RMA after OCing OK? No, says BFG Tech

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
This thread is a useless flamebait.

You people have taken it upon yourselves do deal out punishments, you have taken it upon yoursleves to be moderators. Well its crap.

I am extremely offended by the theives remark and all the other snide remarks aimed at me. I presented my argument and nothing is undreasonable nothing is wrong. So just leave me along.

Im sorry to see AT forums go down like this but they are turning into one big flame war, with little regard for help anymore.

(I hope you guys are happy as i have started a thread and moved a motion to ban me so i dont have to deal with some of this crap anymore)

-Kevin

We are helping you Kevin, we're helping you become a decent human being and see the error of your ways.

It's not too tough- you don't steal from people, drive up the cost of parts to the rest of us, and nobody will flame you.

If you publicly advocate theft, honest people are likely to publicly disagree?

BTW- you don't need to be banned to not come back? I don't know why you'd give up on the board though just because people don't agree with you saying you would steal under certain circumstances.

You know i realize that for the most part the thread is dying down but i cant let this get by.

I mean theif!?!? Because i said if my card died under mild (<10%) OCing i would RMA it.

It's not too tough- you don't steal from people, drive up the cost of parts to the rest of us, and nobody will flame you.

I dont steal from people, and i am very offended you think so. Me doing what i previously stated is not driving costs up at all. You guys are not here to teach me right and wrong so stop!

If you publicly advocate theft, honest people are likely to publicly disagree?

BTW- you don't need to be banned to not come back? I don't know why you'd give up on the board though just because people don't agree with you saying you would steal under certain circumstances.

I again am astounded you treat me like a no good thief who has nothing better to do that rob stores or something.
Is it you guys right to flame if you disagree with something. I can understand under extreme circumstances (this hardly qualifies as one) but last time i checked any and all flaming per se is not allowed in the forums.

With these statements lets just drop this nonsense, im tired of it!

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Sorry Kevin-
1. You publicly advocate OCing video cards then returning them if they fail. That's almost as bad as actually doing the stealing, because you help create the permissive attitude that got the whole deplorable practice started.
2. While stating you believe in stealing isn't as bad as stealing, you're still beneath all honorable people. (e.g. Stating in public you think "rape is so cool" isn't as bad as raping, but it's not good either)
3. I don't know that I've really "flamed" you, just pointed out you're not exactly "honorable"

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hmm i might have found a problem with my wording way back when, just been trying to do to much (AP ENglish papers due every other day :-\ ). When i say die i dont mean the GPU suddenly gives artifacts and stuff, im talking if the fan dies or something to that extent. Obviously if i am getting artifacts after OCing and then underclocking i fried the card. Does that clear anything up?

However comparing me to a rapist/thief (or advocating the act of) is uncalled for and going to an extreme that is not necessary.

-Kevin

 

[SickBeast]

He didn't compare you to a rapist.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Im speaking of the analogy he used. I said the act of saying you would do something yet you dont.

-Kevin

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Its what you get when you spend $400 based off of everyone saying "get a GT and OC to Ultra" and expect a $500+ card for $400.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Im speaking of the analogy he used. I said the act of saying you would do something yet you dont.

-Kevin

Don't take him seriously. He seems to really enjoy personal attacks.

:disgust:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Im speaking of the analogy he used. I said the act of saying you would do something yet you dont.

-Kevin

Don't take him seriously. He seems to really enjoy personal attacks.

:disgust:

So do you Ronnn, of course, you only seem to really enjoy attacking me. :roll:

I made no "personal attack" against Gamingphreek, not 1/10 as severe as some of the other members- read the thread at all Ronnn? Did you see me calling him an F'n Retard and calling for a ban? Yet here's Little Ronny: "Waaah! It's mean Rollo! Waaahh!"

I can't help it Gamingphreek doesn't seem to understand English. I never called him a rapist, I said he advocated theft. I compared it to advocating rape. You both need further schooling.

 

[epileptic]

Originally posted by: Rollo

So do you Ronnn, of course, you only seem to really enjoy attacking me. :roll:

I made no "personal attack" against Gamingphreek, not 1/10 as severe as some of the other members- read the thread at all Ronnn? Did you see me calling him an F'n Retard and calling for a ban? Yet here's Little Ronny: "Waaah! It's mean Rollo! Waaahh!"

I can't help it Gamingphreek doesn't seem to understand English. I never called him a rapist, I said he advocated theft. I compared it to advocating rape. You both need further schooling.

Biggest Douche Ever.

Epileptic:
You are amazing. The card was "made to be OCd from the looks of the HSF"?

That's justification of warranty fraud if I've ever heard it- "I didn't tell them I OCd the card and might have damaged it because they put a big hsf on it!"

LOL

the 9550XT that you say isnt aimed at OCers, why do they use 2.2ns ram on it? why is it labeled XT when there is no such thing as a 9550XT? Why does everyone who owns the 9550XT card in the newegg reviews OC it to 480mhz with ease and why does it consistantly OC so far if it wasnt designed to do so.
and im sure they spend the extra $$ on the HSF for no reason at all instead of saving that $$ and using a dinky hsf like everyone else. Luckily I dont have to "not tell them" I OC'd my card because my card works fine so keep on calling us hypothetical criminals.

Go thump your bible.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: epileptic

Originally posted by: Rollo

So do you Ronnn, of course, you only seem to really enjoy attacking me. :roll:

I made no "personal attack" against Gamingphreek, not 1/10 as severe as some of the other members- read the thread at all Ronnn? Did you see me calling him an F'n Retard and calling for a ban? Yet here's Little Ronny: "Waaah! It's mean Rollo! Waaahh!"

I can't help it Gamingphreek doesn't seem to understand English. I never called him a rapist, I said he advocated theft. I compared it to advocating rape. You both need further schooling.

Biggest Douche Ever.

Epileptic:
You are amazing. The card was "made to be OCd from the looks of the HSF"?

That's justification of warranty fraud if I've ever heard it- "I didn't tell them I OCd the card and might have damaged it because they put a big hsf on it!"

LOL

the 9550XT that you say isnt aimed at OCers, why do they use 2.2ns ram on it? why is it labeled XT when there is no such thing as a 9550XT? Why does everyone who owns the 9550XT card in the newegg reviews OC it to 480mhz with ease and why does it consistantly OC so far if it wasnt designed to do so.
and im sure they spend the extra $$ on the HSF for no reason at all instead of saving that $$ and using a dinky hsf like everyone else. Luckily I dont have to "not tell them" I OC'd my card because my card works fine so keep on calling us hypothetical criminals.

Go thump your bible.

LOL- I don't have to say anything at all to you Epileptic, others handled your inane rationalizations more than adequately.

I would love to hear all the people currently laughing at you as they read crap as ridiculous as "why do they use 2.2ns ram on it? why is it labeled XT when there is no such thing as a 9550XT? Why does everyone who owns the 9550XT card in the newegg reviews OC it to 480mhz with ease and why does it consistantly OC so far if it wasnt designed to do so.".

 

[epileptic]

youre right I forgot. it wasnt designed to go faster than stock they just built all the features in it to allow it to do so. much like MSI motherboards arent designed for OCing they just include dynamic overclocking software.

 

[Spamdini]

doesnt matter a mild OC done by you is still voiding the warranty so u cant expect them to replace it, especially if you told them.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

So do you Ronnn, of course, you only seem to really enjoy attacking me. :roll:

:lips: :light:

The ironic part is I agree in the sense that I would not rma a card that I oc'd. But ..... I know that I am probably in the minority and that many if not most on this forum would. The most common reason is that the oc had nothing to do with the failure of the card. Do I have distaste for this group? No, because I think that if ATI did not want their parts oc'd they would find a way to totally lock the clock speed. This suggests to me that ATI is willing to accept these occasional rma's as part of doing business. bfg obviously feels different - I guess they can not find a way to lock the clock or are hoping to guilt out the gullible like myself. Anyways because of my weakness this way, I tend to buy cheaper no name oems without the great warranties. :beer:

 

[epileptic]

I understand OCing voids the warranty, same as removing the sticker on a PSU that says warranty void if removed. Next ill hear how I cant prove that removing the sticker didnt cause a future PSU failure. Personally i agree with most of what is being said. Some choose to OC to the fullest even raising voltages and run that way 24/7 and those whose cards die while running under those circumstances shouldnt be allowed an RMA. I just dont think the ppl who only OC'd a smidge and didnt flash or voltmod or anything else.... these people dont deserve to be screwed out of their warranty just because they did some initial testing with the card.

flamers flame on...

 

[rbV5]

IMO, yes, you lose the right to return a "defective" card if you previously ran it out of spec, precisely because you don't know if the defect was inherent or caused/exacerbated by what you did. You want to test your card? Test it at stock for a while to make sure it's working properly. THEN decide if you want to overclock it and forgo your warranty -- and if it stops working a week or month or six months later, it's your own responsibility. Some people's morals are just a little more 'flexible' when their own cash is on the line.

I'm talking about a defective part like what appears to be the issue with 6800 AGP cards, they ALL are perhaps affected. Are you saying that everyone that owns a 6800 card gives up their right to get a replacement for their defective card if they, at any time, overclocked that card?

Its not that I can't prove my initial overclocking damaged a part...it came from the manufacturer defective. A defect that untill many months later even became an issue because of promises that a non-enabled (but highly touted) feature would be enabled with a future driver...now it perhaps cannot (or like I've read, they are claiming it was never intended to work <good grief>).

I do like the card, and even though I was getting impatient, was willing to wait for the feature to be enabled. Now that it may not be, "I" think a real product defect trumps my testing when I initially bought the card. It is in-fact, perfectly working with the sole exception of the part that HAS NEVER PROPERLY WORKED ON ANY AGP 6800 CARD. I don't think my morals are flexable, I think I should get what I paid my good money for, simple as that.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Sorry Kevin-
1. You publicly advocate OCing video cards then returning them if they fail. That's almost as bad as actually doing the stealing, because you help create the permissive attitude that got the whole deplorable practice started.
2. While stating you believe in stealing isn't as bad as stealing, you're still beneath all honorable people. (e.g. Stating in public you think "rape is so cool" isn't as bad as raping, but it's not good either)
3. I don't know that I've really "flamed" you, just pointed out you're not exactly "honorable"

You need to quit with the full-boat moralizing. No one elected you high clergy of the anandtech video forum. Prove that you're superior, leave this guy alone.

 

[stnicralisk]

Kevin you obviously have no idea of how to set up an arguement if you truly believe nothing is illogical about yours.

First of all you didnt say that if your card died under a mild overclock you would RMA you said that if your card died today you wouldnt have any problem RMAing it that you wouldnt think twice about it.

You also tried to justify this statement by saying that a small OC wouldnt damage the core and that MSI even supports up to 10% so as long as you havent exceded 10% OC its still under warranty.

It is unfortunate that you had an OC of closer to 16% on the core and 19% on the memory.

If you dont see the flaw in this arguement I think that you are stupid and I wont hold you responsible for the IQ you were born with.

If you think that this isnt the arguement that you intended to make then I suggest you reread your posts and try to understand why everyone is taking it this way.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Rollo
Sorry Kevin-
1. You publicly advocate OCing video cards then returning them if they fail. That's almost as bad as actually doing the stealing, because you help create the permissive attitude that got the whole deplorable practice started.
2. While stating you believe in stealing isn't as bad as stealing, you're still beneath all honorable people. (e.g. Stating in public you think "rape is so cool" isn't as bad as raping, but it's not good either)
3. I don't know that I've really "flamed" you, just pointed out you're not exactly "honorable"

You need to quit with the full-boat moralizing. No one elected you high clergy of the anandtech video forum. Prove that you're superior, leave this guy alone.

By the same token Warrior no one elected you to patrol the boards and look for full-boat moralizers prove that youre superior and leave Rollo alone. As you can see this arguement is pretty easily turned around on you and I would say rather weak - Rollo has just as much right as you to create a post in this thread and I dont know about him but I could care less what you think about my posts.

 

[nRollo]

No, because I think that if ATI did not want their parts oc'd they would find a way to totally lock the clock speed. This suggests to me that ATI is willing to accept these occasional rma's as part of doing business. bfg obviously feels different - I guess they can not find a way to lock the clock or are hoping to guilt out the gullible like myself.

You'd be wrong about that Ronnn. I emailed ATI about this and they told me OCing voids your warranty, period.

Feel free to do the same, that was their position last year anyway.

I only started this thread because in the past while having this discussion several people stated "it's what the warranty is for" and could not be convinced otherwhise.

I had hoped that maybe seeing the words straight from BFG they would see what they apparently did not in the warranty in the box for their card, or when they agreed to activate their OCing utility.

Truly- what are the words of the company expressed on the product warranty, the OCing utility, and a direct response to a question when compared to the logic of:

1. They put a fancy HSF on it
2. Some guys at newegg reviews do it
3. They label it an XT, when ATI has no XT for that model
4. It was only OCd "X" %, which should be fine for unspecified reasons

I think we can all see the above adds up to ATI practically demanding these card be OCd, I'm surprised they don't send secret agents to your house to do it for you while you're at school! :roll:

BTW- there will be no kissing of your posterior Ronnn, unless you're a PMOY, 1980>.

 

[epileptic]

wow, just keep telling us how OCing voids the warranty cus we havnt established that already or anything. ignore the simple fact im trying to point out and discredit me by saying OCing voids yer warranty dood!! if OCing were so terrible companies wouldnt design the OCing features into thier hardware... use faster than stock memory and provide software for raising clock speeds, they even print OC on the box .....and despite all this youre still gona act like companies do not promote you to OC in any way, which is wrong. The XT card i was discussing earlier is a great example of this but you dont care to hear it because OCing voids the warranty so there is no possible way they designed this card to OC. its pure coincidence that its a great ocer and is labeled XT when there isnt an 9550XT. right...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well actually i only had my card raised to those speeds for running 3dMark o5 as it was running SOO slow i was going to try to help it.

OC is underwarranty!!! MSI SUPPORTS UP TO 10% OC!!!!

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Look at the MATURITY of the resident FLAMERS in Video.

Originally posted by: stnicralisk
You are a thief. I hate you. You ARE a wanker. DNT list. boredtodeath for BAN.

Originally posted by: tfinch2
you should throw your entire computer out the window. flashing and overclocking is not the manufacturers fault if it does not work you douche. i'm not saying that they are bad practices but it's a chance you take with your hardware.

::adds to DNT list::

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
And it also doesn't make you any less of a dick for abusing the RMA process because you were too much of a cheap bastard . . . .

Given that I just emailed the Powercolor/TUL CSRs a link to this thread with your contact info, I'd say no.

- M4H

Originally posted by: Rage187
asshat

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I hope they tell you to use the card as a rectal suppository. You deserve to be stuck with nothing - you make hardware prices high for us honest people.

Go to hell, kthx.

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Wow, gamingphreek is a complete douchebag. :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: VIAN
What a retard.

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Wow, you fvcking moron. LIGHT OVERCLOCKING VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY FOOL.

You are a little bitch who needs his a$$ kicked bigtime.

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I HATE [Expletives Deleted] LIKE THAT. its jerkholes like that that cause stores (retail or not) to develop return policies to protect themselves and in the end just hurt consumers with real problems. i want to take that new card and take a nice, new, smelly dump on it. GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

(VENT = OVER)

MYOB
(P&amp;N needs more morons . . . try posting THERE)

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Look at the MATURITY of the resident FLAMERS in Video.

Originally posted by: stnicralisk
You are a thief. I hate you. You ARE a wanker. DNT list. boredtodeath for BAN.

Originally posted by: tfinch2
you should throw your entire computer out the window. flashing and overclocking is not the manufacturers fault if it does not work you douche. i'm not saying that they are bad practices but it's a chance you take with your hardware.

::adds to DNT list::

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
And it also doesn't make you any less of a dick for abusing the RMA process because you were too much of a cheap bastard . . . .

Given that I just emailed the Powercolor/TUL CSRs a link to this thread with your contact info, I'd say no.

- M4H

Originally posted by: Rage187
asshat

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I hope they tell you to use the card as a rectal suppository. You deserve to be stuck with nothing - you make hardware prices high for us honest people.

Go to hell, kthx.

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Wow, gamingphreek is a complete douchebag. :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: VIAN
What a retard.

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Wow, you fvcking moron. LIGHT OVERCLOCKING VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY FOOL.

You are a little bitch who needs his a$$ kicked bigtime.

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I HATE [Expletives Deleted] LIKE THAT. its jerkholes like that that cause stores (retail or not) to develop return policies to protect themselves and in the end just hurt consumers with real problems. i want to take that new card and take a nice, new, smelly dump on it. GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

(VENT = OVER)

MYOB
(P&amp;N needs more morons . . . try posting THERE)

*scans list*

Good, I'm on there. And compared to the rest of those, I'm a saint.

/lumbers back underneath his bridge

- M4H

 

[DAPUNISHER]

*scans list*

Good, I'm on there. And compared to the rest of those, I'm a saint.

/lumbers back underneath his bridge

- M4H

the image of lumbering somehow doesn't fit with your boney maroney build brudda :lips:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

*scans list*

Good, I'm on there. And compared to the rest of those, I'm a saint.

/lumbers back underneath his bridge

- M4H

the image of lumbering somehow doesn't fit with your boney maroney build brudda :lips:

Add a couple prescription strength doses of painkillers and I'll get there in a skipped heartbeat.

- M4H