Rittenhouse trial to start soon, Judge is laying out rules.

[rommelrommel]

Does someone grabbing a gun away from someone automatically mean the person with the gun has the right to shoot them? So basically a person with a gun is always right? Is that the takeaway you were after?

It pretty much does, yes. If a person decides to attempt to disarm someone that will provide justification to use the gun in self defence. Add in death threats and the armed person being chased and it’s a pretty good case.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

It pretty much does, yes. If a person decides to attempt to disarm someone that will provide justification to use the gun in self defence.

So, you walk in on a bank robbery and surprising the robber feel you should try to disarm him. It's OK for him to shoot you, right?

 

[soundforbjt]

Just saw an attorney on Fox News (shock) that actually felt like I do about the case, I couldn’t believe the host didn’t try to cut him off or argue with him. Of course it’s Sunday morning and not prime time.

 

[rommelrommel]

So, you walk in on a bank robbery and surprising the robber feel you should try to disarm him. It's OK for him to shoot you, right?

Are you really this dumb, or is it an act?

 

[ivwshane]

Are you really this dumb, or is it an act?

Funny, we are thinking the same thing about you.

Using your fucked up logic only people with guns can defend themselves. Everyone else? Well I guess the dead aren’t really entitled to anything.

 

[rommelrommel]

Funny, we are thinking the same thing about you.

Using your fucked up logic only people with guns can defend themselves. Everyone else? Well I guess the dead aren’t really entitled to anything.

My “fucked up logic” is what the law dictates and not what you might wish it to be. KR wasn’t committing armed robbery, or any other violence until Rosenbaum threatened him, chased him, and attempted to disarm him. Rosenbaum unfortunately chose to introduce violence into the situation.

 

[soundforbjt]

My “fucked up logic” is what the law dictates and not what you might wish it to be. KR wasn’t committing armed robbery, or any other violence until Rosenbaum threatened him, chased him, and attempted to disarm him. Rosenbaum unfortunately chose to introduce violence into the situation.

What about after Kyle committed what people at the time could easily construe as a violent act?

 

[rommelrommel]

What about after Kyle committed what people at the time could easily construe as a violent act?

I agree it gets much muddier after Rosenbaum gets shot.

 

[soundforbjt]

I agree it gets much muddier after Rosenbaum gets shot.

Exactly, people assume he’s an active shooter and now they are attempting to stop the threat. Maybe not a wise choice, but understandable.

 

[soundforbjt]

There’s a lot of background on Kyle I’d like to know. Why’d he dropped out of school, was he bullied a lot, etc.

 

[kage69]

Grosskreutz pointing a pistol at Rittenhouse is an imminent threat, but Rittenhouse pointing an AR-15 at Grosskreutz and others is not an imminent threat.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Funny how the usual respect and praise given to those who rush in to interfere with or stop the active shooter doesn't apply here, no? Just imagine how different the tune would be were Kyle black, or connected to antifa instead of the Proud Boys.

 

[dlerious]

Strange how you guys are okay with extra judicial execution of liberals for literally any petty crime but default to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law for conservatives no matter how severe the charges.

What does any of this have to do with liberals and conservatives?

 

[cytg111]

What does any of this have to do with liberals and conservatives?

Everything left of center vs. Trumpism ... better? - and then there's "conservatives" that refuse to acknowledge the cluster fuck they're standing in .

 

[dlerious]

Everything left of center vs. Trumpism ... better? - and then there's "conservatives" that refuse to acknowledge the cluster fuck they're standing in .

No it's not better. I made my comments based on what I've read or seen and my limited non-lawyer understanding, not what some political group believes.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You've never acknowledged any right-wing riot before, not even the nazis at Charlottesville, so why should we expect that to change?

Wrong again, the Jan. 6th riot in DC was a right wing riot.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The irony of a shitbag fascist like you using CSN&Y as a reference in any way is beyond laughable.

It's not my fault you're too stupid to understand the reference.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Did he maybe that’s to specifically kill KR? Is there evidence of this?

So what you are saying is that if someone says something threatening to you in a prior interaction, you have every right to kill that person if they approach you?

That’s interesting. What law gives one that right? Is there some sort of time frame where all this must occur? Like an hour? A day? Several months or years ago?

Like if someone threatened to kill children and immigrants several years ago, do immigrants or children now have the right to kill that person if they are approached by said person (of course assuming they were aware of such threats)?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4.The right to defend yourself when you believe your life is in immediate danger.
5. Answered
6.No, unless it's a believable threat and they are in actual danger.
7. No made up bullshit applies.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It's not my fault you're too stupid to understand the reference.

Where did I say I didn't understand it?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The guy created the situation. I can't go over to my neighbors house, shove him a bunch of times and then shoot him when he finally swings and claim self defense. This situation is pretty much exactly the same.

Bullshit. A 1st degree premeditated stupid comment.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Grosskreutz pointing a pistol at Rittenhouse is an imminent threat, but Rittenhouse pointing an AR-15 at Grosskreutz and others is not an imminent threat.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Funny how the usual respect and praise given to those who rush in to interfere with or stop the active shooter doesn't apply here, no? Just imagine how different the tune would be were Kyle black, or connected to antifa instead of the Proud Boys.

Or had gross just pulled the trigger. All of a sudden illegal firearms are bad again.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No action at the car dealership, so gotta patrol the streets instead.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Someone with a gun can also create an easily reasonable belief of bodily harm for someone not with a gun.

I mean if we take a poll of what people fear most, do you think the majority would fear someone with a gun or someone who made threats to someone with a gun?

This is a trial by law, it's not a poll. How hard can it be for you lefties?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Where did I say I didn't understand it?

It was obvious.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Strange how you guys are okay with extra judicial execution of liberals for literally any petty crime but default to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law for conservatives no matter how severe the charges.

Strange how you and other lefties in here want to lynch Rittenhouse and you're just pissed you can't get a hand on the rope.

 

[cytg111]

Bullshit. A 1st degree premeditated stupid comment.

Ok Brandon.