Rittenhouse trial to start soon, Judge is laying out rules.

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

You see self defense. As it is. As it SHOULD be.

You mean a guy trying to disarm what he perceived to be a potential active shooter, who in fact turned out to be an active shooter?

 

[soundforbjt]

You see self defense. As it is. As it SHOULD be.
How can you witness an assailant chase down and attack someone and come to any other conclusion?

If you need some context behind Rosenbaum's attack, the trial gave PLENTY of it!!!

Here's what Richard McGinness said he saw.​

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PROSECUTOR: I mean you have no idea what Mr. Rosenbaum was thinking at any point of his life. You have never been inside his head, you never met him before. ​

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MCGINNISS: I never exchanged words with him, if that’s what your question is. ​

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PROSECUTOR: So your interpretation of what he was trying to do or what he was intending to do or anything along those lines is complete guesswork isn’t it. ​

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MCGINNISS: Well he said f--- you and reached for the weapon.​

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Well, there's that. So a convicted child molester with a long and violent criminal history runs up to Kyle Rittenhouse out of nowhere in the middle of a riot and tries to take his gun away. So Rittenhouse shot him. That's what happened. Those are the facts. Again, according to the prosecution’s own witness. And not just one witness.​

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Today, the prosecution's medical expert, a man called Doug Kelly, testified that Joseph Rosenbaum appeared to be grabbing the barrel of Kyle Rittenhouse's rifle when Rittenhouse fired. Then yet another prosecution witness, this one called Ryan Balch, testified that Joseph Rosenbaum said out loud that he intended to kill Kyle Rittenhouse.​

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BALCH: And I stepped in and told everybody, "chill out, calm down, stop doing that." I turned and had an exchange with one of the protestors and I kind of explained to that protester, I get what you’re trying to do but not this. And when I turned around, Rosenbaum was right there in front of my face yelling and screaming. And I said dude, back up chill, I don’t know what your problem is. And he goes you know what, if I catch one of you guys alone tonight I’m going to f---ing kill you."​

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BINGER: And he said that to you?​

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BALCH: Correct.​

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BINGER: Did he say that to the defendant as well? ​

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BALCH: Well the defendant was there – so yes.​

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Exactly how did Rosenbaum attack Kyle ?

Did he hit him?
Did he threaten him with a weapon?
Will this be the first case where there was zero physical contact between the two parties? This decision could create a dangerous precedent.

 

[amenx]

Imagine if KR was a 17 year old black male who was attacked by an angry white dude who did not like rioters or BLM movement. Where would the right-wing batshits stand on that? Being the hypocrites they are, they would demand his crucifixion. Faux news would be all over his ass.

 

[dlerious]

You mean a guy trying to disarm what he perceived to be a potential active shooter, who in fact turned out to be an active shooter?

A guy who threatened to kill Kyle according to the testimony of Balch ran after him and tried to grab his gun.

 

[rommelrommel]

You mean a guy trying to disarm what he perceived to be a potential active shooter, who in fact turned out to be an active shooter?

Ah yes, the street thug department of precognition.

If someone says they are going to kill you, and make an attempt to take your gun from you, what conclusion would come to?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Ah yes, the street thug department of precognition.

If someone says they are going to kill you, and make an attempt to take your gun from you, what conclusion would come to?

If a teen-aged punk from Illinois comes to your town parading around with a long gun pointing it at people, what conclusion would you come to?

 

[rommelrommel]

If a teen-aged punk from Illinois comes to your town parading around with a long gun pointing it at people, what conclusion would you come to?

Probably should leave him alone, I don’t want to get shot.

 

[ivwshane]

If a teen-aged punk from Illinois comes to your town parading around with a long gun pointing it at people, what conclusion would you come to?

Well obviously if he has a gun he’s clearly the the responsible good guy with gun type! Everyone was carrying a gun so clearly the guy without a gun was the bad guy!

I don’t understand how people can’t recognize the good gun owners from the bad gun owners, it’s basic common sense!

Everyone knows that if you are the only one around with a gun, that makes you the only good guy! So if some dumb ass wants to grab a gun from a good guy with a gun then clearly he’s the bad guy. After all, people intent on killing others typically go after people with guns, again, that’s just common sense!



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[Maxima1]

Will this be the first ‘self-defense ‘ case where the defendant was never physically touched, ‘aggressor’ not armed and gets off? Don’t remember any in recent times.

You already forgot Ashli Babbitt? And... what is wrong with you? If someone lunges for the gun, no sane person is going to let the lunatic get into a struggle over it (which Rosenbaum clearly tried to do -- he had soot/burns all over his hands), especially since he already threatened him. FYI, also Kyle can point the gun at him (threat of force) to prevent what Kyle reasonably believed was unlawfully going to endanger him. This is why the prosecution is basing their provocation point on the image below, haha.

You see self defense. As it is. As it SHOULD be.
How can you witness an assailant chase down and attack someone and come to any other conclusion?

If you need some context behind Rosenbaum's attack, the trial gave PLENTY of it!!!

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And Gaige killed two birds with one stone. He admitted Kyle only shot when his handgun was pointed at Kyle's head, and he also expressed concern about Huber hitting Kyle with the skateboard stating that it could cause "head trauma".

It's a case that clearly never should have went to trial, but both Kraus and Littlebinger are corrupt, poisonous skunk bags, and the judge is making decisions based on politics.

THIS below is their case right now and what salvaged it (not really, only for stupid people). This is what got them the provocation instruction, which is so asinine since the video they were looking at and the still images show jack and shit (I mean, even if it represented a rifle which you can't even make out, he's in a left-hand stance but Kyle never puts his rifle on that side), yet Kraus lies and pretends it shows Kyle pointing the rifle at Ziminski. Now in closing Littlebinger will try to weave in the broader inferences about provocation (what the media has been suggesting) despite it having nothing to do with the actual law. Now maybe it won't matter because this is really pathetic, but who the hell knows when so many prominent people say stupid stuff about it.

 

[HomerJS]

Exactly how did Rosenbaum attack Kyle ?

Did he hit him?
Did he threaten him with a weapon?
Will this be the first case where there was zero physical contact between the two parties? This decision could create a dangerous precedent.

I've stated that very thing to Jackass and others using the drone footage. It does not show Rosenbaum attacking KR. It shows KR being followed and then KR turns around and shoots Rosenbaum

I will re-ask for the forth time, where in the drone video foes it show Rosenbaum attacking KR?? Where is the justification for self defense for that murder?

If KR has no self defense cause for Rosenbaum, everything after that could be cited as a citizens arrest attempt.

 

[soundforbjt]

. Kyle wasn’t directly threatened, Rosenbaum yelled that to all of the ‘militia’ on the lot. And if you watched the trial, Gage didn’t really have his gun ‘aimed’ at Kyle’s head. Yes it was pointing towards his head but from the picture the defense showed, if Gage had shot at that moment he would have missed.

Kyle Rittenhouse has/had lied to everyone about his actions that night. Why should anyone believe he was in fear for his life when everything out of his mouth in the trial has been shown to be a lie?

Kyle sure did a lot of lying.
He lied that he was hired by Car Source.
He lied that he was an EMT.
He lied when he told one of the other guys he was with that he didn’t shoot anyone, even though he just had killed Rosenbaum.
He lied when he said he was gong to surrender to police.
Kyle doesn’t appear to be an honest person.

Again, it’s dangerous to set a precedent for self defense when ZERO physical attack has occurred. And as far as Ashli Babbit goes, it’s not even remotely the same situation in any way.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Defense rests in Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial; closing arguments set for Monday

Judge Bruce Schroeder dismissed the jury until Monday, when\u00a0closing arguments are expected to be held.

www.usatoday.com

We'll find out soon how this case ends up with a verdict. But whatever it is, I predict riots by the those who do not agree with it.

You'd be wrong. Only if Kyle is found not guilty will there be riots by the leftists that wanted a lynching.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

And neither conclusively means the accused did or did not do what they were charged with.

In this country we are all innocent until proven guilty. Therefore to be found not guilty is to be .......innocent.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

KR was the aggressor the minute he aimed the gun at Rosenbaum seconds before KR ran to the spot where he shot Rosenbaum.

No, Rosenbaum was the aggressor when earlier in the night he made threats to kill KR and other people....... they are on record.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Good stuff *circa 1968

This judge reminds more than a little of Judge Hoffman from the trial of the Chicago 7, only this time with an obvious bias toward the defense instead of against it. I'm half-surprised someone on the prosecution hasn't been bound and gagged yet.

"So your brother's bound and gagged and they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Chicago just to sing
In a land that's known as freedom how can such a thing be fair
Won't you please come to Chicago for the help that we can bring

We can change the world
Rearrange the world
It's dying
To get better

Politicians sit yourselves down there's nothing for you here
Won't you please come to Chicago for a ride
Don't ask Jack to help you 'cause he'll turn the other ear
Won't you please come to Chicago or else join the other side

(We can change the world)
Yes we can change the world
(Rearrange the world)
Rearrange the world

(It's dying)
If you believe in justice
(It's dying)
If you believe in freedom
(It's dying)
Let a man live his own life
(It's dying)
Rules and regulations who needs them
Open up the door

Somehow people must be free I hope the day comes soon
Won't you please come to Chicago show your face
From the bottom of the ocean to the mountains of the moon
Won't you please come to Chicago no one else can take your place

(We can change the world)
Yes we can change the world
(Rearrange the world)
Rearrange the world

(It's dying)
If you believe in justice
(It's dying)
If you believe in freedom
(It's dying)
Let a man live his own life
(It's dying)
Rules and regulations who needs them
Open up the door"

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You mean a guy trying to disarm what he perceived to be a potential active shooter, who in fact turned out to be an active shooter?

A "potential active shooter" ? So you think it's a good idea to try to disarm every armed person whether they are legal or not ? How does that go over with the police officers you try to disarm as "potential active shooters"

 

[cytg111]

A "potential active shooter" ? So you think it's a good idea to try to disarm every armed person whether they are legal or not ? How does that go over with the police officers you try to disarm as "potential active shooters"

Ok Brandon

 

[Vic]

A "potential active shooter" ? So you think it's a good idea to try to disarm every armed person whether they are legal or not ? How does that go over with the police officers you try to disarm as "potential active shooters"

Wasn't the whole reason for guns in schools to be able to deal with active shooters? But now you're telling us we shouldn't even try to disarm them?

 

[Vic]

In this country we are all innocent until proven guilty. Therefore to be found not guilty is to be .......innocent.

Unless your name is George Floyd or Philando Castile or Tamir Rice, or dozens of others, and then it's comply or be extrajuducially executed on the spot.

 

[Meghan54]

Unless your name is George Floyd or Philando Castile or Tamir Rice, or dozens of others, and then it's comply or be extraducially executed on the spot.

Tamir Rice was never afforded the opportunity to comply.

 

[Commodus]

A "potential active shooter" ? So you think it's a good idea to try to disarm every armed person whether they are legal or not ? How does that go over with the police officers you try to disarm as "potential active shooters"

That's a straw man argument.

If you have logical reasons to believe someone is an active shooter and you think you can disarm them, it's a good idea. You don't wait until that shotgun-toting person in your office blasts the secretary before you take them down. And a teen in civilian clothes with a rifle isn't exactly going to invite trust, especially when word is spreading that he's dangerous.

 

[soundforbjt]

No, Rosenbaum was the aggressor when earlier in the night he made threats to kill KR and other people....... they are on record.

So, now you’re saying words can be a reason for a claim of self defense ? A lot of fights I saw in the large niteclub I worked for in the 80’s started with the words “I’m gonna kill you!”. Nobody ever died at that club.

 

[JEDIYoda]

A guy who threatened to kill Kyle according to the testimony of Balch ran after him and tried to grab his gun.

Im going to kill you with my fists doesn`t add up to a viable threat of immanent death....duh....

 

[JEDIYoda]

No, Rosenbaum was the aggressor when earlier in the night he made threats to kill KR and other people....... they are on record.

words -- Im going to kill you......doesn`t equate a viable defense for self defense!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Wasn't the whole reason for guns in schools to be able to deal with active shooters? But now you're telling us we shouldn't even try to disarm them?

Imported is a sock account who is programmed by his handlers.....