Rodgers to Rodgers hail mary miracle finish

[SP33Demon]

I'm not faulting the refs for anything. I've been saying all along that the facemask call was the correct call.

No idea what you are on about.

The replay shows that, technically, it really wasn't a facemask--certainly not a 15 yard facemask.

And if you apply the actual rule, as Xonim posted, to what actually happened (using slow motion video, so not all that relevant for a call that is never made on review), then it really isn't a facemask, by the letter of the rule. Grazing the facemask or simply letting go immediately, not hooking--is not a facemask penalty. You seem to be quite certain about that not being the case, despite what the rule actually says.

Regardless of any of that, I think most people would agree that it was the correct call based on the 2 seconds of information available to the ref--and I still think it could have easily been called a personal foul whether or not a facemask was invoked. The refs almost always make a facemask call based on player reaction--the head quickly snapping down or to the side, or all the way around in the worst penalties. There's only 3 of them on the field, so it's not like they have the luxury of always being in the right place at the right time to see exactly what happens.

Honestly, when it happened, it did not look like a facemask to me--I didn't see his head snap. I did see him get flung to the ground by his shoulders and instantly thought: LOL DETROIT! When they said facemask, I was like...huh? First replay I saw his head snap, so I thought, OK I missed that. The second close up replay showed that the defender never really grabbed or tugged his facemask. His fingers grazed it, but really grabbed him just under the neck. I don't think Rodgers was trying to sell a call so much as reacting to a hand coming across his face. Sure, there was probably some of that going on and good for him to take advantage, tbh. Either way, you don't fling a QB to the ground like that. Certainly not on that play, at that time of the game. lol.

like or not, Rodgers is highly scrutinized by the refs and he is going to get the benefit of calls. Defenders certainly know that. It doesn't generally bother me that certain players get more benefit towards calls in this way (well, more in terms of their position than the individual), and Rodgers isn't known to bitch and whine on the field--cough. Brady. cough.--so all the more reason for me to not be bothered by what was, really...a non-controversial call.

Yeah, I can agree with this assessment. Although, what about the finger poke to his chin?

 

[SP33Demon]

guys, let's all watch a zoomed in slow motion replay and decide if it was a penalty, because you know, that is exactly how penalties are called in football. they aren't called in real time from where the refs are standing.

some of you morons sound like the people crying about the differences in graphics between ps4 and xbox1 where you have to look at a still picture of both games, zoomed in 10x, just to see a 1 pixel difference in details.

This made me laugh, partly because it's true and I can imagine nerds arguing about 1 pixel.

 

[Homerboy]

Rodgers is a baby. That's all I have to say, and that has nothing to do with this particular game.

Ok I'll bite.

PLEASE elaborate

 

[slightlyhuman]

Taylor's thumb just brushed the facemask and he yanked on the shoulder pad instead. Rodgers did a good job of selling it after that.

Detroit being Detroit pissed away a 20pt lead late in the 3rd quarter is the bigger picture here.

hush up now, would ya?

 

[ElFenix]

Because that is rarely how they are called! Head motion is the primary determinant.

Not sure if you were ever aware of this, but refs do not have the liberty to have every possible viewing angle on every possible play during every microsecond of every live ball.

It's as if you have been blissfully unaware, all these years, of how officiating decisions are made in real time.

If you couldn't have seen the play you shouldn't be throwing the flag or blowing the whistle. That is my number 1 complaint with NBA officiating, and the NFL should follow the same.

guys, let's all watch a zoomed in slow motion replay and decide if it was a penalty, because you know, that is exactly how penalties are called in football. they aren't called in real time from where the refs are standing.

Catch/no catch is now called that way, so why not penalties? There was a game over the weekend with a minute double-clasp of a ball where I would swear it was a catch in real time but could definitely see in slow motion that it wasn't. And that's how it went with the officials.

 

[purbeast0]

If you couldn't have seen the play you shouldn't be throwing the flag or blowing the whistle. That is my number 1 complaint with NBA officiating, and the NFL should follow the same.



Catch/no catch is now called that way, so why not penalties? There was a game over the weekend with a minute double-clasp of a ball where I would swear it was a catch in real time but could definitely see in slow motion that it wasn't. And that's how it went with the officials.

because penalties are judgement calls, you can't challenge someones judgement in the moment. that's just the way it is.

 

[purbeast0]

This made me laugh, partly because it's true and I can imagine nerds arguing about 1 pixel.

it happens constantly, and people act like that 1 pixel will make the other version unplayable. it's sad.

 

[ElFenix]

because penalties are judgement calls, you can't challenge someones judgement in the moment. that's just the way it is.

First, damn near all these catch/no catch calls are judgment.

Second, this particular penalty wasn't a judgment call at all. In fact, I don't think a facemask could ever be a judgment call - the definition of the penalty is clear. Grab and control or not. There's no middle ground. No vague 'complete the process of becoming a runner' language that no one knows what it means.

 

[Phokus]

Here's why it wasn't a facemask:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/04/facemask-rule-as-written-wasnt-violated-by-lions/

“No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction,” Rule 12, Section 2, Article 14 states.

“If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.”

Shit, i would even argue that it wasn't a facemask based on the unbolded portion too

 

[SlowSpyder]

The beauty of it all is that Golden Tate plays for the Lions. He 'caught' (it was intercepted!) the Fail Mary ball as a Seahawk during the replacement ref era, now he got to be on the other side of it.

 

[purbeast0]

First, damn near all these catch/no catch calls are judgment.

Second, this particular penalty wasn't a judgment call at all. In fact, I don't think a facemask could ever be a judgment call - the definition of the penalty is clear. Grab and control or not. There's no middle ground. No vague 'complete the process of becoming a runner' language that no one knows what it means.

catch/no catch is not a judgement call. the ball is hits the ground or it doesn't. i agree there is a judgement area that comes with it sometimes, but it's not as much a judgement call as some penalties are, like holding (since it happens every play in the nfl), and some penalties simply can't be overturned/challenged. that is just the way the nfl is. i didn't make up the rules, i simply understand them.

 

[ElFenix]

catch/no catch is not a judgement call. the ball is hits the ground or it doesn't. i agree there is a judgement area that comes with it sometimes, but it's not as much a judgement call as some penalties are, like holding (since it happens every play in the nfl), and some penalties simply can't be overturned/challenged. that is just the way the nfl is. i didn't make up the rules, i simply understand them.

Touching the ground isn't the standard. It is whether the ground assists with control, which is definitely judgment. Also, you did nothing to address the 'process of becoming a runner' standard, which is also judgment. You've been demonstrably wrong on NFL rules here so I do not think you understand them.

 

[TheGardener]

I saw the replay of the penalty a couple times. I never saw the facemask being grabbed, but I did see the defender grabbing Rodgers' shoulder pad collar. That's a penalty too. So either way, throwing the flag was a good call by the ref.

In basketball you can hear players in a close game, telling one another at the final ticks of the clock, 'don't foul'. I put this on Caldwell's coaching staff for not coaching the players up in this situation.

 

[me4get]

if not for facemask, which it really wasn't, ref could and would have called roughing the passer, which it was.

I also liked the no-call on the play before that, when it looked like PI against detroit. It really wasn't.

So, two proper calls there.

No roughing the passer ,Rodger was a runner, he had already threw the ball.

 

[zinfamous]

If you couldn't have seen the play you shouldn't be throwing the flag or blowing the whistle. That is my number 1 complaint with NBA officiating, and the NFL should follow the same.

The ref was standing right behind him though, wasn't he? I'm sure he saw him get tossed to the ground and from that angle, probably saw his head jerk down a bit.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, I can agree with this assessment. Although, what about the finger poke to his chin?

I don't know--shit happens, I guess? People get poked in the eye all the time and it is never called--I mean, you can't really penalize that, right?

It's mostly inadvertent (except at the bottoms of piles when all sorts of shady shit goes on).

 

[purbeast0]

Touching the ground isn't the standard. It is whether the ground assists with control, which is definitely judgment. Also, you did nothing to address the 'process of becoming a runner' standard, which is also judgment. You've been demonstrably wrong on NFL rules here so I do not think you understand them.

i was talking general speaking, not edge cases like you keep pulling out. just like when a player goes out of bounds - they are either out of bounds or they aren't, but then you have situations where they cross the goaline in the air as they are going out of bounds. i'm not talking about those edge cases.

i didn't know i had to address your process of becoming a runner standard. the process of becoming a runner is after the player has made a football move. and yeah, that is partially a judgement call, but to most people in the majority of cases, it's pretty obvious.

i'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point. most of the penalties in the nfl are judgement calls, and the ones that are, cannot be challenged/reviewed. that's considered a judgement call and it's a bang bang play, and everyone who saw that play real time thought it was a facemask too, so i can't blame the refs for calling it either. only when you saw the zoomed in slow mo replay did you know it wasn't truly a facemask.

that's just how the nfl operates.

 

[purbeast0]

The ref was standing right behind him though, wasn't he? I'm sure he saw him get tossed to the ground and from that angle, probably saw his head jerk down a bit.

2 separate refs threw 2 separate flags, so clearly it didn't look like a facemask from just 1 angle. it looked like facemask from probably all angles, except the zoomed in angle in slow mo we all saw on tv multiple times.

 

[Homerboy]

Let's recap:

TOUCHDOWN!!! PACKERS WIN!!!

 

[KK]

Ok I'll bite.

PLEASE elaborate

http://andrewgoralski.com/is-aaron-rodgers-really-sensitive-about-his-height

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDEFfOWRDBY

I mean really Aaron, could you be more of a douche, don't have a stick up your ass.

 

[purbeast0]

awww rogers has beaten your team a few times so you make it personal

and you call him the baby...

 

[Schfifty Five]

Guys, DEZ CAUGHT THE FREAKIN' BALL OK?

 

[Homerboy]

http://andrewgoralski.com/is-aaron-rodgers-really-sensitive-about-his-height

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDEFfOWRDBY

I mean really Aaron, could you be more of a douche, don't have a stick up your ass.

LOL

THAT is what you come up with? Holy hell. That is grasping at straws dude.
Rodgers is pretty much universally loved around the league by players, coaches, reports and even most opposing fans can enjoy the dude.

 

[Homerboy]

Fun Fact: Lions lead for 60 minutes and lost.

 

[KK]

awww rogers has beaten your team a few times so you make it personal

and you call him the baby...

No, I like the packers, they aren't even close to being the patriots, its Rodgers overly sensitivity that makes him a baby.