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Rodgers to Rodgers hail mary miracle finish

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purbeast0 said:
oh yeah, sorry.

also blame the nfl for the lions guy grabbing rogers facemask too. forgot about that one, my bad.

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and i know it wasn't a 15 yarder facemask yank, but he clearly brushed it, and anyone who says they knew that wasn't a "real" facemask until the zoomed in slow motion replay is a fucking liar. the penalty is not reviewable and it clearly looked like a facemask in real time.
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Can't confirm, but I read this morning that the two flags that were thrown were thrown by officials that couldn't actually see the front of Rodger's head, and the 3rd official that could didn't throw a flag.

Not quite sure how exactly you can call a facemask penalty without having a clear view of, you know, the facemask.

It's probably for the best anyway ... a win for the Lions at this point in the season is just a waste of good draft position, and it might make it look like Caldwell is actually worth keeping around.

Edit: Here's a better view of the play. He did graze the facemask, but didn't hook it, and it appears Rodgers' head jerked before it was even hit. Good acting job, I guess.
 
zinfamous said:
Oh yeah, fair point.

OK, how about Unnecessary Roughness? I think it tends to be a judgement call at times, but it could be seen at the moment that he was grabbed around the collar and while he wasn't pulled down from the back, he was slung to the ground rather roughly.

Either way, his head was jerked back quickly which is usually how those calls are made on the field.
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You mean he moved his head to get the call? 😀
 
Xonim said:
I didn't see the end of the game, but I'm going to just throw this out there:

The Packers potentially missing the playoffs is bad for business. :whiste:

Full disclosure: I'm a Vikings guy, so ... obviously I want the Packers to lose forever and for always. BUT, I do think there's something to the whole special treatment thing. I will say I certainly appreciate Rodgers not begging for flags every time he throws an incomplete pass like some other NFCN QB's (Stafford anyone?).
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Yeah, sure...the refs wanted to make sure the Pack made the playoffs.

I can say that they could have called the PI on the Lions a couple plays before which would have put GB in FG range, or simply swallowed the whistle on that crucial 3rd and 13 Peppers Zone infraction (which led to the Lions getting a first down on 4th and short) -- crucial penalty.

No, but they waited until an opportunity on the last play. That's totally logical.
 
LTC8K6 said:
You mean he moved his head to get the call? 😀
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Sure looked like it to me. In the end, it's a smart play by Rodgers.

But yeah, do continue to blame the Lions loss on that one call (be sure to conveniently ignore the Green Bay fans, and Rodgers, that claimed the previous play should have been defensive PI, but wasn't), and not the colossal breakdown in the 2nd half, over 30 minutes of play time, that allowed Green Bay to even have a fucking hail mary chance with 0 seconds on the clock.

And if this continues to seem like some sort of conspiracy, ask Green Bay about the same pro-Green Bay conspiracy in the NFCC last season that cost them the "false loss" against Seattle.
 
zinfamous said:
if not for facemask, which it really wasn't, ref could and would have called roughing the passer, which it was.

I also liked the no-call on the play before that, when it looked like PI against detroit. It really wasn't.

So, two proper calls there.
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He hit ARod's facemask, you are blind. Refs got it right.
 
Lifelong WI resident and Packer zealot.
Also had Rodgers and Rodgers in FFL.

Super bonus night for me.

For those saying it wasn't a face mask, you apparently don't know football. If seen, and on the QB for that matter, that is going to get called EVERY_SINGLE_TIME. The QBs are treated like gentle, irreplaceable snowflakes.
 
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purbeast0 said:
oh yeah, sorry.

also blame the nfl for the lions guy grabbing rogers facemask too. forgot about that one, my bad.

EDIT:

and i know it wasn't a 15 yarder facemask yank, but he clearly brushed it, and anyone who says they knew that wasn't a "real" facemask until the zoomed in slow motion replay is a fucking liar. the penalty is not reviewable and it clearly looked like a facemask in real time.
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...and this is the real issue. anyone watching that game in real time was laughing at the lions the second Rogers went to the ground, because everyone fucking knew what would happen.

99.3% of the football crowd would have made that same call on the field.

Of course: blame the refs.
 
zinfamous said:
...and this is the real issue. anyone watching that game in real time was laughing at the lions the second Rogers went to the ground, because everyone fucking knew what would happen.

99.3% of the football crowd would have made that same call on the field.

Of course: blame the refs.
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Yes, exactly. Basically, when they gave GB a second chance, I expected something "Lion-esque" to happen.

I mean, you're FREAKING on point.
 
Xonim said:
http://imgur.com/Mty6rAi.png

Can't confirm, but I read this morning that the two flags that were thrown were thrown by officials that couldn't actually see the front of Rodger's head, and the 3rd official that could didn't throw a flag.

Not quite sure how exactly you can call a facemask penalty without having a clear view of, you know, the facemask.

It's probably for the best anyway ... a win for the Lions at this point in the season is just a waste of good draft position, and it might make it look like Caldwell is actually worth keeping around.

Edit: Here's a better view of the play. He did graze the facemask, but didn't hook it, and it appears Rodgers' head jerked before it was even hit. Good acting job, I guess.
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Because that is rarely how they are called! Head motion is the primary determinant.

Not sure if you were ever aware of this, but refs do not have the liberty to have every possible viewing angle on every possible play during every microsecond of every live ball.

It's as if you have been blissfully unaware, all these years, of how officiating decisions are made in real time.
 
Xonim said:
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Edit: Here's a better view of the play. He did graze the facemask, but didn't hook it, and it appears Rodgers' head jerked before it was even hit. Good acting job, I guess.
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From that link, it's clear his thumb hit Rodgers lip and grazed the facemask. That should shut Zinfamous up that it wasn't a facemask. You can't touch the QBs head like that at all, let alone hit their lip with your fingers. Egregious.
 
Retro Rob said:
Actually, this was primarily on coaching man.

According to Caldsack, he was expecting a lateral, and NOT a Hail Mary.

THAT was stunning, and a fireable offense.
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No! Bad Lions fan, bad! This was clearly the refs and NFl conspiracy!

come on, you need to learn from all the Pats fans.

😀
 
SP33Demon said:
From that link, it's clear his thumb hit Rodgers lip and grazed the facemask. That should shut Zinfamous up that it wasn't a facemask. You can't touch the QBs head like that at all, let alone hit their lip with your fingers. Egregious.
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you're an idiot. fucking read my comments.
 
zinfamous said:
No! Bad Lions fan, bad! This was clearly the refs and NFl conspiracy!

come on, you need to learn from all the Pats fans.

😀
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LOL.

Anyone suggesting this is some sort of conspiracy really needs a brain scan, right now.

Lions cannot afford to score only 6 points in 3 quarters against GB, period. They cannot allow Peppers to strip-sack Stafford that deep in their own territory.

Same ol' Lions.
 
zinfamous said:
you're an idiot. fucking read my comments.
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He was meaning me, not you. Sooooooooo....

As the rule is written (emphasis mine)

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 14
“No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction,”

“If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.”

The fact that he grazed it isn't in dispute, but he never grasped it, so it shouldn't have been a penalty. If it weren't a QB, or even if it were a bottom-tier QB, it wouldn't have been called.
 
Karma will even things out, anyway.

I don't see why critical game changing plays can't be reviewed, though. This facemask call totally altered the game.

Such calls or plays should always be reviewed, imo.

It's not like time was a factor.
 
Xonim said:
He was meaning me, not you. Sooooooooo....

As the rule is written (emphasis mine)

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 14
“No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction,”

“If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.”

The fact that he grazed it isn't in dispute, but he never grasped it, so it shouldn't have been a penalty. If it weren't a QB, or even if it were a bottom-tier QB, it wouldn't have been called.
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Exactly. His thumb just brushed the mask. It's not even close to a facemask penalty.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Karma will even things out, anyway.

I don't see why critical game changing plays can't be reviewed, though. This facemask call totally altered the game.

Such calls or plays should always be reviewed, imo.

It's not like time was a factor.
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you know what else totally altered the game?

the 20-0 lead that the lions lost in the span of about 3 minutes.

but no, let's not talk about that.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Exactly. His thumb just brushed the mask. It's not even close to a facemask penalty.
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I think I can agree about that not being a facemask, but in real time, it seemed like one, and Rodgers sold it pretty well.

I hate when people try to reduce a loss to one play like this. You cannot give up a 27 to 6 run, and then try to lay the blame on one play.

Stafford missed a wide open Megatron that would have been a TD, and a holding and false start late in that game was critical, letting Peppers strip-sack Stafford that led to a TD.

Those things costs them.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
Exactly. His thumb just brushed the mask. It's not even close to a facemask penalty.
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But it is (sadly) a penalty. There have been many calls this season (and prior) where if a defensive lineman comes in to block a pass and hits the QB in the head with his hands/arms (doesn't need to knock him down or anything) it is roughing the passer call.

In this case, in full speed, it looked like Rodgers got clocked in the head. It's non-reviewable and nonnegotiable.

It's your modern day NFL.
 
Taylor's thumb just brushed the facemask and he yanked on the shoulder pad instead. Rodgers did a good job of selling it after that.

Detroit being Detroit pissed away a 20pt lead late in the 3rd quarter is the bigger picture here.
 
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