Rittenhouse trial to start soon, Judge is laying out rules.

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'm sure it will be a "mostly peaceful" riot if Kyle Rittenhouse is found not guilty of murder.

And I'm sure KPD will escalate things as they're known to do.

 

[Maxima1]

Kyle sure did a lot of lying.
He lied that he was hired by Car Source.
He lied that he was an EMT.
He lied when he told one of the other guys he was with that he didn’t shoot anyone, even though he just had killed Rosenbaum.
He lied when he said he was gong to surrender to police.
Kyle doesn’t appear to be an honest person.

You ignore that the sex offender and the 2 vigilantes have a worse background. Why? Gaige even got his 2nd DUI before the trial. Don't look now, but it looks like Kyle will get off on the dangerous weapon charge, while Gaige had a handgun when his CCW was revoked.

"Click the link. http://kenoshacountyeye.com/gaige.pdf. His first arrests was for assaulting his grandmother. His last arrest was night before he got shot. He was on parole. He is a thug criminal with a 92 page criminal record that has open cases. Criminal trying to shoot a minor"

. Kyle wasn’t directly threatened, Rosenbaum yelled that to all of the ‘militia’ on the lot. And if you watched the trial,

He was right next to Balsh. It was about an hour before the incident. This is rich because weren't you one of posters that thought the video of Kyle saying he wanted to shoot at the shoplifters meant he wanted to kill someone when he had the rifle? That video was too prejudicial because all the evidence that night suggested Kyle did not think you could shoot someone over issues like property damage. Rosenbaum lying in ambush, hiding his identity, chasing Kyle, and lunging for the rifle was effectively carrying out his threat, so it's funny that you dismiss that as nothing.

Gage didn’t really have his gun ‘aimed’ at Kyle’s head. Yes it was pointing towards his head but from the picture the defense showed, if Gage had shot at that moment he would have missed.

Uh isn't that obvious... because Kyle was faster. Gaige is such a poor liar. It's pretty evident he wanted to shoot the kid. He is lying about the "reracking", and it's laughable to believe his BS that he wouldn't shoot Kyle despite saying he feared for his life. Why would he even carry a gun if he would never use it? Moreover, he still had both hands occupied, so he couldn't grab for the rifle anyway unless he dropped the phone, which he still kept in his hand until shot. What he wanted to do was get a head shot on Facebook live.

Kyle Rittenhouse has/had lied to everyone about his actions that night. Why should anyone believe he was in fear for his life when everything out of his mouth in the trial has been shown to be a lie?

A raging lunatic chases him after lying in ambush (obviously not setup by Kyle) with the Ziminskis, and he's getting attacked soon after by a mob of people... do you know how dumb you come across by going back to him lying about stuff? It's on video.

Again, it’s dangerous to set a precedent for self defense when ZERO physical attach has occurred.
And as far as Ashli Babbit goes, it’s not even remotely the same situation in any way.

Do you know of any other open carry incidents other than Kyle? This is disingenuous to say the least. Kyle lets Rosenbaum chase him a bit but can't go elsewhere due to all the people nearby smashing the cars and only shoots when Rosenbaum grabs for the rifle. I mentioned this was essentially a suicidal act by Rosenbaum before even knowing he had just gotten out of the hospital for attempted suicide, and it was no surprise he was a hardened criminal. There is no dangerous precedent. He had a death wish and got it.

False.

A lot of people who really did commit what they were accused of were found 'not guilty'. OJ is just one. All a verdict means is the jury believed one counsel (paid liar) more than the other.

If he's acquitted with all that direct video, the fact that he testified himself, and having Richards as his lead lawyer, the case was simply just bullshit. Right now the prosecution's case is only staying alive for stupid people is because they were able to get the judge to agree to add the provocation instruction for no good reason.

D a r t h C r y p t o (Can't Keep me Down!) on Twitter: "NEW ANALYSIS: Image purporting to be #KyleRittenhouse aiming his rifle, is a single frame still. Algorithmically introduced artifacts & pixelation aside, the image is simply NOT showing what the DA claims it does. Kyle is not lefty Kyle’s support hand exists prior to his entry https://t.co/UpGPa3g8ZZ" / Twitter

A recording of the ACTUAL incident carries more weight then eye witnesses. If Rosenbaum grabbed the gun muzzle the video would have shown it.

Exactly what do you think he was trying to do? He was grabbing for the gun.

You can't shoot him your honor. He was trying to play a game with him.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Apparently the Supreme Court ruled in 1895 that there is a presumption of innocence.

"Presumption of Innocence' is a legal tennet. It does not mean the accused did not do whatever.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

You ignore that the sex offender and the 2 vigilantes have a worse background. Why? Gaige even got his 2nd DUI before the trial.

So, it's OK to execute people on the street for things they did in their past?

 

[sportage]

Well.... when all hope for justice seems lost, look to the jury.
The jury has not appeared on camera ONCE. The jury won't be appearing on Dancing With The Stars. This may be the judge's 15 minutes of fame and the kids 15 minutes of fame, but the jury "hopefully" is paying full attention to THE FACTS. Crossed fingers for THE JURY.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Good stuff *circa 1968

"So your brother's bound and gagged and they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Chicago just to sing
In a land that's known as freedom how can such a thing be fair
Won't you please come to Chicago for the help that we can bring

We can change the world
Rearrange the world
It's dying
To get better

Politicians sit yourselves down there's nothing for you here
Won't you please come to Chicago for a ride
Don't ask Jack to help you 'cause he'll turn the other ear
Won't you please come to Chicago or else join the other side

(We can change the world)
Yes we can change the world
(Rearrange the world)
Rearrange the world

(It's dying)
If you believe in justice
(It's dying)
If you believe in freedom
(It's dying)
Let a man live his own life
(It's dying)
Rules and regulations who needs them
Open up the door

Somehow people must be free I hope the day comes soon
Won't you please come to Chicago show your face
From the bottom of the ocean to the mountains of the moon
Won't you please come to Chicago no one else can take your place

(We can change the world)
Yes we can change the world
(Rearrange the world)
Rearrange the world

(It's dying)
If you believe in justice
(It's dying)
If you believe in freedom
(It's dying)
Let a man live his own life
(It's dying)
Rules and regulations who needs them
Open up the door"

The irony of a shitbag fascist like you using CSN&Y as a reference in any way is beyond laughable.

 

[Vic]

So, it's OK to execute people on the street for things they did in their past?

Weird how the innocence until proven guilty that they demand for Rittenhouse doesn't apply to the people he killed.

 

[Maxima1]

So, it's OK to execute people on the street for things they did in their past?

The point was about who was in the wrong. So many people on here derive bullshit conclusions like: 1. He had gloves so he must have wanted to murder people 2. He lied so he must have wanted to murder people 3. He was carrying illegally so he must have wanted to murder people. 4. He was driving illegal so he must have wanted to murder people Etc. etc.

Yet nobody will do the same for the 3 "victims". They believe their actions could only be good, yet it's obvious that Rosenbaum instigated the first one; Gaige had a gun illegally so according to the common logic here, he must have had bad motive (which he actually did); and Huber was reacting to a shooting incident as if it was an active shooter (it wasn't; evidence heavily weighted to NOT attack but being the false imprisonment convict he was, he died an hero.).

 

[Vic]

The point was about who was in the wrong. So many people on here derive bullshit conclusions like: 1. He had gloves so he must have wanted to murder people 2. He lied so he must have wanted to murder people 3. He was carrying illegally so he must have wanted to murder people. 4. He was driving illegal so he must have wanted to murder people Etc. etc.

Yet nobody will do the same for the 3 "victims". They believe their actions could only be good, yet it's obvious that Rosenbaum instigated the first one; Gaige had a gun illegally so according to the common logic here, he must have had bad motive (which he actually did); and Huber was reacting to a shooting incident as if it was an active shooter (it wasn't; evidence heavily weighted to NOT attack but being the false imprisonment convict he was, he died an hero.).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the clowns saying it was ok to murder a guy watching TV and eating ice cream in his own living room using similar logic?

 

[dank69]

The point was about who was in the wrong. So many people on here derive bullshit conclusions like: 1. He had gloves so he must have wanted to murder people 2. He lied so he must have wanted to murder people 3. He was carrying illegally so he must have wanted to murder people. 4. He was driving illegal so he must have wanted to murder people Etc. etc.

Yet nobody will do the same for the 3 "victims". They believe their actions could only be good, yet it's obvious that Rosenbaum instigated the first one; Gaige had a gun illegally so according to the common logic here, he must have had bad motive (which he actually did); and Huber was reacting to a shooting incident as if it was an active shooter (it wasn't; evidence heavily weighted to NOT attack but being the false imprisonment convict he was, he died an hero.).

You have another plausible explanation for why he drove for hours across a state line and illegally obtained a rifle in order to get in the middle of a riot if it wasn't for the chance to kill someone?

 

[ch33zw1z]

You have another plausible explanation for why he drove for hours across a state line and illegally obtained a rifle in order to get in the middle of a riot if it wasn't for the chance to kill someone?

Just a good kid illegally carrying his killing machine to guard cars.

 

[dank69]

Just a good kid illegally carrying his killing machine to guard cars.

I'm sure Maxima has convinced himself that KR just wanted to play EMT but EMTs don't have rifles as part of their life-saving kit.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The point was about who was in the wrong.

The Punk From Illinois.

 

[ivwshane]

No, Rosenbaum was the aggressor when earlier in the night he made threats to kill KR and other people....... they are on record.

Did he maybe that’s to specifically kill KR? Is there evidence of this?

So what you are saying is that if someone says something threatening to you in a prior interaction, you have every right to kill that person if they approach you?

That’s interesting. What law gives one that right? Is there some sort of time frame where all this must occur? Like an hour? A day? Several months or years ago?

Like if someone threatened to kill children and immigrants several years ago, do immigrants or children now have the right to kill that person if they are approached by said person (of course assuming they were aware of such threats)?

 

[Jaskalas]

Are you saying he didn't shoot 3 people?

Self defense is the correct thing to do, sometimes that requires shooting.
A violent recuperation of the assailants chasing down and assaulting the victim.

I am having a very hard time with the people who oppose recognizing this event for what it was. Because we have absolute clear cut evidence. Beyond ANY doubt. There is no room for interpretation, for what we see with our own eyes. Multiple videos played again and again if necessary. For what witnesses describe. It all fits together for self defense. Yet there you stand, and for your credit you are not alone. It is a group thing.

That an entire political party can rally themselves behind a brazen public lynching, this day, in 2021....

That is a difference I cannot tolerate. My countrymen want to kill a teen, and when they fail... they knowingly lie before a Court to try and finish the job for their fellows. To take a life. For daring to survive a rioting mob trying to lynch him. That elicits a rage and words serve no purpose here, other than to express the tip of the iceberg for what your actions mean. The gap between us is insurmountable if you cannot watch the videos and correctly tell us who attacked whom.

 

[ivwshane]

A "potential active shooter" ? So you think it's a good idea to try to disarm every armed person whether they are legal or not ? How does that go over with the police officers you try to disarm as "potential active shooters"

Lol what? Whether something is a good idea is immaterial to whether someone has the right to protect themselves or other people if they feel there is an eminent deadly threat. Or do you disagree with that as well?

 

[Maxima1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the clowns saying it was ok to murder a guy watching TV and eating ice cream in his own living room using similar logic?

Where did I say it was okay? I just said that there was reasonable doubt in that she genuinely thought it was her place. I noticed Kyle didn't make the same mistake she did by saying using deadly force means, "I want you dead", haha.

You have another plausible explanation for why he drove for hours across a state line and illegally obtained a rifle in order to get in the middle of a riot if it wasn't for the chance to kill someone?

Based off of that quote, how is this even remotely close to >=95% certainty with that information? What is wrong with you?

He had more reason than a lot of the "militia". The person who had bad intent wanted to be a nurse? Was giving first aid to the opposing side? Combative proud boys are only concerned with the property protection.

If he wanted to kill someone, why does the videos of that night show him trying to avoid conflict? The closest Binger got was yellow pants, but in reality it's the exact opposite of what he tried showing. It's obvious Kyle was being sarcastic (in a way that actually supports that he wants to avoid conflict), and yellow pants himself motions with the rifle pointed down.

I'm sure Maxima has convinced himself that KR just wanted to play EMT but EMTs don't have rifles as part of their life-saving kit.

So Gaige had bad motive? He was carrying the gun illegally. Why don't you apply the same logic to the "victims"?

 

[ivwshane]

It depends on the circumstances. Since i don't threaten and try to intimidate kids, don't set arson fires and don't have a criminal police record, my experience would differ from the late Rosenbaum.

So people who commit crimes are allowed to be killed by non police officers now?

I’m learning so much from you! Tell me what the law is that gives one the right to deny Justice to those who commit criminal acts.

 

[dank69]

Self defense is the correct thing to do, sometimes that requires shooting.
A violent recuperation of the assailants chasing down and assaulting the victim.

I am having a very hard time with the people who oppose recognizing this event for what it was. Because we have absolute clear cut evidence. Beyond ANY doubt. There is no room for interpretation, for what we see with our own eyes. Multiple videos played again and again if necessary. For what witnesses describe. It all fits together for self defense. Yet there you stand, and for your credit you are not alone. It is a group thing.

That an entire political party can rally themselves behind a brazen public lynching, this day, in 2021....

That is a difference I cannot tolerate. My countrymen want to kill a teen, and when they fail... they knowingly lie before a Court to try and finish the job for their fellows. To take a life. For daring to survive a rioting mob trying to lynch him. That elicits a rage and words serve no purpose here, other than to express the tip of the iceberg for what your actions mean. The gap between us is insurmountable if you cannot watch the videos and correctly tell us who attacked whom.

Imagine thinking a shoplifter has the right to defend himself during the commission of his crime. That's how fucked up your line of thinking is. KR was breaking the law 100% of the time he was carrying that rifle around.

 

[ivwshane]

So, it's OK to execute people on the street for things they did in their past?

Yeah, I think character assasination means something different to them.

 

[dank69]

Where did I say it was okay? I just said that there was reasonable doubt in that she genuinely thought it was her place. I noticed Kyle didn't make the same mistake she did by saying using deadly force means, "I want you dead", haha.



Based off of that quote, how is this even remotely close to >=95% certainty with that information? What is wrong with you?

He had more reason than a lot of the "militia". The person who had bad intent wanted to be a nurse? Was giving first aid to the opposing side? Combative proud boys are only concerned with the property protection.

If he wanted to kill someone, why does the videos of that night show him trying to avoid conflict? The closest Binger got was yellow pants, but in reality it's the exact opposite of what he tried showing. It's obvious Kyle was being sarcastic (in a way that actually supports that he wants to avoid conflict), and yellow pants himself motions with the rifle pointed down.



So Gaige had bad motive? He was carrying the gun illegally. Why don't you apply the same logic to the "victims"?

Gaige's motive has nothing to do with Kyle's motive. If Gaige was on trial for carrying a weapon illegally and that resulted in a few deaths I certainly wouldn't be defending him. So why the fuck are you defending Kyle?

 

[Maxima1]

Gaige's motive has nothing to do with Kyle's motive. If Gaige was on trial for carrying a weapon illegally and that resulted in a few deaths I certainly wouldn't be defending him. So why the fuck are you defending Kyle?

Even Ana Kasparian said he had a solid case. lol Kyle shouldn't be on trial. This is purely political, genius. The head DA didn't even want it. There is more reason for Gaige to be on there because his "explanation" is such poor lying.

Edit: And obviously he's getting charged for vaporizing the bicep, so obviously Gaige's motive matters.

COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

 

[Vic]

Where did I say it was okay? I just said that there was reasonable doubt in that she genuinely thought it was her place. I noticed Kyle didn't make the same mistake she did by saying using deadly force means, "I want you dead", haha.

Which was dumb, because believing you're in your own apartment is no defense for shooting and killing the lawful occupant. As the outcome of that case proved.

However, my point was that you asking people to afford Rittenhouse the reasonable doubt that, to my knowledge, you have never afforded to any black victim of police brutality discussed here. Or even to Rittenhouse's own victims.

 

[soundforbjt]

Self defense is the correct thing to do, sometimes that requires shooting.
A violent recuperation of the assailants chasing down and assaulting the victim.

I am having a very hard time with the people who oppose recognizing this event for what it was. Because we have absolute clear cut evidence. Beyond ANY doubt. There is no room for interpretation, for what we see with our own eyes. Multiple videos played again and again if necessary. For what witnesses describe. It all fits together for self defense. Yet there you stand, and for your credit you are not alone. It is a group thing.

That an entire political party can rally themselves behind a brazen public lynching, this day, in 2021....

That is a difference I cannot tolerate. My countrymen want to kill a teen, and when they fail... they knowingly lie before a Court to try and finish the job for their fellows. To take a life. For daring to survive a rioting mob trying to lynch him. That elicits a rage and words serve no purpose here, other than to express the tip of the iceberg for what your actions mean. The gap between us is insurmountable if you cannot watch the videos and correctly tell us who attacked whom.

How exactly did Rosenbaum assault KR? Words? Running towards him?

 

[dank69]

Even Ana Kasparian said he had a solid case. lol Kyle shouldn't be on trial. This is purely political, genius. The head DA didn't even want it. There is more reason for Gaige to be on there because his "explanation" is such poor lying.

Edit: And obviously he's getting charged for vaporizing the bicep, so obviously Gaige's motive matters.

COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

Sure, KR shouldn't be on trial when people are dead as a direct result of his choice to break the law that night. If he didn't break the law that night those people would have still been alive. If he didn't choose to break the law that night he would have never been in a position where he had to "defend himself."