waves to minimise noise. Boom. Bus of troops, tanks, heavy anti air gone within seconds. Price per unit is going to be cheaper than risking troops or your own heavy hardware.

It took forever for the administration to grow some balls and send cluster munitions to Ukraine. Cheap, effective, and will litter Ukrainian fields with future Russian origin fertilizer. There's a news site out of Virginia that caters to easy to digest news. defensenews. You can query drone on there and read up about the advanced. 5-50K per shot/kill loitering drones and ucavs under $3m are the new era of weaponry. Reducing risk to soldiers on the ground and minimising the loss of more expensive equipment made to achieve the same or similar result.

 

[Ajay]

IIRC, the F-104 had a supersonc airfoil, so beyond being thin, it also had a sharp leading edge. But still not a flat plate.

Yeah, it's a very thin bi-convex wing. Also, almost stupidly short. That's what happens while breaking Mach 2 in a self propelled fighter jet in the mid 50's.