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Rosenstein heading to WH in expectation of being fired, reportedly resigned

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Hayabusa Rider said:
Care? No, not at all. He'd burn the Republicans and his supporters in a heartbeat if he had the inclination. But Trump is easily manipulated. All the Republicans have to do is blow smoke up his ass and say that they want his legacy to be the biggest and best, so big that it will bring world peace in our lifetime. Well maybe not that overtly, but by the same tactics. Make whatever the Reps want to appear to be in a part of Trump's historic and very positive record.
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The Republicans and Trump want Kavanaugh but for different reasons. The GOP motivations are well known. Trump's motivation is probably sheer self preservation in the form of somebody who would vote that he's able to pardon himself for all crimes if/when a such a case came before the court.

Personally I do not have any confidence that Kav didn't make an explicit promise in this regard.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Hehe.

Trump to meet with Rod Rosenstein Thursday after conflicting reports about deputy attorney general's departure
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-is-reportedly-resigning.html
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So it's Rosenstein requesting a meeting, not Trump.

As I offered earlier, I think Trump can't fire Rosenstein directly. He could direct Sessions to do so, obviously, at which point Sessions might resign, then Trump could fire Rosenstein who would be acting AG.
 
Watching all of this makes me believe that the next WH garden should include some mary jane to help mellow things out a bit.😱😛
 
So basically the White House leaked reports that Rosenstein was resigning and then... he didn't? It makes me feel like the WH was trying to pressure him into doing it and he refused.
 
Jhhnn said:
So it's Rosenstein requesting a meeting, not Trump.

As I offered earlier, I think Trump can't fire Rosenstein directly. He could direct Sessions to do so, obviously, at which point Sessions might resign, then Trump could fire Rosenstein who would be acting AG.
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I think you are missing the increasingly obvious fact that Presidential power is not limited when a political party owns the government.

Trump says "you are gone"- Rosenstein says you can't fire me? The Republicans impeach and remove Trump? Exactly who is going to order the President to not fire Rosenstein and make it stick? No one.
 
Latest hopefully factual report is that Rosenstein was talking by phone about the wire report with Trump while the latter was in NYC. As there was too much going on they agreed to meet Thursday once Trump returned.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
The WH was the original source that Rosenstein was resigning? Please link. Or are you just making up shit again?
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Of course the WH was almost certainly the original source, don't be silly. Most of the stories have been updated to reflect the new details but you can see in the Slate report here the original reporting through Axios was:

Axios is reporting that Rosenstein has “verbally resigned to Chief of Staff John Kelly in anticipation of being fired by President Trump, according to a source with direct knowledge.”
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/rod-rosenstein-white-house-resignation-fired-trump.html

Considering Rosenstein didn't end up resigning he certainly wouldn't have put out a fake report that he did. Who else is going to have 'direct knowledge' other than someone in the White House? This is just common sense.

I think we can both agree now though that we need immediate congressional action to protect the Mueller investigation from any further attempts by Trump to obstruct justice. As more and more of his associates flip Trump is going to be acting more and more dangerously to conceal his corruption and the most important thing for the country right now is a full accounting.
 
fskimospy said:
Of course the WH was almost certainly the original source, don't be silly. Most of the stories have been updated to reflect the new details but you can see in the Slate report here the original reporting through Axios was:



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/rod-rosenstein-white-house-resignation-fired-trump.html

Considering Rosenstein didn't end up resigning he certainly wouldn't have put out a fake report that he did. Who else is going to have 'direct knowledge' other than someone in the White House? This is just common sense.

I think we can both agree now though that we need immediate congressional action to protect the Mueller investigation from any further attempts by Trump to obstruct justice. As more and more of his associates flip Trump is going to be acting more and more dangerously to conceal his corruption and the most important thing for the country right now is a full accounting.
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DSF is no super hero...
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
I think you are missing the increasingly obvious fact that Presidential power is not limited when a political party owns the government.

Trump says "you are gone"- Rosenstein says you can't fire me? The Republicans impeach and remove Trump? Exactly who is going to order the President to not fire Rosenstein and make it stick? No one.
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No. It just means Sessions ends up in the middle of it. If Trump directs him to fire Rosenstein he can do it or resign. If Trump fires Rosenstein w/o him he has no choice but to resign if he has any integrity at all.
 
I told you guys Rosenstein isn't going anywhere. My boy Rod isn't gonna get bullied into resigning like that fat slob Bannon.
 
fskimospy said:
Of course the WH was almost certainly the original source, don't be silly. Most of the stories have been updated to reflect the new details but you can see in the Slate report here the original reporting through Axios was:



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/rod-rosenstein-white-house-resignation-fired-trump.html

Considering Rosenstein didn't end up resigning he certainly wouldn't have put out a fake report that he did. Who else is going to have 'direct knowledge' other than someone in the White House? This is just common sense.

I think we can both agree now though that we need immediate congressional action to protect the Mueller investigation from any further attempts by Trump to obstruct justice. As more and more of his associates flip Trump is going to be acting more and more dangerously to conceal his corruption and the most important thing for the country right now is a full accounting.
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I'm speculating here...but likely someone in the Justice Department was the source. When this story initially broke, he was on his way to the WH to offer his resignation. You actually think he called in before making his offer and the WH leaked it? I find that highly doubtful. This is something you would tell your confidants beforehand.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I'm speculating here...but likely someone in the Justice Department was the source. When this story initially broke, he was on his way to the WH to offer his resignation. You actually think he called in before making his offer and the WH leaked it? I find that highly doubtful.
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The story explicitly says that's what he did, yes. That discussion apparently happened over the weekend.

Axios is reporting that Rosenstein has “verbally resigned to Chief of Staff John Kelly in anticipation of being fired by President Trump, according to a source with direct knowledge.”
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Since the White House clearly wants him to resign instead of be fired, this leak has favorable WH spin on it. When you have a limited number of people privy to this knowledge and the reports that come out reflect the White House's preferred narrative, the most likely answer is that the White House was the source. It wouldn't even be the first time the Trump WH has done something like this either.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I'm speculating here...but likely someone in the Justice Department was the source. When this story initially broke, he was on his way to the WH to offer his resignation. You actually think he called in before making his offer and the WH leaked it? I find that highly doubtful. This is something you would tell your confidants beforehand.
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Do you actually believe such an offer was ever made? It's all standard Trumpian disinformation campaigning. Float a story about Rosenstein being forced to resign as a test balloon for firing him outright.
 
fskimospy said:
The story explicitly says that's what he did, yes. That discussion apparently happened over the weekend.



Since the White House clearly wants him to resign instead of be fired, this leak has favorable WH spin on it. When you have a limited number of people privy to this knowledge and the reports that come out reflect the White House's preferred narrative, the most likely answer is that the White House was the source. It wouldn't even be the first time the Trump WH has done something like this either.
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Of course it's coming out of the White House. There's nobody outside the White House who could credibly pretend that such a conversation even took place.
 
fskimospy said:
The story explicitly says that's what he did, yes. That discussion apparently happened over the weekend.



Since the White House clearly wants him to resign instead of be fired, this leak has favorable WH spin on it. When you have a limited number of people privy to this knowledge and the reports that come out reflect the White House's preferred narrative, the most likely answer is that the White House was the source. It wouldn't even be the first time the Trump WH has done something like this either.
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Rosenstein likely thought he was going to be fired. But the WH didn't make him offer his resignation...that was Rosenstein's choice. From what little I know, I think Rosenstein is a man of honor and offered his resignation as such. But I would go on to speculate that the actual reason Kelly invited Rosenstein to the WH wasn't to fire him (because that clearly didn't happen)...it was because he wanted to know the intimate details of those two May 16 meetings.
 
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