Rush Limbaugh is a Big Mean Idiot

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

Prove it.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

When did he vote against it? He voted Yea on 2005's H.R. 810 ("Stem-Cell Research/Vote on Bill to Expand Embryonic Stem-Cell Research"), and also voted to override President Bush's veto of the same bill. What the hell are you talking about?

I called him on it earlier and he disappeared. Hey, wait a minute ...... I think we may be onto something here!!!!

Sounds like Cardin could hardly be more pro-choice and pro-stem cell research. Is Pabster outright wrong, or is there some basis for what he said?

Given his history, I bet its the former and he just figured we'd believe him. He's dumber than we thought.

 

[UberNeuman]

This is the little ditty that Papshmir is hooking his claim on:

Alternate Stem Cell Research Methods

The catch is that the votes weren't against embryonic stem cell research - but that'll never keep the dis-honest Right from twisting it around into something it's not....

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
I've seen that claim several times now. To borrow one of Profs tricks, Proof?????

Read it and weep.

The bill numbers are right there if you want to get in-depth about it and see how other people voted.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Pens1566
I've seen that claim several times now. To borrow one of Profs tricks, Proof?????

Read it and weep.

The bill numbers are right there if you want to get in-depth about it and see how other people voted.

Further proof that you can't read.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Further proof that you can't read.

I'll assume you are naive enough to believe I don't realize the link I posted is the same as a previous poster; However, I did so intentionally. No one wants links to blog posts or forums, so it is the most appropriate one for this case.

And it sounds like someone else needs to read, because Cardin's vote was against stem cell research. You just can't spin it, try as you might.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Further proof that you can't read.

I'll assume you are naive enough to believe I don't realize the link I posted is the same as a previous poster; However, I did so intentionally. No one wants links to blog posts or forums, so it is the most appropriate one for this case.

And it sounds like someone else needs to read, because Cardin's vote was against stem cell research. You just can't spin it, try as you might.

As MJF supports Cardin's push for embryonic stem cell research, which Cardin has done, this makes you look rather stupid....

 

[DealMonkey]

Senate Bill S.2754.

Check it out - it was introduced by Rick Santorum. Hilarious. Santorum for stem cell research! What an obvious ploy by the Senate GOP. The bill died in the house.

House votes nay on bill.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Pens1566
I've seen that claim several times now. To borrow one of Profs tricks, Proof?????

Read it and weep.

The bill numbers are right there if you want to get in-depth about it and see how other people voted.

Ridiculous. That legislation was to limit NIH stem-cell research to that using adult cells and existing embryonic lines. It was sponsored in the Senate by Rick Santorum of all people (I guess Frist was busy).

This is typical intellectually hollow conservative dissembling - weak weak stuff.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Pens1566
I've seen that claim several times now. To borrow one of Profs tricks, Proof?????

Read it and weep.

The bill numbers are right there if you want to get in-depth about it and see how other people voted.

The bill looks as though it includes restrictions. Cardin looks to support any and all stem-cell research (and every single pro-abortion stance) possible.

 

[DealMonkey]

That bill was a useless pile of crap when introduced. It offers no new money at all; the research it ?supports? is already eligible for funding. It's pure political cover for Santorum and nothing else.

 

[umbrella39]

Not surprising to see the usual suspects spouting their stupidity in this thread. There are lots of Dr. Frists in the house. :roll:

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Strk
MJF supports stem cell research and would like to see people in office who will vote for it, so what? He can't support candidates? It is an emotional ad -- deal with it. You see loads of them. How is this any different than any number of other ads that play on our emotions -- whether it be fear, pity or compassion?

You can't have it both ways. Don't put that first quote in your sig if you can't deal with criticism of MJF.

Care to elaborate? I'm asking you to support your claims. I have no issues with the ads with MJF nor any other as long as it's truthful..

That's just it, it's NOT truthful. Anyone with an IQ over 50 ( I know, this excludes many libs in this forum) can see that the commercial is implying that republicans don't care about finding a cure. Despite the fact that MJF most likely DID go off his meds for the commercial (after all, he admitted doing the EXACT same thing at the senate hearings in his book), the fact that he has parkinson's does NOT give him a free pass to state untruths when it comes to commercials like this.

 

[TheAdvocate]

the fact that he has parkinson's does NOT give him a free pass when it comes to commercials like this.

Quite possibly THE stupidest thing ever written on this forum, and that's really saying something given how lowbrow it usually is.

Congratulations. Though it's often that ideologues spout insanely stupid groupthink comments such as this, you've dug a new low for your ilk.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Strk
MJF supports stem cell research and would like to see people in office who will vote for it, so what? He can't support candidates? It is an emotional ad -- deal with it. You see loads of them. How is this any different than any number of other ads that play on our emotions -- whether it be fear, pity or compassion?

You can't have it both ways. Don't put that first quote in your sig if you can't deal with criticism of MJF.

Care to elaborate? I'm asking you to support your claims. I have no issues with the ads with MJF nor any other as long as it's truthful..

That's just it, it's NOT truthful. Anyone whith an IQ over 50 ( I know, this excludes many libs in this forum) can see that the commercial is implying that republicans don't care about finding a cure. Despite the fact that MJF most likely DID go off his meds for the commercial (after all, he admitted doing the EXACT same thing at the senate hearings in his book), the fact that he has parkinson's does NOT give him a free pass when it comes to commercials like this.

The commercials are against two candidates who are strongly opposed to embryonic stem-cell research (not simply federal funds). The candidates just happen to be Republican. You need to loosen up your tinfoil hat. It's funny, doctors keep saying MJF was acting exactly like someone with the disease who is on medication.

Rush Limbaugh may have spent a lot of time with doctors, but that doesn't suddenly make him one. It sure as hell doesn't make you one either.

MJF has also campaigned for Republicans, including Arlen Specter.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

the fact that he has parkinson's does NOT give him a free pass when it comes to commercials like this.

Quite possibly THE stupidest thing ever written on this forum, and that's really saying something given how lowbrow it usually is.

Congratulations. Though it's often that ideologues spout insanely stupid groupthink comments such as this, you've dug a new low for your ilk.

Don't worry--still plenty of time before the election for him to top even that (and I'm sure he will)

 

[Jaskalas]

He appeared worse off in a political campaign add than ever witnessed before, even recently. It IS fairly suspect. While I feel sorry for him, playing politics is nasty business and no one should be surprised when they come out of it with dirty hands and controversy.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
He appeared worse off in a political campaign add than ever witnessed before, even recently. It IS fairly suspect. While I feel sorry for him, playing politics is nasty business and no one should be surprised when they come out of it with dirty hands and controversy.

"Worse off" is all relative:

1) Take Meds: Be stiff as a board and be able to barely speak

2) Don't take Meds: Be able to speak much better, but move around in erratic fashion, tremor, and other oddities

MJF has been wronged in this controversy, even Rush knows it and has recanted. Now will the rest of the Rush sympathizers stepdown as well?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
He appeared worse off in a political campaign add than ever witnessed before, even recently. It IS fairly suspect. While I feel sorry for him, playing politics is nasty business and no one should be surprised when they come out of it with dirty hands and controversy.

He really does have Parkinson's, and I've seen him in worse shape that he appears on the ad. How is it "fairly suspect?" A video ad is supposed to make a point. Even if you assume he was worse than he is at other times, he's making a true statement of his personal beliefs and the position on the issue of the candidates his ad supports.

The only one who's "suspect" in any way is Limp Dick Limbaugh. If he wanted to do a little truthful advertising, he could always do ads for Viagra or Oxycontin, or he could wear Trojans on his swolen head.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
He appeared worse off in a political campaign add than ever witnessed before, even recently. It IS fairly suspect. While I feel sorry for him, playing politics is nasty business and no one should be surprised when they come out of it with dirty hands and controversy.

"Worse off" is all relative:

1) Take Meds: Be stiff as a board and be able to barely speak

2) Don't take Meds: Be able to speak much better, but move around in erratic fashion, tremor, and other oddities

MJF has been wronged in this controversy, even Rush knows it and has recanted. Now will the rest of the Rush sympathizers stepdown as well?

Well you need to understand that the "right's" position is that the sick are to be NOT seen and NOT heard...just do the noble thing and fsck off and die, as it's "obviously" gods will that they're in the condition they're in (in which case, how dare we interfere by trying to cure anything)

 

[ProfJohn]

An update on the FACTS of the story
Here is the OP

Originally posted by: HomeAppraiser
Rush Limbaugh today accused Michael J. Fox, actor and Parkinson's Disease victim, of deliberately going off of his meds to appear on camera with exaggerated symptoms of his disease for dramatic effect. Fox appeared in a recent Clair McHaskill (D-MO) Senate campaign ad, touting the need for stem cell research. Limbaugh even goes so far as to accuse Fox of faking his symptoms all together.

Here is the Rush line in question

"I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."

Here is a quote from Fox's own book "Lucky Man"

"I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease and the urgency we as a community were feeling be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling,"

So what Rush said was 100% TRUE. He does go off his medicine and he does so in order to illustrate what Parkinson's is really like. Here is a link to Fox's own web site, search for "subcommittee" and you will see the statement. Link

Here is a video where Fox himself says that he was off his medicine Fox video
The quote right from Fox "I didn't take it deliberately as some kind of theatrical thing but it seemed right for me to be -- to be uncomfortable in that situation."

So what Rush said and those who defended him (myself) are in the right here. Fox was most likely off his medicine when he filmed that ad. And he did it for theatrical effect.

Looks like a dozen or so of you owe me and Rush an apology, I'll be waiting...

BTW: On Fox and the meds thing: There is nothing wrong with Fox going off the meds for dramatic effect. My objection is that Fox has turned the search for a cure into a political battle. He might as well be saying "Vote for McHaskill if you want me to be cured, vote for Tallent if you don't want a cure." Which is very dishonest.

 

[Pabster]

Of course Rush was right. Fox's own words damn him.

Don't look for the liberal hacks here to apologize.

 

[UberNeuman]

So, Pabster - what stage and treatments are your mother and aunt at now? And have you spoken to your Doctor about this as well?

 

[DealMonkey]

Even if, and this is still an if at this point, MJF did go off his meds to show what Parkinson's is really like, so what? Commercials and ads, by their very nature, seek to communicate effectively in short periods of times. What better dramatic example than to show a Parkinson's patient in the full effect of his disease. Thankfully, Americans are smart enough to recognize that the GOP is bringing ideology and religion into the stem-cell debate and the party stands in the way of medical research, not in favor of. Santorum's weak-ass do-nothing bills notwithstanding. It's a damned effective message by showing the reality of Parkinson's contrasted against the GOP's religious objection to embryonic stem cell research. Congrats GOP, you reap what you sow! And all the bitching and whining you're doing is because you're being slapped in the face with the reality of your infusing religion with politics.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
An update on the FACTS of the story
Here is the OP

Originally posted by: HomeAppraiser
Rush Limbaugh today accused Michael J. Fox, actor and Parkinson's Disease victim, of deliberately going off of his meds to appear on camera with exaggerated symptoms of his disease for dramatic effect. Fox appeared in a recent Clair McHaskill (D-MO) Senate campaign ad, touting the need for stem cell research. Limbaugh even goes so far as to accuse Fox of faking his symptoms all together.

Here is the Rush line in question

"I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."

Here is a quote from Fox's own book "Lucky Man"

"I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease and the urgency we as a community were feeling be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling,"

So what Rush said was 100% TRUE. He does go off his medicine and he does so in order to illustrate what Parkinson's is really like. Here is a link to Fox's own web site, search for "subcommittee" and you will see the statement. Link

Here is a video where Fox himself says that he was off his medicine Fox video
The quote right from Fox "I didn't take it deliberately as some kind of theatrical thing but it seemed right for me to be -- to be uncomfortable in that situation."

So what Rush said and those who defended him (myself) are in the right here. Fox was most likely off his medicine when he filmed that ad. And he did it for theatrical effect.

Looks like a dozen or so of you owe me and Rush an apology, I'll be waiting...

BTW: On Fox and the meds thing: There is nothing wrong with Fox going off the meds for dramatic effect. My objection is that Fox has turned the search for a cure into a political battle. He might as well be saying "Vote for McHaskill if you want me to be cured, vote for Tallent if you don't want a cure." Which is very dishonest.

Pathetic attempt to make his comments look like they were something innocent.. like just a casual stating of fact.. BULLSHIT

He made the stement to be derogatory.. and YOU know it..

what a joke.. nice to see you defend the drug addict who said all drug addicts should go to prison