Rush Limbaugh is a Big Mean Idiot

[heartsurgeon]

"For this you come back to these boards, hacksurgeon????

FOR THIS ?????

You are a tiny, tiny man -- a man with no shame and no heart -- and apparently no ability to see yourself as others see you, else you would crawl away for good."

hmmm.....personal attack eh? i supposed you consider yourself a "moderate" too. Oh my, what little has changed.

MJF has purposefully taped multiple political attack ads, with the theatrical goal of maximizing the appearance of his illness, to emphasize his point of view. He's smart, he's an actor, and he knows how to manipulate his audience and their emotions.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i'm not gonna waste my time going over the lies in MJF's political ad.

why?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
"For this you come back to these boards, hacksurgeon????

FOR THIS ?????

You are a tiny, tiny man -- a man with no shame and no heart -- and apparently no ability to see yourself as others see you, else you would crawl away for good."

hmmm.....personal attack eh? i supposed you consider yourself a "moderate" too. Oh my, what little has changed.

MJF has purposefully taped multiple political attack ads, with the theatrical goal of maximizing the appearance of his illness, to emphasize his point of view. He's smart, he's an actor, and he knows how to manipulate his audience and their emotions.

Since when are you such a delicate flower? It seems disingenuous to me that you come in here throwing around flamebait, then act wounded when someone responds in exactly the way you wanted them to. If you must come here and act like a jerk, expect to be treated like one. This is the second time I've seen you whining about a "personal attack" in the past day (and the other one didn't even involve a personal attack). It doesn't become your hard-hearted "heartsurgeon" persona to act like such a crybaby.

If you're really a surgeon, what you're doing here is essentially the same thing as Dr. Bill Frist diagnosing Terri Schiavo by watching a tightly-edited 10-minute videotape of her. You simply have no way of knowing that Fox was being "theatrical" in these advertisements, yet you're presuming it's true. Moreover, the ads in question are by no stretch of the imagination "political attack ads." Have you even seen them?

 

[BarneyFife]

A heart surgeon LMAO!!!

I'm an astronaut posting from space right now. I thought I've seen everything.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
A heart surgeon LMAO!!!

I'm an astronaut posting from space right now. I thought I've seen everything.

I think he may in fact be one. The sole cause for doubt I've had in the past related to his spelling and grammar, which were very very poor for a high school graduate, much less a medical-school graduate. God knows he has the attitude of a surgeon, in any case.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
A heart surgeon LMAO!!!

I'm an astronaut posting from space right now. I thought I've seen everything.

I think he may in fact be one. The sole cause for doubt I've had in the past related to his spelling and grammar, which were very very poor for a high school graduate, much less a medical-school graduate. God knows he has the attitude of a surgeon, in any case.

Doctors seem to possess some of the strongest feelings of entitlement and know-it-all-ism I've seen and despite all of their education, it still doesn't prevent them from descending into partisan hackery.

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
MJF has purposefully taped multiple political attack ads, with the theatrical goal of maximizing the appearance of his illness, to emphasize his point of view. He's smart, he's an actor, and he knows how to manipulate his audience and their emotions.

Well no duh, HS, that's what makes an effective political ad. Don't you know? The GOP, Rush, yourself are just pissed because its an effective ad that throws your blocking of embryonic stem cell research right back in your face.

The GOP deserves every bit of it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: DonVito

God knows he has the attitude of a surgeon, in any case.

You wouldn't mean the God-like superiority complex that he perceives he holds over those who's life
he is entrusted to perform as a medical professional?
or just the 'Hypocrite' part of one who exposes to take responsibilities that go with the 'Hippocratic Oath'

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

That's the only smart thing you've ever said. :laugh:

Seriuously, I started reading the last page of the thread this morning and was just thinking that it's done nothing but dengenreate into people trading insults, and what do I see here? Lo and behold, Heartsurgeon has returned to post more of his partisian nonsense.

As perknose pointed out, heartsurgeon returned (after a years absence) to post in a thread troll thread like this?? Heartsurgeon has picked the wrong name, he should call himself heartlesssurgeon.

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
apparently nothing has changed....

Yeah, but the election is less then 2 weeks away, so give it some time.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
A heart surgeon LMAO!!!

I'm an astronaut posting from space right now. I thought I've seen everything.

I think he may in fact be one. The sole cause for doubt I've had in the past related to his spelling and grammar, which were very very poor for a high school graduate, much less a medical-school graduate. God knows he has the attitude of a surgeon, in any case.

I have to disagree. I grew up in a community of doctors and surgeons (including my parents, and now one of my children). Most of the doctors I know were socially very liberal and didn't have this attitude. Yes spelling was never a strong point as was handwriting.

I do, however, agree that heartsurgeon's attitude does jar with my impression of how docs behave.

Those who don't want to see the overwhelming support for Fox's position and believe Rush instead will not let anything change their view. So why do the rest of us bother?

 

[XNice]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rush Limbaugh has a job. It is to sell product to disgusting people. You attract disgusting people by being disgusting. It's really just that simple.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
"For this you come back to these boards, hacksurgeon????

FOR THIS ?????

You are a tiny, tiny man -- a man with no shame and no heart -- and apparently no ability to see yourself as others see you, else you would crawl away for good."

hmmm.....personal attack eh? i supposed you consider yourself a "moderate" too. Oh my, what little has changed.

MJF has purposefully taped multiple political attack ads, with the theatrical goal of maximizing the appearance of his illness, to emphasize his point of view. He's smart, he's an actor, and he knows how to manipulate his audience and their emotions.

Funny how you came back to bash MJF for this ad, did you also scream about his ad for Specter? Or are you just a hypocrite?

 

[heartsurgeon]

do any of you admit Mr. Fox has ever purposefully adjusted his medications to dramatize his illness?

i mean he's on the record in print and in video saying he has done this for the "theatrical" effect.

so why is it so hard to admit he has done it again?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
do any of you admit Mr. Fox has ever purposefully adjusted his medications to dramatize his illness?

i mean he's on the record in print and in video saying he has done this for the "theatrical" effect.

so why is it so hard to admit he has done it again?

He is on record stating that he was on medication for the filming of the Ads. There is no evidence to support that he was not on medication other than right-wing conspiracies.

you choose to believe he is lying and being deceitful. And I guess that validates whatever ill will you and your kind have for this man. whatever.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
so why is it so hard to admit he has done it again?

Obviously the evidence is overwhelming against him doing so. As noted the symptoms were a result of him TAKING his medication. Fox has also stated, and other Parkinsons Disease sufferers have testified that you can't reliably predict what your symptoms are going to be like during a particular period, so the degree of calculation attributed to him with these ads is not possible.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
do any of you admit Mr. Fox has ever purposefully adjusted his medications to dramatize his illness?

Does it matter? I answered your question in this thread three days ago.

The fact is, he really does have Parkinson's, and I've seen him in worse shape that he appears on the ad.

A video ad is supposed to make a point. Even if you assume he was worse than he is at other times, he's making a true statement of his personal beliefs and the position on the issue of the candidates his ad supports.

I watched my dad go through 17 years of Parkinson's so I've seen the disease and the meds or their effects up close and personal. Unless you want to deny the fact that he has the disease, or that the concept of promoting the search for a cure is somehow unworthy, there is no defense for such dispicable attacks from turds like Limp Dick Limbaugh.

Hell! Limbaugh has admitted taking Viagra. He thinks it makes him a few inches taller. :laugh:

 

[Agent11]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Actually I think he's taking it fine. Just making out those tools who suddenly make light of his disease because he stands up for what he believes in (and it doesn't coincide with the goose-stepping Republicans) all the more foolish.

Just a thought...But where has MJF been for the last several years? I certainly haven't seen him out advocating anything. The last time I can recall hearing about him was when he testified before Congress some time ago.

And if he is really concerned ... why is this ridiculous ad only running in a couple hotly contested races in a couple states? Why not nationwide?

The only "tools" are the blind liberals who imply that MJF is beyond reproach because of his disease (not surprisingly, these same 'tools' tell us 9-11 families are beyond question as well...)

This is America. Fox has every right to spew his garbage, and likewise, Rush has every right to shoot it down.

http://www.michaeljfox.org/

Here is a link to MJF's foundation.. maybe it occupies some of his time? although a dear friend of my mothers has parkinsons and I can tell you that if you have it you do not feel like running marathons.

The GOP has decided to throw their lot in with the religious rightwing. In order to fool these people into voting for them they need a few issues that are very high profile, so that they apear to be doing something... fighting the 'culture war' that Bill O'reichly likes to make noise about.
Stim cells is one of these issues, as is gay marriage and abortion.
news flash there is no culture war.. at least the liberals aren't the ones waging it.

No one is going to tell you to stop celebrating christmas, force you to take stim cell therapy and have an abortion..

America is the land of the free. I'm agnostic. I am not protestant, and I am sure as hell not 'born again'.
Why should the rights of all americans be determined by the religious condesention of a minority?

MJF can see that if federal funding for stim cells is to go forward he needs someone else in the majority in DC..
He campaigned for Spectre remember, and that went well didn't it?



Pabster I don't think I like you very much.

 

[TheSlamma]

Take the words of people addicted to narcotics (OxyContin in this losers case) with a grain of salt. Just because the unchecked FDA approves it doesn't make it any better then a crack addict.

Rush is just another hypocrite far right moron, he makes his living just like Coulter.. by saying the crap that makes the most people they can pissed.

It's much like feeding a troll. It's also a diversion from real issues.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Obviously the evidence is overwhelming against him doing so. As noted the symptoms were a result of him TAKING his medication.

geez, i gotta spell it out AGAIN....he has manipulated his medications to change the outward manifestations of his illness.

manipulating medications isn't limited to skipping taking the drugs. It includes taking to much, and taking them in a manner timed to maximize his disability for a public "event"

he willfully chose the amount and time when he took his medications, to maximize the outward manifestations of his illness, for "theatrical" effect. He made multiple TV ads..do you think the shooting of these ads was spontaeous, and just happened to coincide with when he was writhing around like that? It involved plenty of people, who where scheduled ahead of time, and MJF knew exactly when it was going to happen, days (probably weeks) in advance. Don't tell me that he didn't know how to adjust the time and the dosage of his medications to minimize side effects and maximize effect. He's been doing that all along.

just as he willfully chose the amount and the time to take his medications, so he would minimize the outward manifestations of his illness, when he appeared in Chicago for a fundraiser..

Does it matter?

certainly it does, at least to thoughtful people. manipulating the manifestations of his illness in a political attack ad is extraordinarily cynical.

yep, he actually has admitted he was over-medicated during these attack ads...

there you have it, end of story.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
geez, i gotta spell it out AGAIN....he has manipulated his medications to change the outward manifestations of his illness...

he willfully chose the amount and time when he took his medications, to maximize the outward manifestations of his illness, for "theatrical" effect.

You're simply a stinking liar and that's being polite about it. You don't have any evidence he deliberately overmedicated even though you're stating it as a fact. In fact statements on the issue by Fox and others knowledgable about the disease have specifically noted the difficulty of predicting exact day to day symptoms and your reaction to medication at various timeperiods. You also appear to be making COMPLETELY false statements implying that Michael J Fox admitted to deliberately being overmedicated when making the ads.

Its true that Fox can temperarily surpress his symptoms to a degree with concious effort and didn't do that significantly when making the ads. Of course to reasonable people there is nothing wrong with him showing the ravages of his illness when making ads on a subject where the issue of how individuals are suffereng from Parkinson's Disease and similar illnesses today is relevant. Your reaction where you expect the ill to quietly go into seclusion and die rather than entering a political debate relevant to their hope for a cure shows just how skewed your moral values actually are. I think that you and a couple other posters are doing an extremely effective job of showing how extremist and unreasonable some diehard Republican supporters are today.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

yep, he actually has admitted he was over-medicated during these attack ads...

there you have it, end of story.

He never said that was on purpose, however, contrary to your implication. What he said was:

?The irony of it is that I was too medicated,? Fox told Couric, adding that his jumpy condition as he spoke to her reflected ?a dearth of medication ? not by design. I just take it, and it kicks in when it kicks in.?

?That?s funny ? the notion that you could calculate it for effect,? he said. ?Would that we could.?

I also take exception to your repeatedly characterizing these as "attack ads," when they're anything but.

I think the sobriquet "dittoheads" really is appropriate for Rush fans, because there seems to be a complete lack of independent thought among them.

 

[umbrella39]

It is amazing that a "Doctor" knows so little about Parkinsons. You see what you want to see Dr. Frist but it doesn't suprise anyone reading your tripe that as usual, your head is still not seeing the light of day wedged so far up your butt.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I'll explain so even you can understand, I mentioned the pill count not to debate the technicalities of perscriptions vs OTC medication. My point was a bottle of Viagra in a country which provides underage hookers I can conclude he was there soliciting 12 year old girls. Given this circumstantial evidence I still would not get on the air and say Limbaugh is screwing underage girls. But with even less evidence he got on the air and said MJF is either "acting" (same as faking) or off his medication (Frist diagnosis).

That is a really weak argument. So everyone who does to the Dominican Republic is doing so because they want to have sex with under aged hookers?
Bill and Hillary went there in 2001, obviously Bill was getting some action huh?
Of course you are not really making the acusation, just bringing it up to make a point... whatever


Look, Rush making fun or question Fox on the drugs, no drugs or acting was a little bit extreme.
However, Rush questioning what Fox said and whether he was telling the truth was not.

The second Fox agreed to film a commercial for a political candidate then he opens himself up to scrutiny just as anyone else does.
Nearly everyone on the right thinks the ad was false and appears to provide the false image that voting for the Democrat will help find a cure for the disease.

On embryonic research, a radio caller made a good point this morning. Let?s say we find a way to cure something with embryonic stem cells, how are we going to get the embryos?
To a large part of American farming embryos would be morally unacceptable. Plus there are dangers involved and the people most likely to become involved in donating are the poor who would do it for the money. Just wonder if this is the road we really want to take?

I am still on the fence on all of this. Show me that embryonic stem cells are useful first, then we?ll talk.

I'm surprised you don't know the answer to this given all the posts. We can use the almost 500,000 frozen embryos left over from in-vitro fertilization. Almost all of these will either be discarded or frozen until they are no longer viable. As long as we have IVF there will be a supply of embryos. Now if you are proposing a ban on IVF that's another argument.

 

[Red Dawn]

Moonbeam said it best when he posted Limbaugh sells a disgusting product to digusting people.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Its true that Fox can temperarily surpress his symptoms to a degree with concious effort and didn't do that significantly when making the ads.

bingo!

finally, someone admits the obvious.....

thank you

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Its true that Fox can temperarily surpress his symptoms to a degree with concious effort and didn't do that significantly when making the ads.

bingo!

finally, someone admits the obvious.....

thank you

So he decided not to mask the symptoms with a conscious effort, more power to him. Leave it to you disgusting people to make it a big deal out of it.

Frankly I'm glad Limbaugh and his followers are making a big deal out of it, it shows your true colors. If there was any doubt how low your type would stoop this erases any of that doubt.