RMA after OCing OK? No, says BFG Tech

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see what's so complicated. You buy a card install it and drivers and that's proper warranted use. Anything else voids your warranty.

1. overclcoking
2. ramsinks
3. changing bios
4. Aftermarket HSF
5. vmods
6. And anything else other than install card and drivers for the card.

Those are the conditions you agreed to before using it, says so in warranty inside. I guess that's why I use a card for about a week at defaults just to make sure there's no immient failure or manufacturing defect before I slam it. After such time... oh well my loss if something occurs.

Another thing, you guys on severe budget constraints should not be overclocking anything IMO. The very marginal improvments are not worth the risk of failure.

Actually trhe ATI warranty ONLY says:

This warranty does not apply to . . . a product which has been damaged due to accident, misuse, improper installation, usage not in accordance with the product specifications and instructions, natural or personal disaster, or unauthorized alterations, repairs or modifications.

I think the word is "modifications":

1. The act of modifying or the condition of being modified.
2. A result of modifying.
3. A small alteration, adjustment, or limitation.

so . . . . underclocking the card would also void your warranty.

if your PS is not "perfect" it would void your warranty.

If your MB's voltage is not EXACTLY as specified, your warranty is void.

There is such a thing as REASONABLENESS and CONSCIENCE. And i do NOT want someone elses conscience dictating MY actions.

:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SickBeast
They're not doing it to make a point; they desperately want you banned. :thumbsdown:

I don't think they'll ever get rid of you though so long as you continue you moderately behave yourself. The video forum wouldn't be the same without you.

Why bother? Get rid of one Nvidia salesman and another two pop up in his place. Rollo just makes an easy target and is just too hard to resist at times. I don't think anyone expects him to be banned, mind you his mr. jekyll (cindy22) does seem to have been abolished. :shocked:

There's a name I haven't heard in a while. Some of the stuff I said to Cindy, THAT was antagonistic.

 

[Gagabiji]

What a total idiot.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: SirDude
What a total idiot.

Yeah, and in the damned video forum!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SirDude
What a total idiot.

Thanks SirDude. Given your endorsement of Slick Willie, the Second Coming, in your sig, I'll take that as a compliment.

Who are you going to endorse in your sig after W. "steals" the election again, by not personally teaching the illiterate slobs how not to vote for him by mistake? Can't wait to see Kerry's supporters on tv after the election again, complaining how they were "confused" by the complex voting forms! Maybe the Dems should try appealing to the voters who can read?

(of course, that'll be a tough sell with their promise to raise our taxes.....)

 

[rbV5]

I think its about time to lock this POS thread up.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5
I think its about time to lock this POS thread up.

C'mon RBV5- where's your sense of humor? Don't you remember all those slobs they trotted out on national news after the last election, blubbering about how they wouldn't have voted for Bush or Buchanon if they had understood the forms?
The delicious irony of people who can't comprehend some simple instructions on a simple form mad because they didn't get to help decide who the leader of the world is?
The last four years of "he stole the election" when they didn't even allow the servicemen overseas to vote because they knew they would all support their Commander In Chief?

The guy did call me an "idiot", don't you think it's fair I note that as a compliment given his affiliations?

Anyway, it was a good thread:
1. It brought to light BFGs position on OCing, something many here want to know.
2. Some who thought OCing and RMAing is fine found out BFG and many of their fellow ATers don't agree.
3. We got to see the unusual attempt to villify me by saying a dead link that may have had a magazine article that may have been copyrighted may have been illegal...er, violation of board policy.....errr, just not nice!

It's been a good thread, although the flames were probably unnecessary.

 

[HardWarrior]

What an interesting combination. A demagogue and a fop, all rolled into one.

 

[Chumster]

Originally posted by: Rollo
3. We got to see the unusual attempt to villify me by saying a dead link that may have had a magazine article that may have been copyrighted may have been illegal...er, violation of board policy.....errr, just not nice!

The article was from PC Gamer and is most defenitely copyrighted. Posting a direct link to the scanned document is like posting a direct link to pirated software/mp3's/etc. It's illegal anyway you want to spin it.

Chum

 

[Dustswirl]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What an interesting combination. A demagogue and a fop, all rolled into one.

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Ever heard about Diogenes? brilliant mind who liked to tease others and see how they react (often stupidly, hmmm some similarity with what i read in all the responses to Rollo in any thread in theses forums...)

Showing some respect is nice...

I guess too much light is blinding

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Chumster

Originally posted by: Rollo
3. We got to see the unusual attempt to villify me by saying a dead link that may have had a magazine article that may have been copyrighted may have been illegal...er, violation of board policy.....errr, just not nice!

The article was from PC Gamer and is most defenitely copyrighted. Posting a direct link to the scanned document is like posting a direct link to pirated software/mp3's/etc. It's illegal anyway you want to spin it.

Chum

Interesting. Illegal where? Federal? State? Local? International?

I find it very difficult to believe that the 1st Amendment doesn't cover posting a link to illegally posted copyrighted material. Please show me the law.

If you want to tell me posting it and hosting it are illegal- I believe you.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Dustswirl

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What an interesting combination. A demagogue and a fop, all rolled into one.

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Ever heard about Diogenes? brilliant mind who liked to tease others and see how they react (often stupidly, hmmm some similarity with what i read in all the responses to Rollo in any thread in theses forums...)

Showing some respect is nice...

I guess too much light is blinding

Some where in all this inane pap are you suggesting that I show deference to an individual who has proven that he has no respect for anyone here, just because YOU say so? You wasted your time posting this BS, Dust. Have some kids and verse them in your high-minded drivel.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Dustswirl

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What an interesting combination. A demagogue and a fop, all rolled into one.

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Ever heard about Diogenes? brilliant mind who liked to tease others and see how they react (often stupidly, hmmm some similarity with what i read in all the responses to Rollo in any thread in theses forums...)

Showing some respect is nice...

I guess too much light is blinding

If you see a parallels between the lives of Diogenes and Rollo ... I can only ask, where did you get such high quality light? But maybe Diogenes did live under a bridge and felt it was his duty to sell, protect and honour Nvidia. Anyways now that this thread has been yet again hijacked into a bizarre personality contest, I did have to rma a computer part for the first time. Bought an oem 9600pro Alantis and received an Advantage pro. Turned out not to have any advantages though (I think I hate Sapphire).
I was carefull not to overclock and underclocking was already done for me by Sapphire.

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Almost everything voids your warranty, but this does not stop the majority from rma. Making a moral issue of this is silly. Bigger moral issues around, such as is it ok to bomb middle eastern countries?

this has got my vote

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo
C'mon RBV5- where's your sense of humor? Don't you remember all those slobs they trotted out on national news after the last election, blubbering about how they wouldn't have voted for Bush or Buchanon if they had understood the forms?
The delicious irony of people who can't comprehend some simple instructions on a simple form mad because they didn't get to help decide who the leader of the world is?
The last four years of "he stole the election" when they didn't even allow the servicemen overseas to vote because they knew they would all support their Commander In Chief?

The guy did call me an "idiot", don't you think it's fair I note that as a compliment given his affiliations?

Originally posted by Rollo

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Almost everything voids your warranty, but this does not stop the majority from rma. Making a moral issue of this is silly. Bigger moral issues around, such as is it ok to bomb middle eastern countries?
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Those usually get discussed in P&N though. This is the only "moral issue" I know of for video cards, and I don't think it's status as less important than bombing the Middle East means we shouldn't discuss it.

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So discussing blubbering slobs (that mainly lived in poor ethnic areas) and how their poor comprehension of written English makes them unworthy of a vote belongs here?


:light: (blinding)

 

[oldman420]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...29&highlight_key=y
heres a poll I did some might find interesting

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo
C'mon RBV5- where's your sense of humor? Don't you remember all those slobs they trotted out on national news after the last election, blubbering about how they wouldn't have voted for Bush or Buchanon if they had understood the forms?
The delicious irony of people who can't comprehend some simple instructions on a simple form mad because they didn't get to help decide who the leader of the world is?
The last four years of "he stole the election" when they didn't even allow the servicemen overseas to vote because they knew they would all support their Commander In Chief?

The guy did call me an "idiot", don't you think it's fair I note that as a compliment given his affiliations?

Originally posted by Rollo

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Almost everything voids your warranty, but this does not stop the majority from rma. Making a moral issue of this is silly. Bigger moral issues around, such as is it ok to bomb middle eastern countries?
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Those usually get discussed in P&N though. This is the only "moral issue" I know of for video cards, and I don't think it's status as less important than bombing the Middle East means we shouldn't discuss it.

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So discussing blubbering slobs (that mainly lived in poor ethnic areas) and how their poor comprehension of written English makes them unworthy of a vote belongs here?


:light: (blinding)

Ronny:
Such a sad, racist comment. You'd never see me malign someone's ethnicity in print (or at all for that matter), but I guess it takes all kinds and the college(s) you attended offered no ethnic studies courses to help you celebrate the diversity of mankind.

I also never said the people in the news were unworthy of the vote, our nation is founded on the principle that every man has the same input into the electoral process. (which they must not have taught you either)

I merely pointed out that there is some irony in the situation where people who can't follow instructions that basically say "Punch out the circle next to the candidate you wish to cast your vote for" are deciding who leads the world? You might Google "irony"?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Ronny:
Such a sad, racist comment.

Am very glad that you are clear on that and I am very glad that fat blubbering slobs that can't follow instructions is merely a form of irony, an American form I assume. Am also glad to hear George Bush leads the world. Also am glad Canadians are too dumb to realize that. Here we are with a balanced budget and an ok ecconomy where the words out sourcing are rarely used.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5
I think its about time to lock this POS thread up.

C'mon RBV5- where's your sense of humor? Don't you remember all those slobs they trotted out on national news after the last election, blubbering about how they wouldn't have voted for Bush or Buchanon if they had understood the forms?
The delicious irony of people who can't comprehend some simple instructions on a simple form mad because they didn't get to help decide who the leader of the world is?
The last four years of "he stole the election" when they didn't even allow the servicemen overseas to vote because they knew they would all support their Commander In Chief?

The guy did call me an "idiot", don't you think it's fair I note that as a compliment given his affiliations?

Anyway, it was a good thread:
1. It brought to light BFGs position on OCing, something many here want to know.
2. Some who thought OCing and RMAing is fine found out BFG and many of their fellow ATers don't agree.
3. We got to see the unusual attempt to villify me by saying a dead link that may have had a magazine article that may have been copyrighted may have been illegal...er, violation of board policy.....errr, just not nice!

It's been a good thread, although the flames were probably unnecessary.

Sense of humor? I support John Kerry for President, and I supported Al Gore in the last election. I find your insults both offensive and off-topic at the same time. The good parts of the thread don't outway the complete nonsense and insults throughout the thread.

 

[Dustswirl]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Dustswirl

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What an interesting combination. A demagogue and a fop, all rolled into one.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ever heard about Diogenes? brilliant mind who liked to tease others and see how they react (often stupidly, hmmm some similarity with what i read in all the responses to Rollo in any thread in theses forums...)

Showing some respect is nice...

I guess too much light is blinding

Some where in all this inane pap are you suggesting that I show deference to an individual who has proven that he has no respect for anyone here, just because YOU say so? You wasted your time posting this BS, Dust. Have some kids and verse them in your high-minded drivel.

I respect everyone in these forums and your opinion too though i never quoted anyone nor did i adress what i said to anyone in particular so "qui se sent morveux se mouche".

Apart from that, twice i have recieved faulty processors coz some wiseguy fiddled with it then rmaed it. so it's a matter of consience, respect and bad personality. some ppl find it cool or think they outsmarted everyone... until it happens to them.

 

[maxtorblaster]

Originally posted by: ewright
No, he was having "problems" (it wouldn't clock as high as he wanted it to), and has already exchanged the card at BestBuy after BFG politely told him to piss off.

There's another guy over there that bought a GT and right out of the box overclocked it to 450, then kept asking why he was seeing artifacts and purple lines. He then volt modded the poor core (shortening its life even more), but still saw artifacts, so he "backed it down" to 440. Now he only sees "some" artifacts here and there, so the card is "stable". No matter what the other posters tell him, he's convinced that since temps never rise above 72, he's not hurting the card.

Wait, is that 72 F* Or C* C* would be fricken hot like a prescott
:Q

 

[maxtorblaster]

Heh, ironically the cards I have overclocked haven't pooped on me but the cards I have NEVER overclocked JUST pooped on me! Last year I got a Radeon 9800PRo in july and it acted kind of funny when playing games but not enough to make ATI RMA it. Finally (not really) I was using the computer not even for gaming but to just surf online, chat etc. and started to notice colored lines in windows and when you clicked around it got worse. This was my ticket to RMA it and I finally did (still waiting for it). I don't really worrie about overclocking because I like to tinker with NVIDIA Geoforce 2 MXs and a little bit better cards. If they were to fry, it wouldn't be a big deal and I wouldn't ever bother RMAing it. I think these people don't know that when a card starts to artifact, it means thats it's overclocking limit.

Question: Wouldn't it be pointless to overclock a 9800XT+ because they already overclocking using ATI's Overdrive feature? Or is ATI running the card at TOO safe of speeds, I really think it's pointless and the only thing that would be worth doing is getting a better HSF for the card to ATI Utility will overclock it more.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Dustswirl

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Dustswirl

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
What an interesting combination. A demagogue and a fop, all rolled into one.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ever heard about Diogenes? brilliant mind who liked to tease others and see how they react (often stupidly, hmmm some similarity with what i read in all the responses to Rollo in any thread in theses forums...)

Showing some respect is nice...

I guess too much light is blinding

Some where in all this inane pap are you suggesting that I show deference to an individual who has proven that he has no respect for anyone here, just because YOU say so? You wasted your time posting this BS, Dust. Have some kids and verse them in your high-minded drivel.

I respect everyone in these forums and your opinion too though i never quoted anyone nor did i adress what i said to anyone in particular so "qui se sent morveux se mouche".

Apart from that, twice i have recieved faulty processors coz some wiseguy fiddled with it then rmaed it. so it's a matter of consience, respect and bad personality. some ppl find it cool or think they outsmarted everyone... until it happens to them.

Come on Dust snap out of it, you quoted me. It's right above. Also, I speak English only and I'm not going to waste my time hunting up a translation. Methinks you're a bit to rarified to be seen wallowing with the unwashed, sir.

If I understand you, which is a chore, how can you say that a DOA is the fault of some "wise guy?" It's just as possible that you bought a bad part off the line. There's just no way of telling unless you?re a sympathetic telepath AND a philologist. Some people are going to game the system. All the paper-thin moralizing, meatball scenarios and peer pressure in the word isn?t going to change that.

 

[nRollo]

Sense of humor? I support John Kerry for President, and I supported Al Gore in the last election. I find your insults both offensive and off-topic at the same time. The good parts of the thread don't outway the complete nonsense and insults throughout the thread.

Interesting rbV5. It must sadden you to see Kerry blowing his chances in the homestretch by his baseless accusations that Bush plans to cut Soc Security benefits, reinstate the draft, and is responsible for the shortage of flu vaccine? Or his camp's interesting choice to attack Cheney's alternative lifestyle daughter, then refusal to apologize?
For me, his record on voting tax and gun control issues are more important, but what the heck, I'm happy enough to see him sinking.

In four you can tell me why Hilary Clinton deserves the office, perhaps due to her extraordinary ability to "forgive and forget"?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Ronny:
Such a sad, racist comment.

Am very glad that you are clear on that and I am very glad that fat blubbering slobs that can't follow instructions is merely a form of irony, an American form I assume. Am also glad to hear George Bush leads the world. Also am glad Canadians are too dumb to realize that. Here we are with a balanced budget and an ok ecconomy where the words out sourcing are rarely used.

As my favorite President, Ron Reagan once said, "There you go again".
a. I didn't say the slobs were fat. (or ethnic)
b. I never mentioned Canada, or called it's people "dumb"
c. I did say the President of the U.S. is the "leader of the world" - but it's an arguable point: the U.S. is the globe's largest consumer, in many cases producer, has the largest military, and is somewhat relied on as a police force. If you can point out a country the title fits better, and why, I'll retract this and modify to "There is irony in the fact that our last election for one of leaders of the planet may have been decided by some of the people least equipped to make the decision".
There is no slur in that- you inserted one to attack me.

As a guy with a degree in business and psychology, I'm less qualified to make a decision on whether to do open heart surgery than your Doctor. It is what it is- I'm less qualified. It might be assumed someone who can't figure out "punch out the circle next to the candidate you wish to vote for" is less astute than some others.