Rush Limbaugh is a Big Mean Idiot

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
What the hell does that have to do with bloated gas bag limbaugh slandering MJF? There is a distinct difference between adult stem cells and embryonic, you have to be just a simpleton, partisan hack to claim that dems don't know that.
Have a swell goosestepping day.

You are either naive, ignorant, or both.

My point is that MJF and company are advocating embryonic stem cell research, which has provided no results. Adult stem cells have, and continue to, and are a far more viable (and morally correct-IMHO) resource.

And perhaps the most telling is that MJF has an ad for Ben Cardin who actually voted against stem cell research. Now who is playing the sheeple for fools?

Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

Advantages: They are
Flexible: They have the potential to make any body cell.
Immortal: One cell line can potentially supply endless amounts of cells with carefully defined characteristics.
Easily available: human embryos can be obtained from fertility clinics.

Disadvantages: They could be
Difficult to control: The method for inducing the cell type needed to treat a particular disease must be defined and optimized .
At odds with a patient's immune system: It is possible that transplanted cells would differ in their immune profile from that of the recipient and so would be rejected.

Adult stem cells:
Advantages: They are
Already somewhat specialized: Inducement may be simpler.
Immune hardy: Recipients who receive the products of their own stem cells will not experience immune rejection.
Flexible: Adult stem cells may be used to form other tissue types.
Mixed degree of availability: Some adult stem cells are easy to harvest and others, such as neural (brain) stem cells, can be dangerous to the donor.

Disadvantages: They could be
Minimal quantity: They are difficult to obtain in large quantities.
Finite: They don't live as long in a culture as embryonic stem cells.
Genetically unsuitable: The harvested stem cells may carry genetic mutations for disease or become defective during experimentation.
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Also, it seems that most of the treatment done to Parkinson's was done with embryonic stem cells, I wonder why the doctors would choose those over the adult? I don't know, but the researchers/doctors must have a specific reason. And before you get your panties in a wad AGAIN, I said most, not all, most.

And if you want to revert to name calling, I can hop along with you billy, why in the hell would you defend limbaugh, unless of course you're just a pandering, knee-pad wearing, gop shill with no spine and no soul. In other words an ass.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

but.... but... jimmy did it, so that's ok if rushy does it.. right. Where's your link for this accusation sparky?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pabster
My point is that MJF and company are advocating embryonic stem cell research, which has provided no results.

Of course there's been "no results", you and your hero have banned the work and research.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

So when does Rush next play Yuk Yuk's?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

But... but... but... comedians are supposed to funny. Rush is about as funny as a turd in the punchbowl.

Oops -- didn't mean to offend any turds.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

And a very poor comedian at that. :thumbsdown:

 

[Termagant]

A counter ad with baseball players and celebrities including the Christian Right's darling Jim Caviezel will be aired tonight. The ad is against Missouri Amendment 2 and the argument is that the amendment legalizes human cloning.

Presumably Jesus will also tell us why it is better to throw away fertility clinic embryos as opposed to using them for research.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

He's a good comedian. I know he's serious about his political views and that's a big part of his show too...but he's there for entertainment.

 

[Pens1566]

Well, if Jesus says it ...... it must be true.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

I've seen that claim several times now. To borrow one of Profs tricks, Proof?????

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

He's a good comedian. I know he's serious about his political views and that's a big part of his show too...but he's there for entertainment.

he's there for entertainment as much as bulimia is there for losing weight.

 

[NeoV]

I like to see some details of what it was that he voted against

Pabster, how about getting a clue yourself about the differences between embryonic and adult stem cells?

How is research on adult stem cells any more 'moral' than research on embryotic cells - WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE BE DISCARDED? There is a complete and utter campaign of disinformation that Bush and Co. have apparently done a remarkable job on, seeing as how well informed people such as you claim to be can make statements that are simply, factually, wrong.

Read this link, then tell me if you know more than these people do, and if you try to say "bah, they are all left-wing hired people", then that pretty much ends the need to debate any issue with you.

http://www.aau.edu/research/StemCell2.21.01.html

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pabster
My point is that MJF and company are advocating embryonic stem cell research, which has provided no results.

Of course there's been "no results", you and your hero have banned the work and research.

You got a link for that? My understanding is that it is NOT banned, rather government funds can't be used for it. That's a big difference.

I keep hearing that our drug prices are so high, not because of profits but because of the high cost of R & D. So, let the drug companies do the R & D on it.

Fern

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I've heard many comedians make fun of MJF and say a lot "meaner" things about him than Rush did. I didn't see any articles about that posted here.

So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

He's a good comedian. I know he's serious about his political views and that's a big part of his show too...but he's there for entertainment.

he's there for entertainment as much as bulimia is there for losing weight.

I stand corrected. What I should have said is that Rush is nothing but a JOKE!!

 

[ITJunkie]

At least MJF went off his meds for a time. I doubt Rush can say the same.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pabster
My point is that MJF and company are advocating embryonic stem cell research, which has provided no results.

Of course there's been "no results", you and your hero have banned the work and research.

You got a link for that? My understanding is that it is NOT banned, rather government funds can't be used for it. That's a big difference.

I keep hearing that our drug prices are so high, not because of profits but because of the high cost of R & D. So, let the drug companies do the R & D on it.

Fern

Allow me to plagerize from another thread, the reason the government needs to do this is drug companies make most of their profits on treatments for disease not cure. When you have treatments there is a constant demand for your product.

 

[zinfamous]

I work with stem cells. No one, who has any experience or actual knowledge of what the data on stem cell research is, will ever claim that adult stem cells are more useful than embryonic. In fact...adult es cells are roundly considered useless within the field. Simply, there is no quicker way to transfer genetic information from one mammalian organism to another (in mice and other rodents) than by producing chimeric organisms from es cells. This may not mean anything to the righties, but that is not surprising. For the large part, they are incapable of forming an objective opinion that is not spoon-fed to them from the talking points of whatever weekly wacked-out fundie blogger they happen to be reading.

Stem cell research has not been banned. Such an act would doom the US into the fringes of scientific research for decades to come, and make us a joke in terms of world credibility. (Well, we are already well on our way...but it would be more so). Dubya signed a bill preventing federal funding for stem cell research, and banning the production of any new lines of human es cells. The 17 or so currently being used are mostly tainted...about 3 are actually useable. They also have a shelf life. Most have passed their expiration date, and the rest will be unusable within 3 years. Bush was in no way seeking the middle ground on his proposal. He seeks to ban such research. Luckily, most of the largest private donors have ponied up and much research can still be done...just not paid for by the feds. Again, the educated are left to fend for themselves in this fascist neo-theocracy.

Bottom line, if you're getting your science information from a politician, (right or left) then you're an idiot. In what way has any of this administration's science-based policies resembled anything approaching sound scientific method or reasoning? Science will be exploited by zealots or others seeking power (on either side) just as any other discipline will. Is Parkinson's disease an apt topic to discuss concerning es cell research? Absolutely. How about Alzheimer's disease? Hell no! While I am glad to see the reagans (talk about criminals) calling out the administration and appealing to the heartstrings of the ignorant throngs of neo-cons by evoking the spirit of "the great Reagan" in support of stem cells, there is absolutely no application for stem cell research regarding alzheimer's disease. The problem with politicians is that to them, negative data means no data...these are the horribly naive talking points that all the idiots who listen to them jump on. It doesn't matter that they have no business understanding real research; as long as they can interpret it how they wish, they should be able to shape economic policy based on their own uninformed idiocy. So...I'm glad that the "holiest" of the neocons, grand-puba reagan's family, are rallying to the stem cell cause to spread awareness. Am I happy that they are mis-representing the use of and validity of the research? Absolutely. All it does is serve to further confuse the allready mis-informed masses. How can any layman expect to form a valid argument on this subject when they are made so ignorant of the realities of the field by those that choose to exploit it?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
What the hell does that have to do with bloated gas bag limbaugh slandering MJF? There is a distinct difference between adult stem cells and embryonic, you have to be just a simpleton, partisan hack to claim that dems don't know that.
Have a swell goosestepping day.

You are either naive, ignorant, or both.

My point is that MJF and company are advocating embryonic stem cell research, which has provided no results. Adult stem cells have, and continue to, and are a far more viable (and morally correct-IMHO) resource.

And perhaps the most telling is that MJF has an ad for Ben Cardin who actually voted against stem cell research. Now who is playing the sheeple for fools?

I should have quoted the above ignorance in my post. ummm...touche' ?
best not to call out someone else as being ignorant when you are so full of it. And just what do you mean by no data to support es cells? Who told you that adult stem cells are better?

There is, in fact copious amounts of actual science-based data (you know...the peopel that actually do the research), to reject everything you have been told about our field (and have so graciously failed to read about on your own within legitimate resources).

Do yourself a favor and perform a pub-med search on the subject. I take it that you don't have access to an educational server (you exhibit a profound lack in this department), so you would only be able to access abstracts. If you really want to know the facts, then I can help you out further if you so desire.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
What the hell does that have to do with bloated gas bag limbaugh slandering MJF? There is a distinct difference between adult stem cells and embryonic, you have to be just a simpleton, partisan hack to claim that dems don't know that.
Have a swell goosestepping day.

You are either naive, ignorant, or both.

My point is that MJF and company are advocating embryonic stem cell research, which has provided no results. Adult stem cells have, and continue to, and are a far more viable (and morally correct-IMHO) resource.

And perhaps the most telling is that MJF has an ad for Ben Cardin who actually voted against stem cell research. Now who is playing the sheeple for fools?

I should have quoted the above ignorance in my post. ummm...touche' ?
best not to call out someone else as being ignorant when you are so full of it. And just what do you mean by no data to support es cells? Who told you that adult stem cells are better?

There is, in fact copious amounts of actual science-based data (you know...the peopel that actually do the research), to reject everything you have been told about our field (and have so graciously failed to read about on your own within legitimate resources).

Do yourself a favor and perform a pub-med search on the subject. I take it that you don't have access to an educational server (you exhibit a profound lack in this department), so you would only be able to access abstracts. If you really want to know the facts, then I can help you out further if you so desire.

He might be able to get some help with educational servers from "The Prof"

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

When did he vote against it? He voted Yea on 2005's H.R. 810 ("Stem-Cell Research/Vote on Bill to Expand Embryonic Stem-Cell Research"), and also voted to override President Bush's veto of the same bill. What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So you realize that Rush is really nothing but a comedian?

But... but... but... comedians are supposed to funny. Rush is about as funny as a turd in the punchbowl.

Oops -- didn't mean to offend any turds.

Rush is halarious if you're in contact with the id.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

When did he vote against it? He voted Yea on 2005's H.R. 810 ("Stem-Cell Research/Vote on Bill to Expand Embryonic Stem-Cell Research"), and also voted to override President Bush's veto of the same bill. What the hell are you talking about?

I called him on it earlier and he disappeared. Hey, wait a minute ...... I think we may be onto something here!!!!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Do you know WHY he's advocating embryonic stem cells over adult? Do you? I've done some reading, and I am by no means even a student of either adult or embryonic, but it seems that embryonic stem cells have advantages and disadvantages for therapy.

What I do know is that he is stumping for a candidate that voted against the very thing he is advocating.

When did he vote against it? He voted Yea on 2005's H.R. 810 ("Stem-Cell Research/Vote on Bill to Expand Embryonic Stem-Cell Research"), and also voted to override President Bush's veto of the same bill. What the hell are you talking about?

I called him on it earlier and he disappeared. Hey, wait a minute ...... I think we may be onto something here!!!!

Sounds like Cardin could hardly be more pro-choice and pro-stem cell research. Is Pabster outright wrong, or is there some basis for what he said?